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01-30-2013, 04:30 PM
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I know complaining about the Bruins PP is one of the beloved and cherished pastime on this board, but looking at the numbers, to me the place where the Bruins are most deficient is drawing penalties, rather than scoring on the power plays. I just compiled all the power play opportunities of the past 5 seasons, or basically the Claude Julien as Bruins coach era (not including 2012-2103) for all 30 teams.

According to NHL.com, from 2007-08 through 2011-12, there were 46754 power play opportunities for the 30 teams. This resulted in 8,452 goals for a conversation rate of 18.08% league wide.

Here are the top 10 teams in terms of # of chances.

Carolina = 309 goals in 1766 chances for a 17.50% rate
Pittsburgh = 301 goals in 1664 chances for a 18.09% rate
Detroit = 345 goals in 1650 chances for a 20.91% rate
Philadelphia = 338 goals in 1648 chances for a 20.51 % rate
Vancouver = 327 goals in 1635 chances for a 20.00% rate
Los Angeles Kings = 293 goals in 1615 chances for a 18.14% rate
Columbus = 241 goals in 1604 chances for a 15.02 % rate
San Jose = 347 goals in 1602 chances for a 21.66% rate
Montreal = 319 goals in 1600 chances for a 19.94% rate
New York Rangers = 257 goals in 1587 for a 16.19% success rate.

The Bruins are second to last in total chances, with 1,412. (New Jersey is last with 1,404). In those 1,412 opportunities the Bruins have scored 260 goals, for an 18.41% conversion rate. Admittedly this data set is skewed by the 2008-2009 season when the Bruins converted at a 23.8% rate, where in the other four season they've been between 16-17%

The problem I see is that too many people focus on the raw success rate, without context of the rest of the league (or the rest of how the Bruins score goals. In that same 5 year period, the Bruins have the 8th most goals scored overall).

Success rate is meaningless when the number of power play opportunities is so skewed.

Using the data from the past 5 seasons and some rudimentary statistics, in an average season, it is to be expected that the middle 20 teams of all NHL teams should have a power play percentage of between 19.3% and 16.8% which in terms of raw goals should be 50-63 goals. That's the average for the 5 years.

Each season will vary some. For example, in 2011-2012, there should be about 20 teams with between 248 and 294 opportunities, and scored between 40 and 54 goals, for a success rate of between 16.1 and 18.3%. In fact there were 22 teams within this range for both total opportunities and goals. The Bruins were in both ranges with 250 chances and 43 goals, but both were below the average.

This proves the Bruins have an average power play. Which we all know. But it's not a negative. It's more like holding serve in one area, and dominating in another area. Powerplay goals are only about 1/4th of total goals scored. The Bruins have been dominant 5 on 5 under Claude, and I'd much rather be significantly dominant in one area that accounts for 70% of goals, and slightly below average in the other 30%, than completely dominant in the 30% and below average in the 70%. Keep in mind in the past two years they've scored the second most goals, and in the past 5 years under Claude the Bruins have scored the 8th most goals. Having and slightly below average power play while being one of the best scoring teams in the league is a nice problem to have.

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01-30-2013, 04:51 PM
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1. Play your best players regardless of position/tenure/status.
2. Give more time to the first unit.

Unit #1

Chara
Hamilton
Lucic
Krejci
Seguin

Unit #2

Boychuk
Bergeron
Marchand
Horton
xxxxxx

Now, if you don't need 10 total guys...fine by me. Roll with the nine guys I mentioned.

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01-30-2013, 04:57 PM
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Our forwards need to make better decisions with the puck. When you look at our best PP units, it's always the same pattern: People in front of the net, 3-4 passes with a shot coming from the D-man. A simple design but a very effective one. When it becomes to the PP, this team is suffering from overpassing and a guilty pleasure called: the perfect play.

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01-30-2013, 05:12 PM
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It been the same issue even during the cup run . Maybe Dougie will help but like to see what Spooner can do .

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01-30-2013, 06:16 PM
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All this teams needs to do is get some video on Tampa's powerplay and do what they do.

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01-30-2013, 07:09 PM
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All this teams needs to do is get some video on Tampa's powerplay and do what they do.
Totally different personnel imho. They could never emulate it.

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01-30-2013, 10:00 PM
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F Lucic Seguin Krejci
D Hamilton Chara

F Horton Bergy Marchand
D Seguin Hamilton

We need to take Peverley off the point he sucks there absolutly destroys the second unit.

CJ and company should take the pp guys aside (5minutes before a game) and just yell at them to shoot hold the note for 25 seconds and slam the door

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01-31-2013, 06:23 AM
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Better structure and consistency. Game 1. against the rangers was a perfect example of what it should look like every time.

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02-07-2013, 08:46 AM
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...and so it continues...

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02-07-2013, 08:55 AM
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...and so it continues...
and? what's your point? or the point of this thread or the point of anyone and everyone who continues to put their head in the sand when the B's rack up W after W with no PP goals in sight? We got no PP goals, they had 1. Think they'd like to be in our situation this morning?

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and? what's your point? or the point of this thread or the point of anyone and everyone who continues to put their head in the sand when the B's rack up W after W with no PP goals in sight? We got no PP goals, they had 1. Think they'd like to be in our situation this morning?
The point is this...

Are they a better team with the power play in its current state or with a power play that is clicking at a 20% rate, heck, even a 15% rate?

I am happy that this team is playing like they are right now, but I also want them to maximize their potential, and that means having a power play that functions at the level of its talent. This team is talented enough to have a better power play.

Heck, they could win the cup without it again, but I would give them a much better chance of doing that with a power play that is clicking on all cylinders.

I want another cup, that's the point, I guess.

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02-07-2013, 10:50 AM
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The point is this...

Are they a better team with the power play in its current state or with a power play that is clicking at a 20% rate, heck, even a 15% rate?

I am happy that this team is playing like they are right now, but I also want them to maximize their potential, and that means having a power play that functions at the level of its talent. This team is talented enough to have a better power play.

Heck, they could win the cup without it again, but I would give them a much better chance of doing that with a power play that is clicking on all cylinders.

I want another presidents trophy, that's the point, I guess.
fixed.

a 20% PP is fools gold. just ask the sharks or whoever else has PP firing on all cylinders and then come playoff time find out the hard way that calls that came in the reg season aren't called in the playoffs.

You want another cup? then you'll monitor the teams that are tops in 5 on 5 scoring and leading the league on the PK.

PP for show, PK for dough!

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02-07-2013, 11:06 AM
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a 20% PP is fools gold. just ask the sharks or whoever else has PP firing on all cylinders and then come playoff time find out the hard way that calls that came in the reg season aren't called in the playoffs.

You want another cup? then you'll monitor the teams that are tops in 5 on 5 scoring and leading the league on the PK.

PP for show, PK for dough!
Thank you for altering what I wrote to suit your argument.

How about this: a great five on five team AND a team that can score on the PP when needed! I don't buy into the fact that since this team has been successful, we are all just supposed to sit back and ignore the obvious flaws that they possess. I want this team to play to its maximum capabilities, and that will give us the BEST chance of winning another CUP, who gives a rat's behind about the President's trophy.

And as far as, "What's the point of this thread, or talking about the PP," well, what's the point of any of this? What's the point of this board? Of any of these threads? People like to talk about the team, things they like, things they would like to see improve.

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02-07-2013, 11:23 AM
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If Paille is back next game, on the first power play, the Bruins should roll out Paille-Campbell-MacDermid-Ference-McQuaid.

The stars aren't producing, and they don't deserve the minutes until they do. Send a message.

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02-07-2013, 11:24 AM
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Hey why don't we all send them a letter? A letter expressing our thoughts and wishes that we would seriously like them to change their approach to the PP! And FIX it. I mean clearly it is Coach Julien and the rest of them that are at fault. Not just the PP coach or what have ya.

Could you imagine how much more potent our team would be if we had a Good PP!? Just imagine what this team would be able to achieve if it had a PP that was in the top 10. Talk about hate lol Everyone would really hate us than! Let us all send a letter asking Bruin brass to please address the PP once and for all.

St. Louis Blues 9 12 36 33.3
Tampa Bay Lightning 9 13 40 32.5
Edmonton Oilers 10 13 46 28.3
Ottawa Senators 10 9 33 27.3
Anaheim Ducks 9 8 30 26.7
Calgary Flames 7 8 30 26.7
San Jose Sharks 10 13 53 24.5
Pittsburgh Penguins 10 9 37 24.3
New York Islanders 9 9 38 23.7
Winnipeg Jets 9 9 38 23.7


2nd to last place.Boston Bruins 9 3 34 8.8


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02-07-2013, 11:28 AM
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I am tired of hearing, add this player to the PP, take this player out, add this one in.. ITS NOT WORKING!! Who ever you put in, it doesn't matter as they still stink it up.. I'm speaking in regard to our personal, our roster of course. What they need is, They need to fix their approach, their strategy on the PP.. That's what it is.

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02-07-2013, 11:36 AM
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I wonder what Ladyfan thinks of the B's PP. And the other season ticket holders who get to meet some of the Bruin brass and players once a year etc.. That would be the first thing out of my mouth, if I got too meet any of them now.. I would love to ask Peter C what he thinks of our teams PP. And I wouldn't let him BS me either.

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02-07-2013, 11:43 AM
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I think mostly they lack the skills to produce as a top team on the PP. This team is built on 2 way players, smart plays, defence, strong effort, and board work. They have offensive skills and can score when things click, but based on pure offensive ability, think team lacks some puck skills. Team needs to get better and can on the PP, but way team is built, the PP is no surprise this teams biggest challenge for the coaching staff, has been and will continue to be...

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02-07-2013, 11:50 AM
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If Paille is back next game, on the first power play, the Bruins should roll out Paille-Campbell-MacDermid-Ference-McQuaid.

The stars aren't producing, and they don't deserve the minutes until they do. Send a message.
That really solves nothing. You pull that kind of stuff if the team and the stars are playing poorly and you want to send a message they need to be better. The players aren't playing poorly, they are 7-1-1. They are just struggling on the PP and aren't generating chances.

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I think mostly they lack the skills to produce as a top team on the PP. This team is built on 2 way players, smart plays, defence, strong effort, and board work. They have offensive skills and can score when things click, but based on pure offensive ability, think team lacks some puck skills. Team needs to get better and can on the PP, but way team is built, the PP is no surprise this teams biggest challenge for the coaching staff, has been and will continue to be...
The Bruins first unit absolutely has the puck skills to score at a much higher clip. Chara is a big problem with the first unit, though. He always tries to fake a shot and make a fancy play. Opposing PKers can see this and they play aggressively on him instead of respecting his shot, which usually leads to breaking up the play. Next time Boston gets a PP, they should just set Chara up for point shots and Chara should be told by the coaching staff to take the shot every time.

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02-07-2013, 11:51 AM
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That really solves nothing. You pull that kind of stuff if the team and the stars are playing poorly and you want to send a message they need to be better. The players aren't playing poorly, they are 7-1-1. They are just struggling on the PP and aren't generating chances.
Rolling the normal power play units does nothing because they don't score and are lucky if they can even get a shot on goal.

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02-07-2013, 11:54 AM
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I am tired of hearing, add this player to the PP, take this player out, add this one in.. ITS NOT WORKING!! Who ever you put in, it doesn't matter as they still stink it up.. I'm speaking in regard to our personal, our roster of course. What they need is, They need to fix their approach, their strategy on the PP.. That's what it is.
The good power plays have much more movement than ours. They have a forward cutting down the slot. A defensemen sliding down for the backdoor pass. Savvy used to hit Chara on that a lot. Don't even try any longer. Movement. Our PP tends to pass the puck around the perimiter with the guys being pretty stationary. Really easy to defend. However, you need the right personnel for that. Puck-possession guys. That can dangle the puck a bit. You can't move the puck if you have guys out there without good vision(from a hockey sense). Love Looch, but he's not a top unit pp guy. We have 2/3 of what I'm looking for. Seguin and Krejci. I don't feel we have that 3rd forward on our roster. Hope the deadline pickup we get can be that guy. At the point, Dougie and Chara are our best options. Dougie to qb it and Chara to bomb away. Other than his shot, Chara isn't an ideal point guy. Stick handling isn't his strong suit. The other point guy would have to replace Ference or McQuaid as a regular defenseman. I doubt we would/should sacrifice one of them for a power-play specialist. A la Kaberle.

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All I know, and one doesn't have to be a expert on the game of hockey, to know that the PP is a huge part of the game. It's like a turnover in football, a fumble an interception etc. You must capitalize on these chances, specially in those crucial games. The teams that do usually have allot of success.


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The good power plays have much more movement than ours. They have a forward cutting down the slot. A defensemen sliding down for the backdoor pass. Savvy used to hit Chara on that a lot. Don't even try any longer. Movement. Our PP tends to pass the puck around the perimiter with the guys being pretty stationary. Really easy to defend. However, you need the right personnel for that. Puck-possession guys. That can dangle the puck a bit. You can't move the puck if you have guys out there without good vision(from a hockey sense). Love Looch, but he's not a top unit pp guy. We have 2/3 of what I'm looking for. Seguin and Krejci. I don't feel we have that 3rd forward on our roster. Hope the deadline pickup we get can be that guy. At the point, Dougie and Chara are our best options. Dougie to qb it and Chara to bomb away. Other than his shot, Chara isn't an ideal point guy. Stick handling isn't his strong suit. The other point guy would have to replace Ference or McQuaid as a regular defenseman. I doubt we would/should sacrifice one of them for a power-play specialist. A la Kaberle.
I agree with everything you said. Our PP is too stationary, not enough movement, stick handling etc. DBL explains that also in his post that its the skill level. I tend to agree with that also. It's just amazing that we have been winning for the most part, with this PP now for the last couple of seasons. But were not going to go far in the postseason if we don't capitalize on one of the most important parts of the game and that is the PP.

Pretty much ever since Savvy got hurt is when our PP went to crap.

Pardon me that I have like 4, 5 post's in the thread in like 10min but.. I just can't believe that this has been going on now for years.. Again DBL may well be right that these guys just may not have good puck skills.. I don't know ... Enuff out of me..


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Pretty much ever since Savvy got hurt is when our PP went to crap.
He's exactly what we're lacking. Covered up for Chara's lack of play-making from the point. He did it from the half wall. Allowed Big Z to bomb away from the point by drawing attention to him and had the on-ice vision/passing skills to hit a moving target.

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