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Ryan O'Reilly Headed to Offer Sheet or Trade?

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02-07-2013, 08:41 AM
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Ryan would be perfect for the Avs

McGinn-Dutchy-PAP
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With Highlander in the box and the Pirate going back down to the AHL once Landy's healthy.

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02-07-2013, 08:43 AM
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Hawks armchair GM here....

Would Bolland/Sharp and a prospect like Morin be enough to bring RoR to Chicago? Hawks don't have a 2nd or a 3rd rounder so don't see them offering picks to Avs

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Anyone offersheeting him will likely be paying a 1st/2nd/3rd, that's the bare minimum provided a team offers a 6/7 year deal given the RFA compensation average is 5 years (really should be 4 under the new CBA given contract term length imo).

But in reality, I'm sure the Avs front office would love an excuse to retain O'Reilly for 5mil per season long term. They can't let themselves budge fundamentally so that future Avs RFAs can cite the lack of ROR 2nd contract in negotiations, but they can't let him walk either given his talent.

Think Shea Weber's contract situation but instead of Philly offersheeting, no one has with ROR yet.

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02-07-2013, 08:44 AM
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Here are the draft pick compensation figures for the 2012-13 season:

$1,110,249 or below – No Compensation

Over $1,110,249 to $1,682,194 – 3rd round pick

Over $1,682,194 to $3,364,391 – 2nd round pick

Over $3,364,391 to $5,046,585 – 1st round pick, 3rd

Over $5,046,585 to $6,728,781 – 1st round pick, 2nd, 3rd

Over $6,728,781 To $8,410,976 – Two 1st Round Picks, 2nd, 3rd

Over $8,410,976 – Four 1st Round Picks
That doesn't really matter. Avs would match unless someone goes full retard and offers him 5.5+ on a long term deal. Even then they probably take the deal.

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Here are the draft pick compensation figures for the 2012-13 season:

$1,110,249 or below No Compensation

Over $1,110,249 to $1,682,194 3rd round pick

Over $1,682,194 to $3,364,391 2nd round pick

Over $3,364,391 to $5,046,585 1st round pick, 3rd

Over $5,046,585 to $6,728,781 1st round pick, 2nd, 3rd

Over $6,728,781 To $8,410,976 Two 1st Round Picks, 2nd, 3rd

Over $8,410,976 Four 1st Round Picks
This kinda excludes the Islanders unless a trade occurs. Our lack of second round pick would mean that we could only be in the $3,364,391 to $5,046,585 range, which I'm not sure would get it done. Not that we have an abundant need for ROR.

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02-07-2013, 08:46 AM
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Kessel for RoR, 2013 1st and 2014 3rd

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02-07-2013, 08:48 AM
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Kessel for RoR, 2013 1st and 2014 3rd
Not a chance.

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Kessel for RoR, 2013 1st and 2014 3rd
I'd actually give this some thought. Then deal Kuli in a package with Pit's 1st coming back and we have 3 1st's in a deep draft.

(you also have to remember that the bottom 14 spots are in the lottery....doesn't hurt to improve your chances)

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02-07-2013, 09:00 AM
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I'd actually give this some thought. Then deal Kuli in a package with Pit's 1st coming back and we have 3 1st's in a deep draft.
The Avs won't trade ROR and what is likely to be a high lottery pick for a player that will be a UFA after one more season.

That would be ludicrous.

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02-07-2013, 09:08 AM
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The Avs won't trade ROR and what is likely to be a high lottery pick for a player that will be a UFA after one more season.

That would be ludicrous.
I may agree, but if things continue as they are, they may lose ROR to an offersheet anyway. At least this way they gey a proven PPG player in return.

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02-07-2013, 09:10 AM
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I may agree, but if things continue as they are, they may lose ROR to an offersheet anyway. At least this way they gey a proven PPG player in return.
Horrible logic...

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Horrible logic...
I understand. I can't understand how the Av's are having an issue signing ROR period. Just sign him....i wouldn't be looking to trade him either.

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02-07-2013, 09:12 AM
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I don't see why he hasn't been offer-sheeted already. Not up to speed on the situation but it seems like thats the only way he'll get the money he's looking for. Its just business

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I'd actually give this some thought. Then deal Kuli in a package with Pit's 1st coming back and we have 3 1st's in a deep draft.

(you also have to remember that the bottom 14 spots are in the lottery....doesn't hurt to improve your chances)
Do that. then let someone offer sheet ROR.

So we get 1st 2nd and 3rd.

we end up with 1st (X2) + 2nd + 3rd(X2) for Kessel


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02-07-2013, 09:13 AM
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Here are the draft pick compensation figures for the 2012-13 season:

$1,110,249 or below No Compensation

Over $1,110,249 to $1,682,194 3rd round pick

Over $1,682,194 to $3,364,391 2nd round pick

Over $3,364,391 to $5,046,585 1st round pick, 3rd

Over $5,046,585 to $6,728,781 1st round pick, 2nd, 3rd

Over $6,728,781 To $8,410,976 Two 1st Round Picks, 2nd, 3rd

Over $8,410,976 Four 1st Round Picks
That's actually not that bad...I mean, especially for a team with cap space. If he keeps up his play from last year he's easily worth 3 - 5 and Ottawa could afford it while also having the assets to move. Chances are Ottawa is going to finish outside of the bottom 15 this year if they get him and he's probably better than anything they could get with that 1st rounder anyway.

I'd go for it.

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02-07-2013, 09:14 AM
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I understand. I can't understand how the Av's are having an issue signing ROR period. Just sign him....i wouldn't be looking to trade him either.
You have to wonder if they actually want to tank... I don't know if you've watched us and read what the organization has to say, but it's like they're watching an entirely different team than us.

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02-07-2013, 09:15 AM
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Can we offersheet or trade for Reilly?

Then we could have Reilly and Rielly play for the Leafs next year.

The offersheet would be a 2014 pick right?

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02-07-2013, 09:17 AM
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You have to wonder if they actually want to tank... I don't know if you've watched us and read what the organization has to say, but it's like they're watching an entirely different team than us.
Well if he's asking for 5.5M while Duchene is making 3.5...something is not right.

Trading him will get a good return and you also have to factor in the bad start for the Avs and the fact that this is a 48 game season.

Avs can take all the time in the world and let Reilly rot.

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I understand. I can't understand how the Av's are having an issue signing ROR period. Just sign him....i wouldn't be looking to trade him either.
It's actually kinda simple. This negotiation can set a precedent for our other kids who'll be needing long term contracts in the future. You think that if the avs just caved into Ryan's demands, Duchene, Landeskog, Varly and EJ won't remember that when it's time for their big long term deals? And if they just pay everyone what they want it'll be impossible to improve the defense and keep our forward depth. This is a shortened season, we're a young team not ready to contend for the cup, so the long term is more important and making sure you get the right deal with O'Reilly is more important than the couple more wins we'd have at this point if he had been with the team from day one and playing even better than we were last season.

Plus I'm pretty sure that Joe Sacco only has a job so that we can tank more effectively.

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02-07-2013, 09:18 AM
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O'Rielly is coming off a career year, but I still believe he's going to be overpaid for(in value) and may disappoint people if he doesn't produce similar numbers or decline.

Not sure what he'd be worth exactly, but apparently the Avalanche are skeptical about paying him the money he wants for a reason. They're not sure he can be worth the contract either.

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02-07-2013, 09:19 AM
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Futher to my earlier post as Ottawa I'd offer 3 years @ 4.75 to O'Reilly.

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Well if he's asking for 5.5M while Duchene is making 3.5...something is not right.

Trading him will get a good return and you also have to factor in the bad start for the Avs and the fact that this is a 48 game season.

Avs can take all the time in the world and let Reilly rot.
He's not asking for that though, close but on a 5 year deal. That's high, but not any higher than 17 over 5 is low in my opinion.

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02-07-2013, 09:21 AM
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Can we offersheet or trade for Reilly?

Then we could have Reilly and Rielly play for the Leafs next year.

The offersheet would be a 2014 pick right?
Yes.

Also, keep in mind that Burke was fired partially because he was a blowhard and partially because he still, to this day, refuses to take advantage of offer-sheets and long-term deals. Imagine what the Kessel deal would have looked like had we offer-sheet instead. Boston wouldn't have had Hamilton, just Seguin, Knight, and whoever a 3rd round pick would have been

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I think Friedman had it in his last 30 Thoughts column, but I remember reading one GM say something about offer sheets like

"After watching Nashville match an offer sheet like Weber's, what's the point of even trying it?"

If someone tries to offer sheet ROR, that solidifies the contract negotiations, and given the choice between not getting the contract they want and losing the player altogether, I think the Avs would have be nuts to let him go.

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02-07-2013, 09:29 AM
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You have to wonder if they actually want to tank... I don't know if you've watched us and read what the organization has to say, but it's like they're watching an entirely different team than us.
Agreed, but even if they wanted to tank/rebuild, ROR is the type of player you keep. I'd sign him and deal Stastny if i'm them

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