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07-04-2006, 04:50 PM
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Depends we have a team with a 1st line and a bunch of depth lines or we have a team with a bunch of rookies geting lots of minutes. Same team really... Just depends on who you scratch.

Only thing we have alot of are Forward Prospects.
To me we just have too many forwards either ready to be in the NHL or one one way deals.

Frolov-Conroy-Cammalleri
Thornton-Kopitar-O'Sullivan
Brown-McCauley-Willsie
Cowan-Avery-TK
Armstrong-Belanger-Parros
Giluiano

Norstrom-Visnovsky
Gleason-Blake
Miller-Sopel
Petiot-Weaver


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They are looking to stock Manchester with 3-4 veteran forwards...
I doubt Armstrong and TK would make it through waivers.

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07-04-2006, 04:55 PM
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I'm sure that DL is going to prepare the team for the possibility that a player coming over directly from Europe isn't a lock to make the team. He's likely got a contingency plan.

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I doubt Armstrong and TK would make it through waivers.
I was pretty much being sarcastic...

I'm thinking more in terms of Giuliano and Parros being able to make it through...

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07-04-2006, 05:00 PM
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I'm sure that DL is going to prepare the team for the possibility that a player coming over directly from Europe isn't a lock to make the team. He's likely got a contingency plan.
There is little doubt in my mind that Kopitar will start his North American career in Manchester...

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To me we just have too many forwards either ready to be in the NHL or one one way deals.

Frolov-Conroy-Cammalleri
Thornton-Kopitar-O'Sullivan
Brown-McCauley-Willsie
Cowan-Avery-TK
Armstrong-Belanger-Parros
Giluiano
Thats not to many forwards. Most of those guys are 4th liner/scratched types who are either in the AHL (Giluiano) or moved for nearly nothing (Cowan, TK).

These things really just come down to if the kids are ready. If O'Sullivan and Kopitar aren't up to the hype then we keep the depth guys if they are then we just move them down the chain or trade them for low picks.

I think its a big assumption at this point for both Kopitar and O'Sullivan to be up to playing NHL minutes from the start of the season.

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07-04-2006, 05:01 PM
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It's kind of tricky figuring out the line-up. This is all just speculation on my part..


Scoring Lines:
Frolov / Conroy / Cammalleri
O'Sullivan / McCauley / Brown


Defensive Line
Thornton / Belanger / Willsie


Checking Line or "Energy Unit"
Kanko / Avery / Kostopoulos
Cowan
Parros


I don't know where Armstrong fits into this team. Maybe he's one of the veterans that will be sent to Manchester?
Kopitar, Tukonen and Pushkarev should be in Manchester next season. Pushkarev should get the call up when a player on the Kings receives an injury.


Defensive pairings:

Norstrom - Miller?
Gleason - Blake
Visnovsky - Sopel?
Weaver

Garon?
Labarbera

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From the Caps board. I asked what kind of a game he played, and...

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Willsie is a pretty good back up top 6 winger. If your teams needs him as a regular in the top 6, then you are a team like the Capitals were last season. If you use him as a 4th liner or a scratch that can pick up an injuried top 6 forward, then he is pretty good.

He has the hands to score at the NHL level and has. He is not strong or fast enough to check at this level and I think he wears down and then slows down.

I think as a part time player that gets fill in duty on the top two lines and the power play, that he could get you 10 goals.
Sounds a lot like Derek Armstrong.

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07-04-2006, 05:06 PM
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There is little doubt in my mind that Kopitar will start his North American career in Manchester...

and well he should... I think the concept of "development" is sorely overlooked in the eyes of the fan.

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I don't know where Armstrong fits into this team. Maybe he's one of the veterans that will be sent to Manchester?
Kopitar, Tukonen and Pushkarev should be in Manchester next season. Pushkarev should get the call up when a player on the Kings receives an injury.
I realize they are not always right.....but TSN now has Armstrong listed as a UFA.

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From the Caps board. I asked what kind of a game he played, and...



Sounds a lot like Derek Armstrong.
I was hoping he'd be faster than DA.

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Problem with that is that most likely the guy you get with that top-3 isn't going to be ready for at least 3-4 years. Which means many of the young guys we have now are either going into RFA/UFA or are very very close. So you end up having to rebuild the team all over again.

Think its better to just hope that the youth we have now can be turned into something good then "rebuilding" every couple of years or so. Besides we havn't really waited long enough to see if the guys we have now are going to be anything....
excellent point tadite...

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07-04-2006, 05:17 PM
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He is faster than Army. He'll play 3rd line and I'm willing to bet that someone that we think is worth having will be moved out shortly. He can play 2nd line from time to time because of his work ethic.

I don't know about the money terms, but he will be cheap. He was off everyone's radar.

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another 3rd line player. dean is positioning the kings to finish last in the pacific.

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Sounds a lot like Derek Armstrong.
I said that earlier, but I don't think anyone read my post

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another 3rd line player. dean is positioning the kings to finish last in the pacific.
Which I don't have a problem with. Load up on "good character guys" and give the prospects some quality minutes. I'd rather see a bad team with a good future and a plan than what the team was last year.

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the main problem i had with armstrong is that murray put him on the powerplay and it was painfully obvious that he was completely out of place.

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This guy seems like a good sign...good wheels and isnt afraid to muck it up. Id compare him to Kunitz on the Ducks, with a tad less skill.

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Armstrong is a journeyman, with "maybe" slightly better than average skill. I think he's peaked as far as skill goes, and is now only on the decline. Trade him or release him.

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This guy seems like a good sign...good wheels and isnt afraid to muck it up. Id compare him to Kunitz on the Ducks, with a tad less skill.
I think that's the best way of putting it. Thornton is going to be the enforcer, everyone should forget about Parros, and Willsie will probably be our pest if Avery gets dealt.

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I think that's the best way of putting it. Thornton is going to be the enforcer, everyone should forget about Parros, and Willsie will probably be our pest if Avery gets dealt.
Forget about Parros? That's why Crawford played Brookbank who makes Parros look like Cam Neely. Willsie is not a pest. He's Armstrong part 2, just younger. Thornton will undoubtedly be hurt along with Cowan at some point this season. Plus, how many teams do you know of that have 35 year old enforcers?

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I don't know if you watched the Capitals much, but Willsie was a guy that was definitely trying to get in the mix often. The age of the enforcer is done, Thornton will be the guy that does the fighting. I'd be fine with someone like McGrattan that can do some grinding with it, but he's not available.

Willsie is better than Armstrong.

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I don't know if you watched the Capitals much, but Willsie was a guy that was definitely trying to get in the mix often. The age of the enforcer is done, Thornton will be the guy that does the fighting. I'd be fine with someone like McGrattan that can do some grinding with it, but he's not available.

Willsie is better than Armstrong.
I did, because I couldn't get enough of Ovechkin. Willsie only did it this year. Every other year he's been as soft as can be. I wouldn't expect him to keep it up.
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Willsie works very, very hard, but is very limited in talent. He's not physical, but can hold down a second-line scoring wing position in a pinch. His numbers this year are due to 82 games in the top 6 and playing on the power play. He was also a favorite of coach Glen Hanlon.

Not a bad player, but if he's above your fourth line, you need help.
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Willsie is a pretty good back up top 6 winger. If your teams needs him as a regular in the top 6, then you are a team like the Capitals were last season. If you use him as a 4th liner or a scratch that can pick up an injuried top 6 forward, then he is pretty good.

He has the hands to score at the NHL level and has. He is not strong or fast enough to check at this level and I think he wears down and then slows down.

I think as a part time player that gets fill in duty on the top two lines and the power play, that he could get you 10 goals.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big enforcer fan, but to say that McGrattan can do anything more than fight is laughable.

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Don't get me wrong, I'm a big enforcer fan, but to say that McGrattan can do anything more than fight is laughable.
Did you see the shift he had against the Devils in Jersey this year? I know that's an isolated incident, but I wouldn't have any problem with him on my team and trying to teach him a bit more.

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Did you see the shift he had against the Devils in Jersey this year? I know that's an isolated incident, but I wouldn't have any problem with him on my team and trying to teach him a bit more.
Ha a shift. I can remember when the Sandman had two goals in one game.

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