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Ryan O'Reilly Headed to Offer Sheet or Trade?

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02-07-2013, 09:29 AM
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I think Friedman had it in his last 30 Thoughts column, but I remember reading one GM say something about offer sheets like

"After watching Nashville match an offer sheet like Weber's, what's the point of even trying it?"

If someone tries to offer sheet ROR, that solidifies the contract negotiations, and given the choice between not getting the contract they want and losing the player altogether, I think the Avs would have be nuts to let him go.
All situations are unique. Weber is the kind of asset you always match, even at league max. ROR is the kind of asset that could go sour if you overpay via offer-sheet and therefore may not be matched if the dollar amount is too high for his home club

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02-07-2013, 09:43 AM
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Avs would be crazy to trade him somewhere in western conference,not to mention NW division.

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02-07-2013, 10:03 AM
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All situations are unique. Weber is the kind of asset you always match, even at league max. ROR is the kind of asset that could go sour if you overpay via offer-sheet and therefore may not be matched if the dollar amount is too high for his home club
I think the Avs would match anything up to say $5.25 million, and I don't believe that any team out there is foolish enough to offer him more than that.

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02-07-2013, 10:16 AM
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He's not going to get offersheeted. The GMs have a gentlemens agreement and they don't want to inflate RFA values. Sherman would be crucified if he offered too much and destroyed the market

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I hope he remains unsigned so Oilers can offersheet him in the offseason.

Seth Jones(finish 17th, wins lotto) + ROR

Oilers troll HF once again
...still miss the playoffs.

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02-07-2013, 10:46 AM
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I don't see why he hasn't been offer-sheeted already. Not up to speed on the situation but it seems like thats the only way he'll get the money he's looking for. Its just business
It's really simple; for offer sheets especially in this situation you will have to overpay.

Avs will match anything under 5.5.

Anything over 5-5.5+ will give us a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, which any team wouldn't mind taking.

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I hope he remains unsigned so Oilers can offersheet him in the offseason.

Seth Jones(finish 17th, wins lotto) + ROR

Oilers troll HF once again
I wouldn't call it trolling, when it is more like sucking....

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02-07-2013, 10:48 AM
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if i reckon, he was offered $5M for 2 years or $17M for 5 years.

there isn't much other info out there.
They should just give him $3.5 for 2 years and be done with it.

They need him, he's a very good player for them, and likely would have been the next Captain had they not drafted Landeskog.

I'd love to see an offersheet in this case, I want to see O'reilly playing soon.

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02-07-2013, 10:54 AM
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He's not going to get offersheeted. The GMs have a gentlemens agreement and they don't want to inflate RFA values. Sherman would be crucified if he offered too much and destroyed the market
Someone want to talk to Predators about "Gentlemens agreements"

And if they have such agreement ,, Then expect NHLPA to file a lawsuit against NHL for collusion as what you claim is against the law

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They should just give him $3.5 for 2 years and be done with it.

They need him, he's a very good player for them, and likely would have been the next Captain had they not drafted Landeskog.

I'd love to see an offersheet in this case, I want to see O'reilly playing soon.
He has and 2yr x 3.5 M bridge contract right in front of him on the table.
Same contract as Duchene.

Only Jehova knows why he does not sign it. He feels he is worth more.
That is the friggin problem...

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Kessel for ROR + 1st

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They should just give him $3.5 for 2 years and be done with it.

They need him, he's a very good player for them, and likely would have been the next Captain had they not drafted Landeskog.

I'd love to see an offersheet in this case, I want to see O'reilly playing soon.
They actually offered him, according to Dater, 7M over 2 years, and 17M over 5 years.

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They should just give him $3.5 for 2 years and be done with it.

They need him, he's a very good player for them, and likely would have been the next Captain had they not drafted Landeskog.

I'd love to see an offersheet in this case, I want to see O'reilly playing soon.
It's clear he doesn't want to play for the Avs.

And if I were him, I would be looking for a 5+ year contract at 4 million per, as he has only had one decent season. He's probably looking to cash in because he is not confident that he can continue to produce like that. And furthermore, given the glut of high qual centers with the Avs, he may not even be given the opportunity if he performs poorly as there are other centers that can chew up big minutes.

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It's clear he doesn't want to play for the Avs.

And if I were him, I would be looking for a 5+ year contract at 4 million per, as he has only had one decent season. He's probably looking to cash in because he is not confident that he can continue to produce like that. And furthermore, given the glut of high qual centers with the Avs, he may not even be given the opportunity if he performs poorly as there are other centers that can chew up big minutes.
The bolded parts are probably the most accurate.

However, it really is a ridiculous stance for ROR to take seeing as how last year, he was given top minutes based on his performance.

But now, because the relationship soured, he's most probably lost his best linemate, Landeskog, to another center on the avs.

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02-07-2013, 11:04 AM
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Kessel for ROR + 1st
The inclusion of our first round pick this year is going to kibosh any deal for the avs this year.

With so much injury problems, theres no chance we trade 2 assets, who we can retain their rights for yearS, for Kessel.

Dont get me wrong, Kessel is a fine player who would undoubtedly inject some much needed creativity on offense, but the fact we could lose him in a year and a half, makes a gross mismanagement of assets.

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02-07-2013, 11:06 AM
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Hawks armchair GM here....

Would Bolland/Sharp and a prospect like Morin be enough to bring RoR to Chicago? Hawks don't have a 2nd or a 3rd rounder so don't see them offering picks to Avs
Sharp > RoR IMO

Sharp is struggling this year but he is still a better player


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Kessel for ROR + 1st
Ok I would do that, but

1st in 2013 would be top 29 protected and the 1st in 2014 would top 15 protection.

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Ok I would do that, but

1st in 2013 would be top 29 protected and the 1st in 2014 would top 15 protection.
And if we pick top 15 in 2014 it becomes a 2nd and 4th.

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They actually offered him, according to Dater, 7M over 2 years, and 17M over 5 years.
Oh.

The way I read that was they offered him $5 over 2 years.

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Would love to see someone offersheet Ryan. I actually think that's what both sides are hoping for. The Avs get to sign Ryan to a pricier long term deal, 4-4.5 per for 5ish, without the other youngsters being able to point to this negotiation in the future since the team was forced into the better. Ryan gets the money and commitment he wants.

Unfortunately I think the chances of him actually getting offersheeted are non-existent, but it would still be the ideal resolution.




Here are the draft pick compensation figures for the 2012-13 season:

$1,110,249 or below No Compensation

Over $1,110,249 to $1,682,194 3rd round pick

Over $1,682,194 to $3,364,391 2nd round pick

Over $3,364,391 to $5,046,585 1st round pick, 3rd

Over $5,046,585 to $6,728,781 1st round pick, 2nd, 3rd

Over $6,728,781 To $8,410,976 Two 1st Round Picks, 2nd, 3rd

Over $8,410,976 Four 1st Round Picks

This.

Unless a team gives him a 2 yr 3.36 per [6.72 million dollar deal], and Av's aren't willing to pay up the extra 1.2 million

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Ok I would do that, but

1st in 2013 would be top 29 protected and the 1st in 2014 would top 15 protection.
the '13 1st can be top 10 protected. I don't see the Avs finishing that low anyway

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I'm actually surprised at this point a team hasn't stepped up and signed him to an OS. Screw it, times up Colorado, poop or get off the pot.

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Oh.

The way I read that was they offered him $5 over 2 years.
Oh if this is true, scratch my OS post.

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Personally, i'd match any offerhseet O'Reilly gets unless we are getting a minimum of Two 1st Round Picks, 2nd, 3rd in return. We have the cap space to eat it, it won't effect future contract negotiations, and i'm not giving him away for anything less than fair value, which a first, second and third aren't unless they're quite high.

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Would love to se the Leafs offer 5.5 x 3/4 with 5 mil signing bonuses on top. If we're going offersheet we may as well make it as hard as possible to match.

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And if we pick top 15 in 2014 it becomes a 2nd and 4th.
I like that.

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