I simply do not feel comfortable will Scrivens in net. It might be his weird stance (what is up with that glove hand?) or his scrambly nature, I am just not feeling him. However, I have not written this guy off just yet.
Now with that said, it takes more talent to be a quality NHL backup then most will like to admit. You have to be committed and focused since you could go weeks without playing. Is Scrivens, a guy who is used to being the goto on the Marlies, capable of that? It's two early to tell.
For the Leafs there is no doubt in my mind that Reimer is our number 1. He's proven in past, last year (before the injury) and early this year that he is a capable starter. Elite? No but capable.
Now who would I see has a good backup if Scrivens faulters in the role. Here are some that are either free agents or on other teams (that may or may not even trade them):
Marty Biron (NYR) - Not a great starter, but a very good backup
*Johan Hedberg (NJD) - IMO probably the best and most reliable backup in the NHL.
Dwayne Roloson (FA) - Has spent time as both a starter and backup, had a disasterous season last year but has always been a consistant performer.
*I haven't bothered to put Tomas Vokoun or Cory Schneider because I consider both to be either untouchable (for a reasonable price at least) or simply a starter that has taken a back seat.
Sievens is certainly not a dependable reliable backup NHL goaltender at this point. I was nervous every time Sievens had to face a shot in yesterday's game.
His rebound control is non existent, throw a puck on net and a juicy rebound will be sitting in the slot. Combine this with very suspect and awkward glove positioning, a five hole the size of Alaska, and constantly fighting the puck and you have AHL fodder.
Hopefully with time Sievens can turn into Scrivens, but there is limited upside (backup goalie max) IMHO.
Why does Ben Scrivens leave his net? On top of all his terrible techniques is a guy who can not handle the puck at all. But seems to love to handle the puck. He has tripped behind his own net, he turns the puck over, he bobbles the puck. He will never be an NHL starter. He got lucky yesterday, several pucks went through him and didnt go in. Last night, he was awful. He scrambles and over plays everything.
It's going to take awhile for Scrivens to get comfortable in the NHL. He has his moments but overall, I don't get the feeling he'll let in bad goals at innocuous plays like Gus did.
When Gus was in net, every time a winger came into our zone in a one and one situation, I was afraid we'd get scored on. It got to be that bad.
Scrivvy may appear shaky at times but he hasn't been bad except the one game (all goalies get pulled) and is usually in good position (puck handling excluded).
Scrivens has been exactly what i expected/hoped he would be so far, he can be relied on to give you a chance to win to a fair extent. Although Riemer almost seems nervous in net lately, like overplaying pucks and such.
Gus did let in soft goals but he backed it up by 30-40 save performance. If i recall correctly Gus had the Leafs in a playoffs spot. Than playoff spot was lost by Reimer returning from his injury?
Gus did let in soft goals but he backed it up by 30-40 save performance. If i recall correctly Gus had the Leafs in a playoffs spot. Than playoff spot was lost by Reimer returning from his injury?
I think it was also due to the entire team collapse and wilson doing the goalie juggling act.
Gus was better, and he hasn't let in soft goals???
Context is everything. He is referring to Scrivens with that question.
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Who said Gus never let in bad goals, my point is this guy has let in his share and on a per capita basis he's right up there!
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umm hello you did!!!!unless soft and bad are not the same.keep on back tracking bud
See above, he never suggested Gus didn't let in weak goals and he isn't backtracking.
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Sievens is certainly not a dependable reliable backup NHL goaltender at this point. I was nervous every time Sievens had to face a shot in yesterday's game.
His rebound control is non existent, throw a puck on net and a juicy rebound will be sitting in the slot. Combine this with very suspect and awkward glove positioning, a five hole the size of Alaska, and constantly fighting the puck and you have AHL fodder.
Hopefully with time Sievens can turn into Scrivens, but there is limited upside (backup goalie max) IMHO.
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Who is this sievens you speak of??
Is that sarcasm or are you actually missing his sarcasm???
As much as I am glad he is gone, I think I would be marginally more comfortable with Gus in net than Scrivens, but maybe only because he is a better known commodity.
The problem is that for Scrivens to get more comfortable he would need to play more. Reimer is obviously the better goalie by a fair measure though, so I cannot see Scrivens getting more than 30% of the workload. If we are remotely in the play-off hunt, Reimer will play even more.
I'd prefer a back up even at the tail end of his career over Scrivens or one of the Marlies.
The guy got a win, why must we pound our young goalies here until their run out of town, Justin and Gus come to mind, he had a good season in the AHL, he's young, take the win and be happy. Or should we trade our future for a good veteren. IMO no, go with the kids, let the cards fall where they may. I think it will be fun.
I think he's doing decent as a backup. Just wish he would stop diving for pucks around the side of the net; he just doesn't seem to recover quick enough to justify the risk of taking himself out of position.
The guy got a win, why must we pound our young goalies here until their run out of town, Justin and Gus come to mind, he had a good season in the AHL, he's young, take the win and be happy. Or should we trade our future for a good veteren. IMO no, go with the kids, let the cards fall where they may. I think it will be fun.
This is my problem sometimes, we just say "ya but we won" and ignore what was a poor performance. Kessel hasn't scored but I like his game, same with saying our win had nothing to do with flopposaurus in net. Can't count how many times he had no idea where puck was and I seriously can't remember the last Leafs netminder with such abysmal rebound control, it has become quite striking. I hope he improves, but I'll be surprised and I have a feeling this guy is going to bite us in the azz.
