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Quebec City Part VII: Si J'avais les ailes d'un ange

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02-05-2013, 05:19 PM
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And, what’s your point?

I was thinking more like David Deharnais or Jonathan Audy-Marchessault. They weren’t drafted at all, you know. Even if they end up in the AHL, I hope the new Nordiques will take chance on those kinds of player, because they do speak French and it's free. I’m not talking about first round pick, but you know, training camp invitation.
Desharnais was small and in the Q, I'm not surprised he wasn't drafted, similar for Audy-Marchessault. Offensive league that generally doesn't have players and especially defenseman of 6'4" and higher the way the WHL does

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Guys,

First, we don't have a club yet.

Second, whathever we will discuss here will have zero impact.

Let's just say it'd be great to have frenchies and its obvious the Nords 2 will keep an eye on the Q. Let's trust those who will take care of that.

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are things looking up enough for QC to have jersey conversations or is it more a what if type thing?


I'd love to see the yotes move to QC. move the jets to the west. and boom. I'm a happy guy. But I am totally lost in all the legal talks and such...

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There is no jersey discusion. Anything other than the resurrection of the 94-95 set is outright blasphemy.

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There is no jersey discusion. Anything other than the resurrection of the 94-95 set is outright blasphemy.


That one? Pretty hot. A powder blue, more towards what Atlanta used to use, would be great. Updated for the edge template, I think it'd look amazing. I really, really hope QC doesn't fall into the trap of issuing a new logo for the sake of some quick money. Jets jerseys are very bland, considering what they used to wear.

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Almost looks purple. Also, that logo is way too big for the edge jerseys.

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To make a small break about drafts and uniforms.

Today's edition of Le Soleil informs us that today is the date the city will officially unveil which enterprise got the steel frame contract for the new arena.

It is a big step toward because once that contract done, first work can start as early as March and it will make the structure start rising as soon as September.

In the same newspaper, there is a list of companies that have HQ in the province and their realizations so far.

ADF Group (Terrebonne, QC, near MTL)
Experience : World Trade Center, Detroit Lions stadium, Baltimore Ravens stadium.

Supermétal (Lévis, Qc - across the river from Qc)
Experience : Boston University sports complex, Yale University medical faculty, Boston Fenway Park upgrade, Shell Scotford rafinery

Canam Group (St-Georges de Beauce, Qc - About an hour and half from Qc)
Experience : Meadowslands Stadium USA, Gillette Stadium (Patriots), New Yankee Stadium, a total of about 50 stadiums and sport complexes across USA and Canada

Beauce-Atlas (Ste-Marie de Beauce, Qc - About an hour from Qc)
Experience : Mostly big scale commercial buildings, Worcester, Mass, courthouse.

There are probably other international candidates but those are the big four local ones. The overall project is rumored to be $40M or 10% of the overall construction cost.


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Cant wait to see the structure go up.

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ADF got the contract.

The structure is going up next Fall :-)

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Nice to see they have built part of the new Freedom tower in NYC.

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The company that won the bid: http://www.adfgroup.com/en/home.html

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ADF got the contract.

The structure is going up next Fall :-)
Current information says they got it at $46,6M. City estimates were at $48M, so that's pretty good for keeping the project at the required $400M.

2nd lowest price was $50,9M by Canam and 3rd lowest at $56,7M by Proco.

The last step in this part of contract is to make sure that ADF's submission responds to required aspects of the contract.

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Didn't Canam also make the Consol Energy Center?

Also I am unsure if Habs would want to block the Nordiques return or try hard to do so. A lot of Montreal fans wants the rivalry back and there are Habs fans that used to be Nordiques fans that want to become Nords fans again when they return (even some people living in Montreal like the Nordiques). Trying hard to block the deal could backfire against them, I think, like a boycott or something, although I am unsure if it would be enough to hurt their ticket sales. In 1979 some cities in Canada boycotted Molson products when the Habs tried to block the Nords/Jets/Oilers and eventually they changed their mind due to dropping sales, so I could very well see this happen with Bell and RDS subscribers cancelling their TV/phone/internet plans and switching to Videotron or something.


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Cant wait to see the structure go up.
Should be one fine erection!

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Didn't Canam also make the Consol Energy Center?

Also I am unsure if Habs would want to block the Nordiques return or try hard to do so. A lot of Montreal fans wants the rivalry back and there are Habs fans that used to be Nordiques fans that want to become Nords fans again when they return (even some people living in Montreal like the Nordiques). Trying hard to block the deal could backfire against them, I think, like a boycott or something, although I am unsure if it would be enough to hurt their ticket sales. In 1979 some cities in Canada boycotted Molson products when the Habs tried to block the Nords/Jets/Oilers and eventually they changed their mind due to dropping sales, so I could very well see this happen with Bell and RDS subscribers cancelling their TV/phone/internet plans and switching to Videotron or something.
How could they block this?

A 2/3 vote is all we need.

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Next Canadian city to get an NHL team? Look at the list

Cities population on july 1st 2012

Toronto..............5 941,5
Montréal........... 3 957,7
Vancouver....... 2 463,7
Calgary..............1 309,2
Ottawa-Gatineau..1 273,3
Edmonton............1 230,1
Winnipeg................778,4
Québec..................769,6
Hamilton................756,6

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Well

Here's the 94-95 Nordiques lineup (with their stats ;-)

19 Joe Sakic 1969-07-07 25 C 47 19 43 62 30 7 6 4 1 5 0
21 Peter Forsberg 1973-07-20 21 C 47 15 35 50 16 17 6 2 4 6 4
11 Owen Nolan 1972-02-12 22 R 46 30 19 49 46 21 6 2 3 5 6
48 Scott Young 1967-10-01 26 R 48 18 21 39 14 9 6 3 3 6 2
9 Mike Ricci 1971-10-27 22 C 48 15 21 36 40 5 6 1 3 4 8
17 Wendel Clark 1966-10-25 27 L 37 12 18 30 45 -1 6 1 2 3 6
13 Valeri Kamensky 1966-04-18 28 L 40 10 20 30 22 3 2 1 0 1 0
28 Bob Bassen 1965-05-06 29 C 47 12 15 27 33 14 5 2 4 6 0
51 Andrei Kovalenko 1970-06-07 24 R 45 14 10 24 31 -4 6 0 1 1 2
4 Uwe Krupp 1965-06-24 29 D 44 6 17 23 20 14 5 0 2 2 2
18 Adam Deadmarsh 1975-05-10 19 R 48 9 8 17 56 16 6 0 1 1 0
7 Curtis Leschyshyn 1969-09-21 24 D 44 2 13 15 20 29 3 0 1 1 4
2 Sylvain Lefebvre 1967-10-14 26 D 48 2 11 13 17 13 6 0 2 2 2
47 Claude Lapointe
1968-10-11 25 C 29 4 8 12 41 5 5 0 0 0 8
12 Chris Simon 1972-01-30 22 L 29 3 9 12 106 14 6 1 1 2 19
25 Martin Rucinsky 1971-03-11 23 L 20 3 6 9 14 5 -- -- -- -- --
6 Craig Wolanin 1967-07-27 27 D 40 3 6 9 40 12 6 1 1 2 4
52 Adam Foote 1971-07-10 23 D 35 0 7 7 52 17 6 0 1 1 14
23 Paul MacDermid 1963-04-14 31 R 14 3 1 4 22 3 3 0 0 0 2
15 Bill Huard From Ottawa 1967-06-24 27 L 7 2 2 4 13 2 1 0 0 0 0
14 Dwayne Norris 1970-01-08 24 R 13 1 2 3 2 1 -- -- -- -- --
5 Alexei Gusarov 1964-07-08 30 D 14 1 2 3 6 -1 -- -- -- -- --
20 Rene Corbet 1973-06-25 21 L 8 0 3 3 2 3 2 0 1 1 0
31 Aaron Miller 1971-08-11 23 D 9 0 3 3 6 2 -- -- -- -- --
22 Janne Laukkanen 1970-03-19 24 D 11 0 3 3 4 3 6 1 0 1 2
35 Stephane Fiset 1970-06-17 24 G 32 0 3 3 2 0 4 0 0 0 0
29 Steven Finn
1966-08-20 28 D 40 0 3 3 64 1 4 0 1 1 2
24 Jon Klemm 1970-01-08 24 D 4 1 0 1 2 3 -- -- -- -- --
Dave Karpa To Anaheim 1971-05-07 23 D 2 0 0 0 0 -1 -- -- -- -- --
1 Garth Snow 1969-07-28 25 G 2 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
41 Jocelyn Thibault 1975-01-12 19 G 18 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 0
Bench 48 0 0 0 4 0 -- -- -- -- --
Totals 185 309 494 770
Goalies
Player Name GP Min GA GAA W L T Svs Pct EN SO
Jocelyn Thibault 18 898 35 2.34 12 2 2 388 0.917 0 1
Stephane Fiset
32 1879 87 2.78 17 10 3 881 0.91 1 2
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The vast majority did not speak french at all. It highlighted in blue those who spoke french, at least to my knowledge.

The same can be said for the current MTL lineup.
true for the 90s. But in the 80s they were a very French team. In their debut NHL season their top 3 scorers (Cloutier, Tardif, and Goulet) were all French-speaking, and they also had Leduc, Lacroix, Bernier, Plante, Cote, Richard, David, Weir, Bilodeau, Sleigher, and others.

Even after the Stastnys arrived, it was still a very French team. E.g., in 84/85 among the regular fwds were Goulet, Cloutier, Tardif, Hunter, Cote, Sleigher, and Richard.
The had 4 regular francophone D-men - Rochefort, Weir, Marois, and Dupont (with Hamel and Rick Lapointe also seeing some time). And Dan Bouchard in goal.

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true for the 90s. But in the 80s they were a very French team. In their debut NHL season their top 3 scorers (Cloutier, Tardif, and Goulet) were all French-speaking, and they also had Leduc, Lacroix, Bernier, Plante, Cote, Richard, David, Weir, Bilodeau, Sleigher, and others.

Even after the Stastnys arrived, it was still a very French team. E.g., in 84/85 among the regular fwds were Goulet, Cloutier, Tardif, Hunter, Cote, Sleigher, and Richard.
The had 4 regular francophone D-men - Rochefort, Weir, Marois, and Dupont (with Hamel and Rick Lapointe also seeing some time). And Dan Bouchard in goal.
The Habs also had a lot of French-Canadians in those days. The League has a whole was very different. There were not much Euros and more French players. Of course the new Nordiques will try to have a French presence, but you won't see teams with 10+ French guys anymore. The NHL is more "global" than it was in the 80s.

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Next Canadian city to get an NHL team? Look at the list

Cities population on july 1st 2012

Toronto..............5 941,5
Montréal........... 3 957,7
Vancouver....... 2 463,7
Calgary..............1 309,2
Ottawa-Gatineau..1 273,3
Edmonton............1 230,1
Winnipeg................778,4
Québec..................769,6
Hamilton................756,6
Going by the numbers it appears Toronto should have 5 teams

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The Habs also had a lot of French-Canadians in those days. The League has a whole was very different. There were not much Euros and more French players. Of course the new Nordiques will try to have a French presence, but you won't see teams with 10+ French guys anymore. The NHL is more "global" than it was in the 80s.
There just doesn't seem to be as many players out of Quebec period in the NHL, I believe there are more players from Alberta in the NHL, anyone have any idea why?

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Next Canadian city to get an NHL team? Look at the list

Cities population on july 1st 2012

Toronto..............5 941,5
Montréal........... 3 957,7
Vancouver....... 2 463,7
Calgary..............1 309,2
Ottawa-Gatineau..1 273,3
Edmonton............1 230,1
Winnipeg................778,4
Québec..................769,6
Hamilton................756,6
Where did you get those numbers, in the latest census in 2011, Quebec was in front of Winnipeg

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There just doesn't seem to be as many players out of Quebec period in the NHL, I believe there are more players from Alberta in the NHL, anyone have any idea why?
These things are cyclicle. Czechs are in a down cycle now, too. They'll rebound. Just like the Swedes did.

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These things are cyclicle. Czechs are in a down cycle now, too. They'll rebound. Just like the Swedes did.
Has a matter of fact, this year's draft will see a lot of Québec born player drafted. There should be 4 or 5 drafted in the first round (Drouin, Mantha, Gauthier, Fucale, maybe Morin, Dauphin, Duclair).

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Has a matter of fact, this year's draft will see a lot of Québec born player drafted. There should be 4 or 5 drafted in the first round (Drouin, Mantha, Gauthier, Fucale, maybe Morin, Dauphin, Duclair).
If Duclair keeps playing like he is he will be lucky to get drafted at all. Half

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