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Trade down from 1st/2nd OA to 3rd/4th OA

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02-05-2013, 11:10 AM
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Trade down from 1st/2nd OA to 3rd/4th OA

Let's assume that Caps get the #1/#2 overall pick and your team (picking 3rd or 4th) really wants to get Seth Jones. What would you add to your pick to trade up?

I think Caps need to get their eyes set on Sasha Barkov. If we can get another important piece trading down from MacKinnon/Jones to Barkov, great.

Need: Top-4 shutdown left-handed D, not old. Think Hjalmarsson, Vlasic, Hamhuis, Gunnarsson.

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Hamhuis is untouchable, just for the record. I doubt any of Vancouver, Chicago or San Jose will be picking top-5 this year, too.

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so let me get this straight ... you'd expect a team picking top five ... and we'll use toronto with gunnarsson as one of your examples ... to ship that top 5 pick + gunnarsson to wash for the 2nd overall? or even first overall??

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Hamhuis is untouchable, just for the record. I doubt any of Vancouver, Chicago or San Jose will be picking top-5 this year, too.
I didn't mean those guys. I meant players like them. Just examples that came to mind right away.

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so let me get this straight ... you'd expect a team picking top five ... and we'll use toronto with gunnarsson as one of your examples ... to ship that top 5 pick + gunnarsson to wash for the 2nd overall? or even first overall??
There aren't many trades like those so I honestly don't know if it's a lot or too little of a + for the trade up. That's why I'm asking.

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I don't think you could get an established NHL player for trading down.

Most teams that are willing to trade up would give up the 3rd/4th overall + high 2nd round pick + B-level prospect.

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There aren't many trades like those so I honestly don't know if it's a lot or too little of a + for the trade up. That's why I'm asking.
Here is what Florida got for their 1st pick from the Penguins.

1st pick (Fleury) + 3rd round pick (Carcillo) for Mikael Samuelsson (average to above-average prospect at the time) + 3rd overall pick (Horton) + 2nd round pick (#55 overall Stefan Meyer)

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The islanders offered all their picks last year to move from 4th to second OA

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On a normal draft year, I'd easily move Gunnarson+5th ov for 1st or 2nd ov. The gap is usually big enough to make it.

Just look at 2005-2011 drafts:
Crosby/Ryan vs. Price
EJ/Staal vs. Kessel
Kane/JVR vs. Alzner
Stamkos/Doughty vs. Schenn
Tavares/Hedman vs. Schenn
Hall/Seguin vs. Nino
RNH/Landeskog vs. Strome

That's 6/7 where giving up Gunnarson and getting a marquee talent would easily be worth it.

I left out 2012.. Gotta wait and see how things go. Yak seems strong tho.

Toronto should make that trade immediately.

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I don't think you could get an established NHL player for trading down.

Most teams that are willing to trade up would give up the 3rd/4th overall + high 2nd round pick + B-level prospect.
Let's take CBJ as an example.
How about 1st, 2nd and Mike Reilly?
For FLA:
1st, 2nd and Alex Petrovic?
For Colorado:
1st, 2nd and Tyson Barrie?
For Calgary:
1st, 2nd and Sieloff?

Also, if one of this trades would happen I'd consider immediately moving the "change" for an established player. Pick in the 30s and prospects like that can fetch one I think.

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In 2002 the Blue Jackets moved from 3rd overall to 1st basically for nothing.

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Columbus traded the third-overall pick and the option to flip draft spots in 2003 to the Florida Panthers; in return Columbus received the first-overall pick, which they used to select Rick Nash.

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In 2002 the Blue Jackets moved from 3rd overall to 1st basically for nothing.
That was a very unusual circumstance. Panthers wanted Bouwmeester, Columbus wanted Nash. The Panthers also traded two draft picks to Atlanta so that they wouldn't trade the pick

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