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02-06-2013, 05:37 PM
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Canucks & Oilers

To Vancouver:

F Ales Hemsky (5.0M thru 13/14)
D Mark Fistric (1.5M thru 12/13)
G Devan Dubnyk (3.5M thru 13/14)

To Edmonton:

F Chris Higgins (1.9M thru 12/13)
D Keith Ballard (4.2M thru 14/15)
G Cory Schneider (4.0M thru 14/15)

Canucks add a key piece to their forward crop in their current Cup chase. Oilers add a long term goaltending stud to backbone their hoard of draft lottery youngstars.

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02-06-2013, 05:38 PM
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To Vancouver:

F Ales Hemsky (5.0M thru 13/14)
D Mark Fistric (1.5M thru 12/13)
G Devan Dubnyk (3.5M thru 13/14)

To Edmonton:

F Chris Higgins (1.9M thru 12/13)
D Keith Ballard (4.2M thru 14/15)
G Cory Schneider (4.0M thru 14/15)

Canucks add a key piece to their forward crop in their current Cup chase. Oilers add a long term goaltending stud to backbone their hoard of draft lottery youngstars.
Not interested in Dubnyk,
moderate interest in Hemsky,
low interest in Fistric.

Would think Schneider would fetch a higher return, IMO.

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02-06-2013, 05:41 PM
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hmmmm, I would believe Tambo would think long and hard about this one.

Some typical responses you should expect to see:
1. Hemsky sucks lAwl!!!1!! injuries
2. Dubnyk is a number one already
3. Schneider sucks!!!

But the truth is: schnieder would be an upgrade over Dubnyk and thats what the Oilers need. He has played great up till now (7th in Sv%) but its not certain he can keep it going Hemsky is playing some good hockey too.

I also like Higgins drive to. Meh over Ballard, another guy to fight over the 5th/6th dmen, maybe an upgrade over Whitney

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02-06-2013, 05:44 PM
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Why would the oilers do this?
Hemsky>>>Higgins
Fistric>>>Ballard (when you take contract into account)
Dubnyk>Schneider (Dubynk is an average starter while Schneider is an elite backup)

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02-06-2013, 05:45 PM
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Huge pass for this Canucks fan. Not trading Schneider and replacing him with a 3.5 million dollar backup. I don't see any basis for a trade here.

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02-06-2013, 05:48 PM
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Why would the Oilers add up to get Schnieder when Dubnyk is playing very well right now. We would want a more proven goalie, and honestly Dubnyk is actually more proven goalie right now. Not to mention Fistric is better bang for buck when your looking at a 6th D man than Ballard, and Hemsky as of now is worth more than Higgins due to skill factor.

Just doesnt make sense.

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02-06-2013, 05:54 PM
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Why would the oilers do this?
Hemsky>>>Higgins
Fistric>>>Ballard (when you take contract into account)
Dubnyk>Schneider (Dubynk is an average starter while Schneider is an elite backup)


2011-2012

Hemsky

2011-12 Edmonton Oilers NHL 69 10 26 36 43 -13

Higgins

2011-12 Vancouver Canucks NHL 71 18 25 43 16 11

Higgins was playing 2nd/3rd line minutes, white Hemsky was playing 1st/2nd line minutes....

I really don't want to get into MORE stats, because someone will just go along and say "oh... stats don't me everything" which is true. But it's not like Fistric was "positionally sound" either... FWIW Ballard did have more points, better +/- and is outperforming Fistric by lengths this year too...

I'm not gonna even start on Schneider being "an elite back up" IF anything, Dubnyk is an "better than average backup"

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02-06-2013, 05:59 PM
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To Vancouver:

F Ales Hemsky (5.0M thru 13/14)
D Mark Fistric (1.5M thru 12/13)
G Devan Dubnyk (3.5M thru 13/14)

To Edmonton:

F Chris Higgins (1.9M thru 12/13)
D Keith Ballard (4.2M thru 14/15)
G Cory Schneider (4.0M thru 14/15)

Canucks add a key piece to their forward crop in their current Cup chase. Oilers add a long term goaltending stud to backbone their hoard of draft lottery youngstars.
Oilers should see how Dubnyk pans out. He could be solid.

If Edmonton was serious about Schneider, he would cost you Yakupov.

Schneider + Ballard = Yakupov.

Its steep, but its fair value . It could go either way. Yak could end up being a headcase or a superstar. Canucks would be taking that chance

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02-06-2013, 06:01 PM
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2011-2012

Hemsky

2011-12 Edmonton Oilers NHL 69 10 26 36 43 -13

Higgins

2011-12 Vancouver Canucks NHL 71 18 25 43 16 11

Higgins was playing 2nd/3rd line minutes, white Hemsky was playing 1st/2nd line minutes....

I really don't want to get into MORE stats, because someone will just go along and say "oh... stats don't me everything" which is true. But it's not like Fistric was "positionally sound" either... FWIW Ballard did have more points, better +/- and is outperforming Fistric by lengths this year too...

I'm not gonna even start on Schneider being "an elite back up" IF anything, Dubnyk is an "better than average backup"
Higgins:
.49 ppg

Hemsky
.76 ppg

over their careers

Fistric hasnt played much this season but at this stage in there careers Ballard and Fistric are pretty even. Ballard is pretty brutal


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02-06-2013, 06:03 PM
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Why would the oilers do this?
Hemsky>>>Higgins
Fistric>>>Ballard (when you take contract into account)
Dubnyk>Schneider (Dubynk is an average starter while Schneider is an elite backup)
you are delusional

Hemsky>Higgins
Ballard>>>>Fistric
Dubnyk<<<<<<<<<<<<Schneider
Higgins would be a good vet presence
Ballard could play in edm's top 4 ,PP QB & good puck rushing Dman
Schneider is better than any goalie you've had in awhile & is on a great contract.


Hemsky improves Vancouver
Fistric does not
Dubnyk would be moved as soon as Lack is ready to push luongo


Not a bad deal

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02-06-2013, 06:05 PM
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No sense in both fan bases getting all fought up this proposal helps neither team really.

Vancouver downgrades Schneider and gets a guy making $500k less? Hemsky might be worth it to Vancouver for a Cup run on offence but he doesn't exactly solve their lack of toughness and physicality either.

The real gold of this proposal lies in which fans will look like idiots coming in here to stick up for their team

Edit: too late, someone already went with the Dubnyk>Schneider

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02-06-2013, 06:09 PM
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you are delusional

Hemsky>Higgins
Ballard>>>>Fistric
Dubnyk<<<<<<<<<<<<Schneider
Higgins would be a good vet presence
Ballard could play in edm's top 4 ,PP QB & good puck rushing Dman
Schneider is better than any goalie you've had in awhile & is on a great contract.


Hemsky improves Vancouver
Fistric does not
Dubnyk would be moved as soon as Lack is ready to push luongo


Not a bad deal
I think if you pulled up Dubynk sv % from the second half of last season and the start of this season and compared in to Schnieders the gap wouldnt be tremedous, and certainly not >>>>>>>>>>>>>

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02-06-2013, 06:11 PM
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No sense in both fan bases getting all fought up this proposal helps neither team really.

Vancouver downgrades Schneider and gets a guy making $500k less? Hemsky might be worth it to Vancouver for a Cup run on offence but he doesn't exactly solve their lack of toughness and physicality either.

The real gold of this proposal lies in which fans will look like idiots coming in here to stick up for their team

Edit: too late, someone already went with the Dubnyk>Schneider
I laughed when I read this

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Curious... How many trades have these two teams pulled off?


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02-06-2013, 06:16 PM
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Why would the oilers do this?
Hemsky>>>Higgins
Fistric>>>Ballard (when you take contract into account)
Dubnyk>Schneider (Dubynk is an average starter while Schneider is an elite backup)
As an outsider I've got to say this is pretty disingenuous. The only one you got right is Hemsky > Higgins, but I'm sure the Canucks are just fine with Higgins who can slot in anywhere, and 3.1 million not tied up. Schneider is back up behind, you guessed it, Luongo. Luongo who is still a very considerable goalie. Dubnyk became started by virtue of his own talents obviously, as well as the only challenger being a 40-year-old Khabibulin. Not exactly stiff competition. I'm not saying who's better, I'm saying it can't really be conclusively said. Lastly, Ballard is better than Fistric...no other way about it. You say 'take the contract into account', but I say 'basement teams can't be turning down upgrades'.

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02-06-2013, 06:19 PM
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God no. To the person who says Dubynk>Schneider, go make a poll on the poll section, I dare you.

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02-06-2013, 06:20 PM
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Canucks fan. I usually try stay away from this board as its nuts and I probably cant add any value to trade conversation, I just don't see us doing a trade with the Oil unless it makes us better and takes enough away from our division rivals, by that I mean Like them giving up Hall,(I'm probably the only canuck fan that likes him) or RNH. I know Oilers fans would hate that but from my point of view those Kids with " long term goaltending stud to backbone" as the OP put it, will be making them to good.

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02-06-2013, 06:21 PM
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so a 925sv% isn't a number one that includes the 6 goals in the 1st vs San Jose dubnyk getting underrated again he turned the corner last year and why would Edmonton give up the rest for what maybe a slightly better goalie (lets not forget who gets to play behind one of the deepest blue lines in the league)

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02-06-2013, 06:29 PM
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Terrible for the Canucks.

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02-06-2013, 06:40 PM
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Higgins:
.49 ppg

Hemsky
.76 ppg

over their careers

Fistric hasnt played much this season but at this stage in there careers Ballard and Fistric are pretty even. Ballard is pretty brutal
....Yes, because career numbers matter to us. I could care less what Hemsky did 3 years ago, I care what he's going to do for me this season. That being said, I fully expect Hemsky to outscore Higgins this season, and I'd agree hands down Hemsky is the more dynamic offensive player. But lets lose the skewed career stats argument, it's very much irrelevant.

And to the poster that labelled Dubnyk as an average starter, and Schneider as an elite back-up, that's just as skewed as the above argument. Schneider has played in 76 NHL games where as Dubnyk has played 110 NHL games, that isn't a huge spread. I can guarantee you if you guys had Roberto Luongo under contract, Dubnyk would be your back-up. And given his stats as a back-up to date, I'm not sure he has even earned the "elite back-up" title.

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02-06-2013, 06:42 PM
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Huge pass for this Canucks fan. Not trading Schneider and replacing him with a 3.5 million dollar backup. I don't see any basis for a trade here.
A backup that has beaten the Canucks once and lost in a shoot out the other time.

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God no. To the person who says Dubynk>Schneider, go make a poll on the poll section, I dare you.
Right now looking at this season Dubnyk would win hands down.

Oilers get hosed here, Dubnyk = Schneider and if Schneider doesn't step up and prove he's that starting goalie, then he's not a match for Dubnyk. The way Hemsky is playing right now, I don't think a package of Ballard and Higgins would get you Hemsky alone. Then the Oilers have to add Fistric, someone's dreaming here.

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Strictly looking at the players involved Vancouver moves the best player in the deal and doesn't become better short or long term. It also keeps them in the exact position except now Dubnyk is backing up Luongo. Now factor moving Schneider to a division rival where Gillis can be reminded of the trade multiple times a season in crucial games. Its not brutal, but it can't happen.

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Oilers get hosed here, Dubnyk = Schneider and if Schneider doesn't step up and prove he's that starting goalie, then he's not a match for Dubnyk. The way Hemsky is playing right now, I don't think a package of Ballard and Higgins would get you Hemsky alone. Then the Oilers have to add Fistric, someone's dreaming here.
Why would the Canucks downgrade on defense and goaltending just to get an extremely injury prone forward?

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We've already had someone say Dubnyk>Schneider...well, didn't take long for someone to post something ridiculous, did it.

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Oilers should see how Dubnyk pans out. He could be solid.

If Edmonton was serious about Schneider, he would cost you Yakupov.

Schneider + Ballard = Yakupov.

Its steep, but its fair value . It could go either way. Yak could end up being a headcase or a superstar. Canucks would be taking that chance
WTF is this post?

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