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02-06-2013, 08:42 PM
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Yeah, this is looking like a deal I definitely don't want to happen. Kulemin is just fine right where he is.

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because 99% of fans still see him as the 30 goal scorer not the third liner he actually is.
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Niskanen is an interesting piece..

Not saying I'd do it though.
I don't know that Shero would either. I only mentioned him if we're talking about being an immediate upgrade somewhere the Leafs need help. IMO, you could use help on defense. Niskanen wouldn't be the shut down guy you'd love to get, but, as noted, he'd be 5th defenseman at worst. Guy was with Letang and playing quite nicely until he got hurt.

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Done!
The Leafs aren't in the need for another damned young defenseman.

We need to concentrate on Centers and Goalies at this point, or maybe a high-end power forward winger.

And I doubt Pittsburgh will move Neal.

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Pittsburgh isn't going to trade any roster players. They have a lot of high end defensive prospects & picks if they were going make move on him.
You could say the exact same thing about Toronto.

Reality is, at this point, nobody's trading roster players, except for other team's roster players.

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Tangradi & 1st is my abs MAX I would offer to take a chance on him not becoming Poni 2.0
I doubt Tangradi interests anyone at this point.

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He isn't worth Maatta, a second and Bluegger. That is too much. I value second round picks in this draft.
Yeah, and we value NHL wingers.

Anyway, at this point, I don't want anything out of the Pens farm system.

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Kulemin's size is probably one of the reasons we've won 5 games this year.

Obviously, the offensive production hasn't been there, but we don't have anyone to replace him.

One could reasonably conclude that the Pens would value Kulemin greater than the Leafs because of his chemistry with Malkin, but that value isn't some defensive prospect with absolutely no hope of playing a top 4 role in the NHL this year or next.

Realistically, if a team wants Kulemin, they're going to have to give up something valuable off their roster. The only deal to be made here is a hockey trade, not a futures deal. Brandon Sutter is somebody that might get the conversation going, as would Simon Despres, but when you dive deeper, there certainly doesn't seem to be a deal here.

If the Leafs were to trade Kulemin, they'd be looking for a player exactly like him.... maybe a deal along the lines of Kulemin + Holzer for Despres + Kennedy... but I suspect Pens fans wouldn't be too happy with that deal, and even though Despres is 6'4, he may not be suited to a defensive core where Gardiner & Rielly are a huge part of the plan.
Most Pens fans, myself included, would NOT be happy about that deal.

BUT, with Niskanen coming back, that absolutely is a deal that I could see Ray Shero making.

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Kulemin's size is probably one of the reasons we've won 5 games this year.

Obviously, the offensive production hasn't been there, but we don't have anyone to replace him.

One could reasonably conclude that the Pens would value Kulemin greater than the Leafs because of his chemistry with Malkin, but that value isn't some defensive prospect with absolutely no hope of playing a top 4 role in the NHL this year or next.

Realistically, if a team wants Kulemin, they're going to have to give up something valuable off their roster. The only deal to be made here is a hockey trade, not a futures deal. Brandon Sutter is somebody that might get the conversation going, as would Simon Despres, but when you dive deeper, there certainly doesn't seem to be a deal here.

If the Leafs were to trade Kulemin, they'd be looking for a player exactly like him.... maybe a deal along the lines of Kulemin + Holzer for Despres + Kennedy... but I suspect Pens fans wouldn't be too happy with that deal, and even though Despres is 6'4, he may not be suited to a defensive core where Gardiner & Rielly are a huge part of the plan.
Kulemin was far and away our worst player against Carolina. He kills offense. I'm not sure what you're watching.

I always wondered about Kuly's 2011. His shot% and garbage goals were frightening, but I ignored it. I can't do that anymore based on what I've seen over the last year and a half. The guy is a lost cause in the offensive zone.

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The Leafs aren't in the need for another damned young defenseman.

We need to concentrate on Centers and Goalies at this point, or maybe a high-end power forward winger.

And I doubt Pittsburgh will move Neal.
I'll take Reimer over anyone on our D not named Gardiner.

I mean seriously, we have to add to every part of our roster. Why would you shy away from the chance to add a promising D prospect?

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Kulemin was far and away our worst player against Carolina. He kills offense. I'm not sure what you're watching.

I always wondered about Kuly's 2011. His shot% and garbage goals were frightening, but I ignored it. I can't do that anymore based on what I've seen over the last year and a half. The guy is a lost cause in the offensive zone.
I find this estimation incomprehensible.

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Kulemin was far and away our worst player against Carolina. He kills offense. I'm not sure what you're watching.

I always wondered about Kuly's 2011. His shot% and garbage goals were frightening, but I ignored it. I can't do that anymore based on what I've seen over the last year and a half. The guy is a lost cause in the offensive zone.
Kulemin's line hasn't been about offence. It's been about maintaining puck possession, and keeping the opposing team's stars off the board. Something the Leafs have done a pretty good job of this year.

Even if Kulemin doesn't score 30 goals ever again, he doesn't need to. He's a $2.8m forward who excels defensively and is strong on the puck.

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The Leafs aren't in the need for another damned young defenseman.

We need to concentrate on Centers and Goalies at this point, or maybe a high-end power forward winger.

And I doubt Pittsburgh will move Neal.
Neal for Kulemin? not even close.

Last season, Neal 40G 41A, 81P in 80 GP, keep dreaming.

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Only think I'd be looking at is:


Brandon Sutter
???


Nikolai Kulemin
Tyler Bozak

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I would take this deal or:

Kulemin + Blacker for Maata + 2nd
Kulemin is worth more than Maata.

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Kulemin's line hasn't been about offence. It's been about maintaining puck possession, and keeping the opposing team's stars off the board. Something the Leafs have done a pretty good job of this year.

Even if Kulemin doesn't score 30 goals ever again, he doesn't need to. He's a $2.8m forward who excels defensively and is strong on the puck.
You mentioned this earlier, so I'll ask you:

Could you, as a Leafs fan, see Nonis doing Kulemin + Holzer for Kennedy + Despres?

As a Pens fan, I could see Shero doing that when Niskanen returns.

Most Pens fans would be steamed, I think, and I'd be far from happy myself, but I really could see Shero making a deal like the one you floated.

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Only think I'd be looking at is:


Brandon Sutter
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Nikolai Kulemin
Tyler Bozak
What about seanlinden's (I believe he's a Leafs fan) Kulemin + Holzer for Kennedy + Despres?

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LOL at Pens fans who think it would cost anything less then Suter +... And I wouldn't even consider that. When they had J.Staal I wanted Staal for Kulemin + Kadri (which is a better return then they got) now there is literally nothing I would want outside the obvious untouchables. We love Kulemin he's a very important player for us.

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Sutter won't even be in talks; he's simply not available. As for Kulemin... he won't be traded for lesser parts.
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What about seanlinden's (I believe he's a Leafs fan) Kulemin + Holzer for Kennedy + Despres?
Hate it.

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I find this estimation incomprehensible.
I'd love for you to convince me otherwise.
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Kulemin's line hasn't been about offence. It's been about maintaining puck possession, and keeping the opposing team's stars off the board. Something the Leafs have done a pretty good job of this year.

Even if Kulemin doesn't score 30 goals ever again, he doesn't need to. He's a $2.8m forward who excels defensively and is strong on the puck.
Oh there's no doubt, his line is playing the shut down role while also adding offense.

I value an upside prospect like Maata over a year and a half of a defensive player with limited offense.

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Only think I'd be looking at is:


Brandon Sutter
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Nikolai Kulemin
Tyler Bozak
then you'll be disappointed if they trade Kulemin and that's not the return you get. Pens aren't trading Sutter.

you can probably get a similar player from another team, but i wouldn't hold my breath.

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then you'll be disappointed if they trade Kulemin and that's not the return you get. Pens aren't trading Sutter.

you can probably get a similar player from another team, but i wouldn't hold my breath.
Eh, we could just wait until Kulemin's deal is done for him to sign to play with his buddy Malkin.

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Don't the Pens have enough single digit goal scoring wingers already? I don't see the Pens paying more due to having centers that will create extra scoring chances for the guy. They will do that for a lot of guys(hello Pascal Dupuis). And last I checked this isnt the KHL anyway.

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Wow. A lot of Leaf fans are delusional.
i say let them keep Kulemin for now and possibly lose him for nothing in July. i don't think he's worth what some Leafs fans think he's worth just based on the fact that he had one 30 goal season.

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