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Ryan O'Reilly Headed to Offer Sheet or Trade?

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02-07-2013, 11:36 AM
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At this stage, if I'm the Avs, he only has to sit out what like 30 games? Just needs to wait 2 more months. Bargaining chip is with RoR IMO, Colorado needs to trade his ass or watch him walk in the offseason.

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02-07-2013, 11:37 AM
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Would love to se the Leafs offer 5.5 x 3/4 with 5 mil signing bonuses on top. If we're going offersheet we may as well make it as hard as possible to match.
So 21.5 over 3 or 27 over 4... 7.167 or 6.75 average. I'd gladly let the leafs end the O'Reilly saga for their next 2 1sts and a 2nd/3rd in 2013.

We'd retool in this draft alone, hopefully have a sucky enough season that it ends the Sacco era in Colorado and we can finally get this all over with.

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At this stage, if I'm the Avs, he only has to sit out what like 30 games? Just needs to wait 2 more months. Bargaining chip is with RoR IMO, Colorado needs to trade his ass or watch him walk in the offseason.
He's a RFA without arbitration rights and will have 4 more years before becoming a UFA IF he signs right now, otherwise 5 years if he doesn't sign. Have fun playing anywhere but North America.

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02-07-2013, 11:45 AM
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The bum wants to much money.

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Sharp > RoR IMO

Sharp is struggling this year but he is still a better player
I agree, but RoR is also 21/22 years old. With his 2 way game I could see him getting better, especially under Toews' tutillage

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02-07-2013, 11:54 AM
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shhh.... I'm dreaming lol
Bah don't worry blues fan. You're gonna get Stastny. Either by a trade or by him walking when he's a UFA.

Watch him destroy the league with Stewart on his wing

E: Or schultz.
E: Or holy **** Taresenko. can't believe he slipped my mind

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02-07-2013, 11:54 AM
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Seeing how Spezza went down this season and Murray trade history with Colorado, I could see him being proactive here.

Not sure what we will give up though.

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So 21.5 over 3 or 27 over 4... 7.167 or 6.75 average. I'd gladly let the leafs end the O'Reilly saga for their next 2 1sts and a 2nd/3rd in 2013.

We'd retool in this draft alone, hopefully have a sucky enough season that it ends the Sacco era in Colorado and we can finally get this all over with.



He's a RFA without arbitration rights and will have 4 more years before becoming a UFA IF he signs right now, otherwise 5 years if he doesn't sign. Have fun playing anywhere but North America.
It would be a 1st, 2nd and 3rd. Signing bonus doesnt count against cap hit.

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After missing four months of hockey to get lower costs, it's very unlikely any GM will challenge the system and try to inflate second contracts by giving O'Reilly an offer sheet that is so big (about $6M/year) that Avs won't match.

Most GMs have an interest in keeping second contracts down. Hence all the comments about Bergeron not having to buy drinks at the next GM meeting for holding his ground with Subban. Avs are doing the same thing here.

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02-07-2013, 11:58 AM
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So far, I think he'd be the most impressive in the Chicago lineup. I just wish something would happen with the guy already; I really like the game he brings and it seems like a shame to have a talented young guy sit out, from a completely unaffected point of view. I just want to see the kid playing when I watch Avs games on center ice.

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02-07-2013, 12:00 PM
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It's really simple; for offer sheets especially in this situation you will have to overpay.

Avs will match anything under 5.5.

Anything over 5-5.5+ will give us a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, which any team wouldn't mind taking.
Whether its 5 or 5.6, I don't the compensation will be worth ROR for at least 3 years, if ever.

An offer-sheet at least puts this to bed, either ROR stays with the Avs or he moves on to another team who overpays for him.

I just don't see why 30 teams in the league would let this guy sit at home

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02-07-2013, 12:01 PM
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It would be a 1st, 2nd and 3rd. Signing bonus doesnt count against cap hit.
Unless that was something I missed in the latest CBA, it most assuredly does.

Tyler Myers doesn't have a 3mil caphit, he has a 5.5 due to the first couple years of signing bonuses.

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It would be a 1st, 2nd and 3rd. Signing bonus doesnt count against cap hit.
Yes it does.

Otherwise, teams would just make cap hits non-existant, and just give signing bonuses to every player.

IE.
Sign ROR to 3yr 15M contract.

But each year, 1M salary, 4M signing bonus.

It would create the biggest and worst possible loophole in cap circumvention imaginable.

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02-07-2013, 12:01 PM
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I'm actually surprised at this point a team hasn't stepped up and signed him to an OS. Screw it, times up Colorado, poop or get off the pot.
What? According to who...YOU???

Lol, this isn't your negotiation, in fact, unless you're team wants to offer sheet him, move along.

I'd LOVE to see it. Any team that thinks they can give up only a 1st and a 3rd are sorely mistaken.

The Avs would match in the very same way that the Sabres did with Vanek and then SHAKE their heads at the team offering him that contract.

Don't kid yourselves, the Avs are doing the rest of the LEAGUE a favor by not caving in to this poor misguided kid's ludicrous contract demands. Look at ANY star player coming out of Entry Level and compare and the Avs offer is more than fair.

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ROR is a good player but anyone giving up a first for him via offer sheet better not be picking in the top 15 or its just not worth it IMO. A contender that can overpay for a 2nd/3rd C would be the best candidate. Ottawa makes the most sense imo

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02-07-2013, 12:02 PM
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It would be a 1st, 2nd and 3rd. Signing bonus doesnt count against cap hit.
LOL

So do you always just make up your own rules or what??

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ROR is a good player but anyone giving up a first for him via offer sheet better not be picking in the top 15 or its just not worth it IMO. A contender that can overpay for a 2nd/3rd C would be the best candidate. Ottawa makes the most sense imo
Top 5? Sure. Top 15? If you wouldn't want to give the 10-15th pick for O'Reilly you have not seen O'Reilly play.

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Well we know for sure the Oilers will not offer sheet. We do not have a third round pick. But be worried if Tambo trades for it back. LOL

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ROR is a good player but anyone giving up a first for him via offer sheet better not be picking in the top 15 or its just not worth it IMO. A contender that can overpay for a 2nd/3rd C would be the best candidate. Ottawa makes the most sense imo
Yeah, I saw that Ronaldino guy play soccer. He's really good at kicking the ball and using his head to make plays.



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Top 5? Sure. Top 15? If you wouldn't want to give the 10-15th pick for O'Reilly you have not seen O'Reilly play.
Yup, this.

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02-07-2013, 12:12 PM
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I'd love it if someone offersheets Radar, Avs would match and they could play the ''we were forced to do this'' card and they wouldn't lose leverage with their future RFA's. It's a win-win situation for all parties involved.

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Top 5? Sure. Top 15? If you wouldn't want to give the 10-15th pick for O'Reilly you have not seen O'Reilly play.
I think O'Reilly has quickly become the most over-rated player on these boards (Sharp? Kessel!? Seriously?), but I agree with this completely. Look at the history of guys drafted 6th-15th overall. You'd be happy to have one turn out like RO'R.

Avs, just tell O'Reilly that if he doesn't sign a reasonable offer in the next week, you'll trade him to the Rangers. With Sather's track record of holding RFA's balls to the fire during 2nd contract negotiations (seriously, his final "take it or leave it" offer would likely be about half of whatever Colorado is offering), you'd have O'Reilly in the lineup before you know it.

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I think the Avs match any offersheet (reasonably speaking). I doubt O'Reilly plays long for the Avs if that happens though (I suspect he'd be traded over the offseason)

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For what its worth, Eklund says Habs are e4 to get O`Reilly

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For what its worth, Eklund says Habs are e4 to get O`Reilly
So Radar gets moved from my favourite western team to my favourite eastern team?


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For what its worth, Eklund says Habs are e4 to get O`Reilly
I ate some chili and my stomach rumblings said he was heading to the south east.

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For what its worth, Eklund says Habs are e4 to get O`Reilly
So what you're saying is Ryan's about to re-sign with the Avs?

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