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02-06-2013, 06:03 PM
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To Toronto:
Joe Morrow

To Pittsburgh:
Nikolai Kulemin
Conditional Pick (2nd if leafs make playoffs, 3rd if they don't)

Leafs have D-Prospect's but Morrow would be our best prospect after Rielly.
It's a deep draft so instead of offering a 2nd, did a 3rd, in case the pick is a 30-40 pick.

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02-06-2013, 06:15 PM
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There's no way toronto adds to this in any way. Joe Morrow is a great prospect but Kulemin is proven. Pitts would add another C-D prospect or the trade would be player for player.

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Not willing to give up Morrow unless it's in a package to acquire an elite winger.

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02-06-2013, 06:22 PM
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Kulemin plays the PK, and is our best forechecker. I don't want him dealt at all as I'd much rather deal MacArthur, Bozak etc., but Kulemin is a good fit with Pittsburgh alongside Malkin and if they aren't willing to give up Morrow then Toronto is much better off keeping Kulemin going forward. There is no other fit.

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like BigBenSF said, the Pens shouldn't trade their best prospect unless it's in a package for someone better.

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02-06-2013, 06:27 PM
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I'd like to see Kuli play beside Malkin, but giving up Morrow for him would be awful.

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Why the hell would Toronto give Pitts a 2nd? or a 3rd even?

If we get Morrow and then happen to make it to the playoffs it won't be because of him...

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I can see the Pens moving a prospect+ for a winger... but I don't think that prospect will be Morrow. I'd think Maatta/Despres would be the first to go. Or Dumoulin.

I'd do something around Maatta + a 3rd.

Or try and find a way to get both Kule and MacA. No clue what that would cost. But would still be very very hesitant to move Morrow. He's potentially the PPQB we don't currently have.

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02-06-2013, 07:46 PM
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02-06-2013, 07:55 PM
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I can see the Pens moving a prospect+ for a winger... but I don't think that prospect will be Morrow. I'd think Maatta/Despres would be the first to go. Or Dumoulin.

I'd do something around Maatta + a 3rd.

Or try and find a way to get both Kule and MacA. No clue what that would cost. But would still be very very hesitant to move Morrow. He's potentially the PPQB we don't currently have.
Maatta and a 3rd isn't close, but, for Leafs fans, see the bolded section. The Pens have nobody like Morrow in this regard. And, if you've seen Kris Letang QB a PP, you'll know why he's perhaps their only fully untouchable defensive prospect (note, fully untouchable meaning unless it sealed a deal for Bobby Ryan).

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Wouldn't want to move Morrow. Kid has unbelievable potential.

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Neither team wants to do this, fine by me.

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02-06-2013, 08:01 PM
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To Toronto:
Joe Morrow

To Pittsburgh:
Nikolai Kulemin
Conditional Pick (2nd if leafs make playoffs, 3rd if they don't)

Leafs have D-Prospect's but Morrow would be our best prospect after Rielly.
It's a deep draft so instead of offering a 2nd, did a 3rd, in case the pick is a 30-40 pick.
We have been told you have too many D prospects ... too many B prospects (meaning late first round picks and later which Morrow fits the bill). That said, if I'm Pittsburgh, I pass on this.

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I can see the Pens moving a prospect+ for a winger... but I don't think that prospect will be Morrow. I'd think Maatta/Despres would be the first to go. Or Dumoulin.

I'd do something around Maatta + a 3rd.

Or try and find a way to get both Kule and MacA. No clue what that would cost. But would still be very very hesitant to move Morrow. He's potentially the PPQB we don't currently have.
Despres isn't going anywhere. Why can't you see that? There would be a HUGE void in the lineup.

Maatta and a third won't get Kulemin. MacArthur? Why? He is a pending free agent; would require adding a second round pick and he isn't a solution at all.

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02-07-2013, 11:41 AM
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To my fellow Leaf fans who for some reason think Kulemin has more value than Morrow, you're crazy.

Any neutral fan will tell your Morrow has much higher value and a lot of potential.

Is Pouliot an option?

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To my fellow Leaf fans who for some reason think Kulemin has more value than Morrow, you're crazy.

Any neutral fan will tell your Morrow has much higher value and a lot of potential.

Is Pouliot an option?
Morrow won't be moved unless it is in a package for an elite winger. I'm a big Kumy fan, but Shero isn't moving him for Kumy.

DP may be available in time if Morrow works out, but I doubt he will be moved right now.

Morrow and DP I am more than certain won't be moved unless they are part of a package for a young, elite winger signed long term. Since those kind of guys are rarely on the block, I'd say these two aren't being moved anytime soon.

Some will argue, but the most likely to be moved if Shero deals for Kumy IMHO are Nisky, Maatta or Harrington.

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02-07-2013, 11:59 AM
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To my fellow Leaf fans who for some reason think Kulemin has more value than Morrow, you're crazy.

Any neutral fan will tell your Morrow has much higher value and a lot of potential.

Is Pouliot an option?
Not this year, it would be really dumb for Shero to move him now unless were talking Kessel not Kuly

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02-07-2013, 12:12 PM
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Not this year, it would be really dumb for Shero to move him now unless were talking Kessel not Kuly
I'd rather send Pouliott to Toronto for Kulemin than Kessel and its not close. Kessel is a one dimensional player that doesn't add much when he isn't scoring. Kulemin, even when he isn't scoring, he plays solid defense and uses the body. Pass on Kessel.

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02-07-2013, 12:15 PM
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The three solid specs on D for Pens besides Pouliot and Morrow is Despres.

Is he an option? If not it's a bit of a drop to Maata.

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The three solid specs on D for Pens besides Pouliot and Morrow is Despres.

Is he an option? If not it's a bit of a drop to Maata.
No, Despres isn't an option.

Maatta would have been drafted in the top 10 last year if not for an injury. He is highly-regarded

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02-07-2013, 12:18 PM
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No, Despres isn't an option.

Maatta would have been drafted in the top 10 last year if not for an injury. He is highly-regarded
He's good an all, he's just a clear level below Morrow/Despres/Pouliott

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I'd rather send Pouliott to Toronto for Kulemin than Kessel and its not close. Kessel is a one dimensional player that doesn't add much when he isn't scoring. Kulemin, even when he isn't scoring, he plays solid defense and uses the body. Pass on Kessel.
Are you saying for the same price you would take Kulemin before Kessel?

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Are you saying for the same price you would take Kulemin before Kessel?
I think the price for Kulemin relative to Leaf fans is a bit much. That said, and I wouldn't offer this in a million years, but if Pittsburgh offered a first and say Morrow (example) and chose between Kulemin and Kessel for that package, I'd take Kulemin. I value him much more than the one dimensional Kessel. Kulemin uses the body, can score 20 goals maybe and plays defense. While Kessel's numbers look sexy, if he isn't scoring, he isn't worth anything to Pittsburgh or anyone else.

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