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02-06-2013, 05:09 PM
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oh so we should give you guys good value for him, not because of production, but because he is friends with Malkin?

When you are playing with Malkin and Neal, there aren't many more things than goals that are expected. We just got Boychuck for free and he's seeming to gell with them so far so I'm sure they would let this play out a little longer. Neal wasn't best friends with Malkin before he came here and he turned into a 40 goal, PPG player last year so maybe Shero has better things in mind then giving Malkin someone to hang out with.
like getting Kulemin so that Neal can play with sid?

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People who think that they are going to get Sutter for Kulemin or that Kulemin and Sutter are equal value is downright laughable!
80% are saying Sutter >> Kulemin

Why focus on the minority?

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I don't think Kulemin has the trade value some people think on this board.

After putting up 30G, he disappointed with seven in 70 games. Now with one in ten, he's on the exact same pace.
Basically.

Shero's not going to lose a 1st to get Kulemin.

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Basically.

Shero's not going to lose a 1st to get Kulemin.
I'm sure he'll get a better player in the 25-30 range.

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like getting Kulemin so that Neal can play with sid?
oh so we should get Kulemin to break up arguably the best 1-2 punch in hockey? Sounds like a great decision

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Basically.

Shero's not going to lose a 1st to get Kulemin.
According to the article, Burke reportedly turned down a 1st round pick for Kulemin.

I don't know what the Maple Leafs expect in return, I can't imagine anything spectacular like a 1st AND a solid prospect. He's not worth it, IMO.

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If this draft is as deep as they say it is yes a 1st gets the ball moving
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/2013-nh...0848--nhl.html

"they" have changed their minds and decided this draft isn't as deep as once touted.

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People who think that they are going to get Sutter for Kulemin or that Kulemin and Sutter are equal value is downright laughable!
I know right judging on stats and how more important Kulemin would be to the pens with malkin then sutter is laughable. If anything Pens need to add for Kulemin pretty funny right. lol Sutter. 296 55 56 111 3rd line plug
Kule. 313 69 89 158 top six foward can play with malkin.

To be honest pens would be getting a great deal straight up. Add kennedy and maybe toronto even thinks about it.

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People who think that they are going to get Sutter for Kulemin or that Kulemin and Sutter are equal value is downright laughable!
Last three seasons kulimen has 121 pts. Sutter has 101 pts.

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People seeming to take this like we want to trade Kulemin.
We could use another Kulemin not lose one.

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I know right judging on stats and how more important Kulemin would be to the pens with malkin then sutter is laughable. If anything Pens need to add for Kulemin pretty funny right. lol Sutter. 296 55 56 111 3rd line plug
Kule. 313 69 89 158 top six foward can play with malkin.

To be honest pens would be getting a great deal straight up. Add kennedy and maybe toronto even thinks about it.
except for that whole not having a 3rd line center then. The difference between Toronto and Pittsburgh is that Pittsburgh is strong down the middle. Why would we change that strategy?

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oh so we should get Kulemin to break up arguably the best 1-2 punch in hockey? Sounds like a great decision
well when you have the best player on the planet should he not be playing with the teams best winger?

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oh so we should give you guys good value for him, not because of production, but because he is friends with Malkin?

When you are playing with Malkin and Neal, there aren't many more things than goals that are expected. We just got Boychuck for free and he's seeming to gell with them so far so I'm sure they would let this play out a little longer. Neal wasn't best friends with Malkin before he came here and he turned into a 40 goal, PPG player last year so maybe Shero has better things in mind then giving Malkin someone to hang out with.
Kulemin is one of the best defensive winger in the league. The reason why he wont get nominated for the Selke is because they also have to put up 60+ points and Selke's are usually given to centers.

Kulemin has plenty of skill, he's always first on the backcheck, even before the center, he's hard to knock off the puck, he can cycle the puck, go to the dirty areas and more.

Points aren't everything...and even then he's got 6 points in 10 games.

Why would the Pens be interested in Kulemin? Because they know what he can do.

Pittsburgh wants to buy him for cheap and turn him into a 25 goal 60 point guy that provides good defense with Malkin as his center.

Sorry but that's not going to happen. If you want a quality winger that is 26 years old, you have to give up a 1st + a good prospect.

Also, everyone seems to be forgetting, Kulemin is NOT A UFA, he's not a rental. He's got another year on his contract @ 3M and Leafs aren't the ones that have put him on the trade block...there is interest from the Pens.

The Leafs would have to be stupid to trade him for a 2nd+. Paul Gaustad returned a 1st.

With Malkin and Neal on the line, Kulemin could be putting up a lot more points because he won't get nearly as much attention from the D in the offensive zone as he does right now on the Leafs.

Also..there is interest in Kulemin, the Leafs aren't shopping him.

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Sutter is also younger, better defensively and plays a more important position. C > LW

Just my perspective.

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Damn you, Malkin, why can`t you be friends with Kovalchuk!

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well when you have the best player on the planet should he not be playing with the teams best winger?
wait a minute... are you suggesting that Kulemin would be the best winger on this team or are you suggesting Neal should be playing with Crosby instead of Malkin anyway?

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Kulemin is one of the best defensive winger in the league. The reason why he wont get nominated for the Selke is because they also have to put up 60+ points and Selke's are usually given to centers.

Kulemin has plenty of skill, he's always first on the backcheck, even before the center, he's hard to knock off the puck, he can cycle the puck, go to the dirty areas and more.

Points aren't everything...and even then he's got 6 points in 10 games.

Why would the Pens be interested in Kulemin? Because they know what he can do.

Pittsburgh wants to buy him for cheap and turn him into a 25 goal 60 point guy that provides good defense with Malkin as his center.

Sorry but that's not going to happen. If you want a quality winger that is 26 years old, you have to give up a 1st + a good prospect.

Also, everyone seems to be forgetting, Kulemin is NOT A UFA, he's not a rental. He's got another year on his contract @ 3M and Leafs aren't the ones that have put him on the trade block...there is interest from the Pens.

The Leafs would have to be stupid to trade him for a 2nd+. Paul Gaustad returned a 1st.

With Malkin and Neal on the line, Kulemin could be putting up a lot more points because he won't get nearly as much attention from the D in the offensive zone as he does right now on the Leafs.
everyone in the league would produce more on a line with Malkin and Neal. That does not make him more enticing.

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Damn you, Malkin, why can`t you be friends with Kovalchuk!
cause he seems like an ass

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wait a minute... are you suggesting that Kulemin would be the best winger on this team or are you suggesting Neal should be playing with Crosby instead of Malkin anyway?
Neal is a pure goal scorer Kulemin is a workhorse on the boards and will bust his ass.

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except for that whole not having a 3rd line center then. The difference between Toronto and Pittsburgh is that Pittsburgh is strong down the middle. Why would we change that strategy?

That team is not even close to what it is now if they only had the 3rd and 4th best Cs in the game instead of their top 2 Cs.

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Then do the right thing and send us Malkin... Cheap.
This is a banal response. Can't understand why leafs fans continue to fuel this weak nonsense. I'm rejecting your silly proposal. And think you should.. have more class.

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Deals I would want as a Leafs fan:

Kulemin + Bozak for Sutter + mid pick
Kulemin for one of Morrow/Bennett/Dumoulin + 1st

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lol paul gaustad got a first and was a ufa lol come on dude you are drinking your own bathwater.
We got lucky with the Gaustad trade. Really lucky. The Preds easily overpaid in that trade and we took it. Odds of that happening again anytime soon with a similar player are slim.

Kulemin is a goal-scorer and has scored one goal in 10 GP and seven in 70 last season. He's not finding the back of the net despite his defensive capability. Linemates taken into consideration, he has shown he has been able to notch 30 and since then hasn't come close to the offensive production he's capable of. Kulemin's a good player but a first would be overpayment even considering he won't be a UFA in the summer.

At the deadline, the players I see netting firsts are star rentals as we have seen before, your Hossas, your Campbells, your Kaberles, etc. Kulemin is not on that level. Gaustad was a luck exception. You can't compare one player and think that's the basis for everyone else. Kulemin could net a second and a pretty nice prospect and I think that would be good value for him. If he was a "rental" I think a second is enough.

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everyone in the league would produce more on a line with Malkin and Neal. That does not make him more enticing.
Then we'll trade you Colton Orr for a 2nd.

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Neal is a pure goal scorer Kulemin is a workhorse on the boards and will bust his ass.
haha you think Neal doesn't have any physical presence along the boards? there's no way you actually watched Neal play.

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