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02-06-2013, 07:57 AM
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Out of curiosity, why is Lindholm is people's top ten? Has he been particularly impressive in the AHL?
He was very good before he got his concussion, has not played since.

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02-06-2013, 08:10 AM
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Oh great, the resident embarrassing to isles fans poster is here to save the day.

He's lower because he hasn't elevated his game since being drafted, and other players have.
its probably because on our board the opinion is that reinhart in the #1 shutdown defender in the whl, perhaps the entire chl. That is what we drafted him for, not for fancy puck rushes (ok, griffin, you are allowed to do that too ). Dont really care where hf rates reinhart, but wanted to back startainfection up a little bit.

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02-06-2013, 08:25 AM
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LOL assuming the clear number 1 stays number 1 is more accurate then judging players on six NHL games. Realistically Nail and Galchenyuk both were dominant during the lockout.... only problem is Nail did it in the KHL which was the best league at the time.

Nail did play well in the KHL but that doesn't make him a better prospect for me. It's extremely close between the two for me, so I tend to lean towards the center with a 2-way game...just a personal preference when things are so close. It's not an apples to oranges comparison, but Gally's OHL season was also extremely impressive when you factor in the knee injury, the entire season wiped out and all...you have to wonder if Galchenyuk would be even better right now if had not missed a season of development.

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02-06-2013, 08:40 AM
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its probably because on our board the opinion is that reinhart in the #1 shutdown defender in the whl, perhaps the entire chl. That is what we drafted him for, not for fancy puck rushes (ok, griffin, you are allowed to do that too ). Dont really care where hf rates reinhart, but wanted to back startainfection up a little bit.

Will be a great player imho but I think the offense isn't where it should be for a 4th overall...he was a bit of a reach on draft day, and I'd say most posters here have him rated where they thought he would go on draft day.

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02-06-2013, 08:49 AM
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I always saw Yak-Galch as an extremely similar scenerio (aside from the knee injury) to Hall-Seguin also...

I see it more like the Crosby vs AO debate. I am certainly not saying that Yakupov or gally is as good as Sid or AO but the styles are similar.

Gally makes everyone around him better. Yakupov will need others to get him the puck to score.

Both good choices but id prefer an overall team guy vs a pure finisher.

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02-06-2013, 09:17 AM
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Yakupov
Reinhart
Reilly
Galychenuk
Murray


And why do people keep saying Seguin is a centre? When was he a centre in the NHL? Hall over Seguin everyday, all day.
And what have Rielly and Reinhart done to leap frog Galchenyuk in your standings? You're entitled to your opinion, i'm just curious.

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02-06-2013, 09:48 AM
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I see it more like the Crosby vs AO debate. I am certainly not saying that Yakupov or gally is as good as Sid or AO but the styles are similar.

Gally makes everyone around him better. Yakupov will need others to get him the puck to score.

Both good choices but id prefer an overall team guy vs a pure finisher.

Or use Ovie vs Malkin since they were from the same draft, so more direct comparison. Most will take the center, who as you already stated, makes those around him better.

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02-06-2013, 09:54 AM
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And what have Rielly and Reinhart done to leap frog Galchenyuk in your standings? You're entitled to your opinion, i'm just curious.

Very classy, such a rare gesture here I'm compelled to point it out

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02-06-2013, 11:29 AM
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Came here to say the same thing.

Yakupov might become the best offensive player between the two. But that not mean he'll be the best in his overall play. Im a homer, but I watched all Oilers games and all Habs games (as of now) and, right now, it aint a tough choice to make : Galchenyuk, is well more rounded defensively.

I'd pick Tyler Seguin 10 times outta 10, before Taylor Hall.

1) Galchenyuk
2) Yakupov
3) Grigorenko
4) Trouba
5) Vasilevski
6) Forsberg
7) Rielly
8) Murray
9) Lindholm
10) Reinhart
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02-06-2013, 11:49 AM
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This is way too early buy ill give it a shot;

Yakupov
Galchenyuk
Murray
Grigorenko
Rielly
Trouba
Lindholm
Reinhart
Forsberg
Teräväinen

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02-06-2013, 12:14 PM
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My draft order changed but not that much... except for Dumba who was very high on my list. Damn. Anyway, it looks like this:


#1 (#2): Alex Galchenyuk (The injury gamble took the first overall spot from him)
#2 (#1): Nail Yakupov (He's everything I tought he'd be. Gosh he's awesome)
#3 (#3): Mikhail Grigorenko (Yeah, I was shocked and still am)
#4 (#6): Morgan Rielly (He's way better than I tought he'd be.)
#5 (#8): Ryan Murray (Why is he up? I opened my eyes. )
#6 (#9): Jacob Trouba (Why is he up? Silly question)
#7 (#5): Teuvo Teravainen (Yep. He needs time. Do I care?)
#8 (#12): Hampus Lindholm (Had a feeling about that guy. He's worth the sixth)
#9 (#8) : Griffin Reinhart (I LOVE THE GUY. Still, I don't think he has enough tools.)
#10 (#7) : Filip Forsberg (I don't like what he brings as a top-10)

#4 was Dumba (I don't wanna talk about it) and #10 was Radek Faksa


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02-06-2013, 02:06 PM
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Nail did play well in the KHL but that doesn't make him a better prospect for me. It's extremely close between the two for me, so I tend to lean towards the center with a 2-way game...just a personal preference when things are so close. It's not an apples to oranges comparison, but Gally's OHL season was also extremely impressive when you factor in the knee injury, the entire season wiped out and all...you have to wonder if Galchenyuk would be even better right now if had not missed a season of development.
Yakupov had an injury mid ohl season to. So youd have to factor both injuries in

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02-07-2013, 01:15 AM
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This is way too early buy ill give it a shot;

Yakupov
Galchenyuk
Murray
Grigorenko
Rielly
Trouba
Lindholm
Reinhart
Forsberg
Teräväinen
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My draft order changed but not that much... except for Dumba who was very high on my list. Damn. Anyway, it looks like this:


#1 (#2): Alex Galchenyuk (The injury gamble took the first overall spot from him)
#2 (#1): Nail Yakupov (He's everything I tought he'd be. Gosh he's awesome)
#3 (#3): Mikhail Grigorenko (Yeah, I was shocked and still am)
#4 (#6): Morgan Rielly (He's way better than I tought he'd be.)
#5 (#8): Ryan Murray (Why is he up? I opened my eyes. )
#6 (#9): Jacob Trouba (Why is he up? Silly question)
#7 (#5): Teuvo Teravainen (Yep. He needs time. Do I care?)
#8 (#12): Hampus Lindholm (Had a feeling about that guy. He's worth the sixth)
#9 (#8) : Griffin Reinhart (I LOVE THE GUY. Still, I don't think he has enough tools.)
#10 (#7) : Filip Forsberg (I don't like what he brings as a top-10)

#4 was Dumba (I don't wanna talk about it) and #10 was Radek Faksa
Yeah at this point there's only one guy I'd switch out for Hampus and that's Trouba.I feel they're both very close, but I prefer Trouba's physicality.

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Out of curiosity, why is Lindholm is people's top ten? Has he been particularly impressive in the AHL?
Didn't know so many people were aware of this but he was VERY solid for Norfolk. As an 18 year old he was pretty much their best defenseman and there wasn't much debate. And I was skeptical of the pick. If Vatanen has been this serviceable in the NHL, that leads me to believe that when Lindholm is cleared to play again, he'll be a pretty solid defender right now. He would position himself so well that attacking forwards didn't know what to do. I remember one game versus the Whale, he made Kreider's life a living hell in that game and he wasn't even touching him. He would just take away all options from forwards. Not only that but after a while he started directing his forwards and telling them where to defend. Doubted the pick, but it was worth it based on what I've seen.


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02-07-2013, 01:47 AM
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1) Hampus Lindholm
2) Filip Forsberg
3) Alex Galchenyuk
4) Andrei Vasilevski
5) Radek Faksa
6) Sebastian Collberg
7) Nail Yakupov
8) Cody Ceci
9) Mikhail Grigorenko
10) Malcolm Subban


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1) Hampus Lindholm
2) Filip Forsberg
3) Alex Galchenyuk
5) Radek Faksa
6) Sebastian Collberg
7) Nail Yakupov
8) Cody Ceci
9) Mikhail Grigorenko
10) Malcolm Subban
wrong seems hell ! list this so holy

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02-07-2013, 02:27 AM
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Will be a great player imho but I think the offense isn't where it should be for a 4th overall...he was a bit of a reach on draft day, and I'd say most posters here have him rated where they thought he would go on draft day.
But most posters here never watch and therefore dont know **** about Reinhart.

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1) Hampus Lindholm
2) Filip Forsberg
3) Alex Galchenyuk
4) Andrei Vasilevski
5) Radek Faksa
6) Sebastian Collberg
7) Nail Yakupov
8) Cody Ceci
9) Mikhail Grigorenko
10) Malcolm Subban

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My draft order changed but not that much... except for Dumba who was very high on my list. Damn. Anyway, it looks like this:


#1 (#2): Alex Galchenyuk (The injury gamble took the first overall spot from him)
#2 (#1): Nail Yakupov (He's everything I tought he'd be. Gosh he's awesome)
#3 (#3): Mikhail Grigorenko (Yeah, I was shocked and still am)
#4 (#6): Morgan Rielly (He's way better than I tought he'd be.)
#5 (#8): Ryan Murray (Why is he up? I opened my eyes. )
#6 (#9): Jacob Trouba (Why is he up? Silly question)
#7 (#5): Teuvo Teravainen (Yep. He needs time. Do I care?)
#8 (#12): Hampus Lindholm (Had a feeling about that guy. He's worth the sixth)
#9 (#8) : Griffin Reinhart (I LOVE THE GUY. Still, I don't think he has enough tools.)
#10 (#7) : Filip Forsberg (I don't like what he brings as a top-10)

#4 was Dumba (I don't wanna talk about it) and #10 was Radek Faksa

I'm with you on Dumba. I thought he was possibly the best defender in the draft. Well.... it's not over for him of course, but he's clearly not the best.

For me Trouba has risen significantly. I liked him, but not as much as I should have. The guy is just getting better every game. Galchenyuk has only confirmed to me that he's a stud, still I don't have enough info either way to say him over Yakupov at this point. Both guys are playing great.

I also agree on Grigorenko. I still don't get how teams let him fall that far.

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02-07-2013, 02:58 AM
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I think the Ducks still pick Lindholm over any defender drafted after him. He was our best defender in the AHL at 18 in his first season in NA.

I am loving the pick. Trouba is legit but I still like Lindholm more.

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02-07-2013, 07:42 AM
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But most posters here never watch and therefore dont know **** about Reinhart.
What spot do you think he should have gone?

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1.Galchenyuk
2.Yakupov
3.Murray
4.Trouba
5.Forsberg
6.Reilly
7.Reinhart
8.Lindholm
9.Pouliot
10.Grigorenko

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Didn't know so many people were aware of this but he was VERY solid for Norfolk. As an 18 year old he was pretty much their best defenseman and there wasn't much debate. And I was skeptical of the pick. If Vatanen has been this serviceable in the NHL, that leads me to believe that when Lindholm is cleared to play again, he'll be a pretty solid defender right now. He would position himself so well that attacking forwards didn't know what to do. I remember one game versus the Whale, he made Kreider's life a living hell in that game and he wasn't even touching him. He would just take away all options from forwards. Not only that but after a while he started directing his forwards and telling them where to defend. Doubted the pick, but it was worth it based on what I've seen.
Thanks for this very useful reply, and others as well. Just goes to show what you can learn if you ask an honest open question.

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I'm with you on Dumba. I thought he was possibly the best defender in the draft. Well.... it's not over for him of course, but he's clearly not the best.

For me Trouba has risen significantly. I liked him, but not as much as I should have. The guy is just getting better every game. Galchenyuk has only confirmed to me that he's a stud, still I don't have enough info either way to say him over Yakupov at this point. Both guys are playing great.

I also agree on Grigorenko. I still don't get how teams let him fall that far.
I guess it's the Subban-feel I got from Dumba. The hidden potential that could elevate the guy to proportions way ahead of what he's bringing right now. In fact, Trouba had it.

Galchenyuk brings such a complete offensive game, the guy will produce with whatever kind of teammates you'll give him. That's why I was and still am so high on the guy. So much, he's ahead of Yakupov to me.

Grigorenko probably scared scouts. They didn't want to be the guy that seek only talent and doesn't think about the personality . Thus, they prefered to bet on a mix of good-potential & good personnality instead of the offensive star with personality issue.

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I guess it's the Subban-feel I got from Dumba. The hidden potential that could elevate the guy to proportions way ahead of what he's bringing right now. In fact, Trouba had it.

Galchenyuk brings such a complete offensive game, the guy will produce with whatever kind of teammates you'll give him. That's why I was and still am so high on the guy. So much, he's ahead of Yakupov to me.

Grigorenko probably scared scouts. They didn't want to be the guy that seek only talent and doesn't think about the personality . Thus, they prefered to bet on a mix of good-potential & good personnality instead of the offensive star with personality issue.
News to me.

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News to me.
I, too, doesn't think that. Still, it looks like the scouts did.

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