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02-06-2013, 02:35 PM
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I agree. And the Leafs aren't looking to move Kulemin for a B prospect and a pick. If they were he'd be gone by now.

Kulemin is part of the Leafs core moving forward so they have no reason to unload him.

Thus, I can't see a deal being made.
and he is the lone Ranger Pittsburgh would and should have any interest in getting. Maatta isn't a "B" prospect though. Are 2012 first rounders considered a "B" prospect unless their name is Yakupov, Murray, Reinhart, Galchenyuk, or Reilly?

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02-06-2013, 02:41 PM
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any interest in David Jones?

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I agree. And the Leafs aren't looking to move Kulemin for a B prospect and a pick. If they were he'd be gone by now.

Kulemin is part of the Leafs core moving forward so they have no reason to unload him.

Thus, I can't see a deal being made.
If I'm the Leafs, I stockpile 1st round picks and let the kids play this season.

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02-06-2013, 02:50 PM
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any interest in David Jones?
Have to admit, I don't know much about him except he played at Dartmouth and has one or two 20-goal seasons in his career. If he is fast enough to hang with SID and can bring any other assets to the table, he would be an option. We don't need a one-dimensional player.

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If I'm the Leafs, I stockpile 1st round picks and let the kids play this season.
Some days I think the same thing - Other days I want them to try to keep things intact.

The best way to go would be to stockpile.

If we can get away with 3 first rounders. 1 - (top 5) and 2 (25-30) ...it's quite the success for a shortened season.

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Some days I think the same thing - Other days I want them to try to keep things intact.

The best way to go would be to stockpile.

If we can get away with 3 first rounders. 1 - (top 5) and 2 (25-30) ...it's quite the success for a shortened season.

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i would consider that, but probably say no because of the first round pick. not that Kulemin isn't worth that, just that i don't want to give up a 1st in a deep draft.

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Stempniak for a 2nd

St Louis isn't going to trade Stewart unless its for a clear upgrade. I can't see them being very interested in Niskanen. While Despres may be more valuable in the future, I don't think they're a better team this year and they're looking to contend now.

Toronto is highly unlikely to trade arguably their most valuable forward for another d prospect. The Leafs lack high end prospects, specifically at the centre ice position.. I can't see them trading Kulemin for a B level defense prospect and a 2nd. If they trade Kulemin it would likely be in a package for an established top 6 centreman, or a potential number one centre. Kulemin would be traded for a need, not to get equal value.
Stempniak for a 2013 2nd makes a lot of sense

He may not be the star winger the Pens are looking for but is fairly fast and semi sneaky with a decent shot, will benefit greatly playing with Sid or Malkin, has had a pretty good start to the season (7 games, 2 goals, 3 assists & +3), only has 1 year left on his contract after this season with a pretty small cap hit of $2.5M and the Pens won't have to give up any of their prospects or current roster players to get him and losing a 2nd round pick won't be the end of the world for the Pens as their prospect pool is pretty decent.

Flames get a 2nd round pick in this draft which is good since it is apparently a better draft and they don't have a 2nd round pick as of now as per usual and the Flames have so many wingers and winger prospects losing Stempniak won't be the end of the world. Continue to build that prospect pool Calgary - the drafting has been better recently.

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and he is the lone Ranger Pittsburgh would and should have any interest in getting. Maatta isn't a "B" prospect though. Are 2012 first rounders considered a "B" prospect unless their name is Yakupov, Murray, Reinhart, Galchenyuk, or Reilly?
Well what ever you call a late first isn't the right value is what I mean. Leafs have a bunch of late first - early second picks stocked up on their blue line. They don't have many 230lbs wingers who play a strong two way game.

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Some days I think the same thing - Other days I want them to try to keep things intact.

The best way to go would be to stockpile.

If we can get away with 3 first rounders. 1 - (top 5) and 2 (25-30) ...it's quite the success for a shortened season.

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We like our Americans.
I'd pass on that too. Penguins are just are a poor match for the Leafs.

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Well what ever you call a late first isn't the right value is what I mean. Leafs have a bunch of late first - early second picks stocked up on their blue line. They don't have many 230lbs wingers who play a strong two way game.
We don't have many 230lbs wingers either.

2013 NHL Draft is very strong ... good late value. So, Laughton (20th) and Matteau (29) are B prospects, even though they made their teams out of camp? I guess Joe Morrow is a B prospect and everyone wants him. Simone Despres, a kid people still refer to as a prospect was drafted with the last pick of the first round in 2009, so ... you get my point? It's how they develop ... not exactly where they are drafted. Patrick Stefan was a grade A bonafide prospect that we never heard from.


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No one believes me when I say top 6 wingers are hard to find. There just isn't a lot of them out there so teams hold onto them.

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We don't have many 230lbs wingers either.

2013 NHL Draft is very strong ... good late value. So, Laughton (20th) and Matteau (29) are B prospects, even though they made their teams out of camp? I guess Joe Morrow is a B prospect and everyone wants him. Simone Despres, a kid people still refer to as a prospect was drafted with the last pick of the first round in 2009, so ... you get my point? It's how they develop ... not exactly where they are drafted. Patrick Stefan was a grade A bonafide prospect that we never heard from.
Well that's my point.

I totally agree that it's their development that means more then their draft position in a vacuum - Kulemin is a 2/44 pick himself, but I don't really believe that a late 25-30 first round pick - even in a strong draft - is a lock for a player as good as Kulemin... not to mention many that play his game at his size which is exactly why he's valued so high. What are the odds? 60%? Not even? Why would the Leafs take that chance? They already have Kulemin so they can just keep him.

If we are talking already drafted prospects and the Leafs are looking to move Kulemin then the Leafs are looking for size, grit, and talent in the center position. Something that Pittsburgh doesn't really have.

Hence, bad trading partners.

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If I'm the Leafs, I stockpile 1st round picks and let the kids play this season.
Well a 2nd was offered, sooo.

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Well a 2nd was offered, sooo.
The package offered is worth more than a 1st. I'd give up a 1st+ for him. But I'd imagine getting someone closer to making an impact for your team might be more appealing.

Moving Phaneuf and Kessel for 1sts+ is what I was talking about.

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i would think if calgary is out of it, you could get a cammy or iginla for a first and one of your can't miss D prospects

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i would think if calgary is out of it, you could get a cammy or iginla for a first and one of your can't miss D prospects

Stop ... why in the hell would Pittsburgh want Cammy? He is making 6 million and isn't productive anymore. This makes no sense. Pittsburgh should entertain this idea at all with the addition of Cammy. Remember, there is a cap and its coming down.


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i would think if calgary is out of it, you could get a cammy or iginla for a first and one of your can't miss D prospects
Iginla I would deff do smething like 1st, Maata for Iginla

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NO DEAL ! Despres is going to be a #1 d-man some where and I would rather it be in a Penguin uniform HE HAS ALL THE SIZE AND TOOLS

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NO DEAL ! Despres is going to be a #1 d-man some where and I would rather it be in a Penguin uniform HE HAS ALL THE SIZE AND TOOLS
He might be a top pairing guy... but I don't think he has the tools to be a PPQB (which is part of what most consider a #1 guy to need - and yes this means there isn't that many #1 guys in the NHL).

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Penner for Tangradi + 4th

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Pens have absolutely no use for Penner. That would be a wasted space on the roster.

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He might be a top pairing guy... but I don't think he has the tools to be a PPQB (which is part of what most consider a #1 guy to need - and yes this means there isn't that many #1 guys in the NHL).
Of course you don't think he has the tools ... you want to trade him to Minnesota to a fourth line player.

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If I'm the Leafs, I stockpile 1st round picks and let the kids play this season.
They are the second youngest in the league. Kulemin is 26. Since not all, in fact about 50% of first round picks turn out -- why would you trade your young NHL'er only one season removed from 30 goals for a 50/50 chance of getting a similar player.

HF overvalues first round picks so much. Sure the top 8-10 picks have serious value but we are talking 25-30 with Pittsburg and a likely average NHL player. Not wise.

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If I'm the Leafs, I'm rebuilding. Kulemin is a good player and I like him, so if he's a part of our core going forward, I'm fine with it, but if we can trade him for Pouliot, Tangradi and a 3rd round pick in 2013 (A deal that some Penguins fans like) I'd do the deal for sure.

Adding Pouliot to our already young core of D prospects would be very good, hoping that Tangradi can rebound, and a decent pick is a very deep draft. A deal that I,d like.

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Despres is going absolutely nowhere, haha. He's a beast.

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Despres is going absolutely nowhere, haha. He's a beast.
I'm not sure why people can't get that through their small heads. Agree, he is staying put.

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