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02-07-2013, 10:44 AM
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This thread is about Pegula, not the 39 years before he got here.

Maybe he believes in doing his own analysis under his way of operating, instead of judging them both under previous ownership. Or maybe he has some other reason for the current situation that you would never know about.

My problem with what some of you are doing is assuming you know more about Terry's thought process than you actually do. That's what is insane to me.

Give Pegula time. Saying he looks bad now is typical Buffalo sports fan.

Good god we need a championship.
The previous years before Pegula are very relevant. So it's not about 39 years, but it's about the last 15.

My thoughts, which will not be swayed, is that Pegula should have cleaned house on day 1. He didn't. Fine. I get it, he gave them a chance. They needed to be on a VERY short leash. It's been 1.5 years. The team is getting worse. The fans are pissed. At what point do these guys get let go? I'm tired of this patience nonsense. People have been saying it for years and this is where it got us.

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Though I would have preferred Pegula jettisoning R&R when he took over, I had no problem with his decision; nor do I have an issue with him giving Regier an extension on his body of work under Pegula. He's been active in signing UFAs, making trades etc compared to the constraints he was under with Goli and Mo.

I think Sabresfan27 is more upset because of the organizations apparent neglect of Rochester.

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Though I would have preferred Pegula jettisoning R&R when he took over, I had no problem with his decision; nor do I have an issue with him giving Regier an extension on his body of work under Pegula. He's been active in signing UFAs, making trades etc compared to the constraints he was under with Goli and Mo.

I think Sabresfan27 is more upset because of the organizations apparent neglect of Rochester.
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The previous years before Pegula are very relevant. So it's not about 39 years, but it's about the last 15.

My thoughts, which will not be swayed, is that Pegula should have cleaned house on day 1. He didn't. Fine. I get it, he gave them a chance. They needed to be on a VERY short leash. It's been 1.5 years. The team is getting worse. The fans are pissed. At what point do these guys get let go? I'm tired of this patience nonsense. People have been saying it for years and this is where it got us.
1.5 years isn't too long of a time to make an assessment of the people working under you, IMO. That's how long Terry has been here and that's exactly how long it's right to judge Terry on.

But one thing I'll agree with you on is that it's time for Ruff to go and I hope Terry realizes it. I'll wait until the end of the season however. The right coach may not be available mid-season and I wouldn't want a lesser coach just because he was available mid-season.

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And that's fine, Darcy is in charge of the team there. Sabresfan27 constant (CONSTANT) griping about it though tends to make me want to pass over his posts more often that not however.

It's the same deal with the FIRE LINDY crowd in the GDTs. Once you've made your point, move on. Harping on it over and over makes this place unreadable at times.

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Has nothing to do with Rochester. I'm a huge Sabres fan too. And Ruff is irrelevant to Rochester. And at this point, if only one had to go, it's Ruff. So don't even try to play that card.

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The previous years before Pegula are very relevant. So it's not about 39 years, but it's about the last 15.

My thoughts, which will not be swayed, is that Pegula should have cleaned house on day 1. He didn't. Fine. I get it, he gave them a chance. They needed to be on a VERY short leash. It's been 1.5 years. The team is getting worse. The fans are pissed. At what point do these guys get let go? I'm tired of this patience nonsense. People have been saying it for years and this is where it got us.
What's a very short leash for you then? 1 year?

What if the leash, in reality, is 2 - 2 1/2 years? Does that difference of 1 - 1 1/2 years mean the difference between a failure as an owner or not?

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What's a very short leash for you then? 1 year?

What if the leash, in reality, is 2 - 2 1/2 years? Does that difference of 1 - 1 1/2 years mean the difference between a failure as an owner or not?
I'll judge him then if that happens. For me, now, the team is not moving forward and it's time for a change. If Regier can't do it, Pegula needs to.

They didn't make the playoff last year and are on their way to not making it this year either. What else is needed? Couple that with the failures since 2007 and this is way simpler than people are making it out to be.

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Pegula has been owner for parts of 3 seasons now.

10-11: 1st round loss
11-12: no playoffs
12-13: basement no playoffs

I guess Ruff needs 2 more years under Pegula to win a round and the 4 years prior to Pegula buying the team where we didn't win a round don't count either

LINDY RUFF: 6 PLAYOFF WINS WITH HASEK (before 2001)
4 PLAYOFF WINS WITHOUT HASEK (2001-2013)

12 damn years and he has won four freakin rounds. This is just stupid that people still defend Ruff this is lunacy. Ruff only had success outside the 2 fluke years from 05-07 with Hasek as his goalie. Take away 05-07 and Ruff has no playoff wins since Hasek

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02-07-2013, 01:07 PM
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Pegula has been owner for parts of 3 seasons now.

10-11: 1st round loss
11-12: no playoffs
12-13: basement no playoffs

I guess Ruff needs 2 more years under Pegula to win a round and the 4 years prior to Pegula buying the team where we didn't win a round don't count either

LINDY RUFF: 6 PLAYOFF WINS WITH HASEK (before 2001)
4 PLAYOFF WINS WITHOUT HASEK (2001-2013)

12 damn years and he has won four freakin rounds. This is just stupid that people still defend Ruff this is lunacy. Ruff only had success outside the 2 fluke years from 05-07 with Hasek as his goalie. Take away 05-07 and Ruff has no playoff wins since Hasek
Barely anyone is defending Ruff.

This is about Pegula.

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Barely anyone is defending Ruff.

This is about Pegula.
What I was thinking. Though I have found it hard myself to decipher which ***** and moan thread I'm viewing.

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What I was thinking. Though I have found it hard myself to decipher which ***** and moan thread I'm viewing.
I agree, it seems that we have some here that pretty much cut and paste their rant into every thread. Most of those won't be happy until the Knox's and Imlach are resurrected to take to team back.

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This unknown billionaire comes out of nowhere, buys the team, and starts flaunting his money, and this causes fans to love him.

The cold, hard fact is that the team has gone backwards under his ownership. It's interesting that he immediately canned Larry Quinn, yet the same old problems remain. His extension of the RR team shows that he has no clue.
I didn't see Quinn getting canned, but he left when the team got sold, with a reported $8 million payday for his equity in the ownership. Quinn's job was to financially rebuild and manage the franchise under a financially-responsible budget.

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Yes.

Sorry - Regier has the organization in decent position. Not the current roster, but when you look down the road, you see Armia, Grigorenko, Girgensons, McCabe, Pysyk, McNabb, Cat, plus the likes of Hodgson, Vanek, Foligno, Pominville, Myers, Sekera, and Ennis.

I hope to god that you didn't enter this season with aspirations of a Cup run. Unrealistic.

We've been set up to grow this team into what we've all wanted: balanced team with centers who can make an impact, dynamic wingers, and blueline depth.

When you look at my Dream '16 team, provided that the youth grows as they should, we're missing toughness on the back end. That's it. And we have time to address that issue, especially if we're looking at 2016 (or in that area) as the year we start to become legitimate.


I don't think he's infatuated with them. He just didn't want to come in and immediately clean house - he wanted to see for himself what he had/didn't have. Hopefully he has done that.
2016? Pegula wants a Cup within three years from the time he took over (maybe one of his big comments that he shouldn't have made.)
Fans aren't going to wait three MORE years for a team that has been mediocre in the last few years due to "potential" of it's young guys.

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Pegula has been owner for parts of 3 seasons now.

10-11: 1st round loss
11-12: no playoffs
12-13: basement no playoffs

I guess Ruff needs 2 more years under Pegula to win a round and the 4 years prior to Pegula buying the team where we didn't win a round don't count either

LINDY RUFF: 6 PLAYOFF WINS WITH HASEK (before 2001)
4 PLAYOFF WINS WITHOUT HASEK (2001-2013)

12 damn years and he has won four freakin rounds. This is just stupid that people still defend Ruff this is lunacy. Ruff only had success outside the 2 fluke years from 05-07 with Hasek as his goalie. Take away 05-07 and Ruff has no playoff wins since Hasek
the only time people defend Ruff is when "fans" say things like: "if you take away these things". If you take away poor ownership maybe he wins a cup in 99, maybe in 2000, maybe in 2009, maybe we aren't missing the playoffs every year with Briere still here, if Tim Connelly doesn't get hurt maybe we beat Carolina. There's plenty to attack Ruff for without resorting to that pathetic line. The team lacks effort, lacks consistency, and lacks defensive responsibility, he mishandled his goaltenders, and lacks a good player/coach relationship as well as being opposed to bringing in a strong willed captain to make up the difference.

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Fans aren't going to wait three MORE years for a team that has been mediocre in the last few years due to "potential" of it's young guys.
What does this even mean? Aren't going to wait? What?

Do you think a mass exodus of Buffalo fans will root for another NHL team?

Do you think the majority of Sabres STH's will cancel tickets?

Do you think the arena will become empty for home games?

Do you think the TV ratings will take a massive hit?



Bottom line is the fans have waited for a Stanley cup and they will continue to support this NHL franchise. The demand for the (albeit not great) product is high. This won't change in the next 3, 5, 7 years. Think about it.

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2016? Pegula wants a Cup within three years from the time he took over (maybe one of his big comments that he shouldn't have made.)
Fans aren't going to wait three MORE years for a team that has been mediocre in the last few years due to "potential" of it's young guys.
I've waited a hell of a lot longer than 3 years already. I can wait much longer.

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2016? Pegula wants a Cup within three years from the time he took over (maybe one of his big comments that he shouldn't have made.)
Fans aren't going to wait three MORE years for a team that has been mediocre in the last few years due to "potential" of it's young guys.
Yes. We will.

It has been a long enough wait. Do the right thing. Again, a no-brainer

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I've waited a hell of a lot longer than 3 years already. I can wait much longer.
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Yes. We will.

It has been a long enough wait. Do the right thing. Again, a no-brainer
Absolutely. I'm ok with knowing we won't win the cup in the next few years if I know the teams' long term success will be vastly improved. Improve the team's chances over the long term, every year, instead of going for it just to go for it in the next 2-3 (unless of course, you really are THAT close).

I see Pegula's plan focusing on slowly building the team up to the point they can compete yearly. That's NOT a quick process.

I'm sure some fans would love to see them follow the same model as Philly, but that's very very difficult.

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the only time people defend Ruff is when "fans" say things like: "if you take away these things". If you take away poor ownership maybe he wins a cup in 99, maybe in 2000, maybe in 2009, maybe we aren't missing the playoffs every year with Briere still here, if Tim Connelly doesn't get hurt maybe we beat Carolina. There's plenty to attack Ruff for without resorting to that pathetic line. The team lacks effort, lacks consistency, and lacks defensive responsibility, he mishandled his goaltenders, and lacks a good player/coach relationship as well as being opposed to bringing in a strong willed captain to make up the difference.
How about this then, nice and simple for ya...

Every time a team wins a cup, their coach matches the amount of playoff series wins that Lindy Ruff has for the last 12 years.

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2016? Pegula wants a Cup within three years from the time he took over (maybe one of his big comments that he shouldn't have made.)
Fans aren't going to wait three MORE years for a team that has been mediocre in the last few years due to "potential" of it's young guys.
C'mon now, this is just a silly comment. You're on a forum that's technically about hockey's future; its prospects.

Besides, as Cup crazy as I know we are, sports shouldn't just be about waiting for a championship. There's something to be said about simply enjoying the ride. Our society is so black and white now with these things... if your team doesn't win a championship, they were all losers and it was a waste of a season. That attitude just irks me.

As far as Pegula is concerned, we have an owner who is not only fiscally solvent, stable, and entrenched in Buffalo (for contrast, see Phoenix), but one who also wants to win, regardless of the cost. Really, how much is there to critique?


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I've waited a hell of a lot longer than 3 years already. I can wait much longer.
True. I'd prefer, personally, to not be waiting until I'm dead though.

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The fanbase is insane for calling out Pegula? That's rich. If Regier and Ruff were still around in other cities (with the same track record) that have even some standards, these guys would have been run out of town years ago. The patient and understanding fans giving them even more time are the insane ones.
Are you for real?


This has to be the most SABRES focused posting you have done. Lets be honest, if the Amerks were having the success you want them to have. If the vets you wanted were signed for example but the Sabres were still struggling like they are right now. You wouldn't give two ***** about Pegula, Regier or Ruff.


The bottom line is you are bitter because gobs of money aren't being spent on the Amerks and their success and could care less about the Sabres. And frankly it is insanity for an NHL owner to be bashed because his focus isn't his AHL affiliate.


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I understand the fans frustration but holding Pegula to the fire for the organizations issues since 2007 is bit daft.


If the Sabres fail to make the playoffs and look as disorganized and dysfunctional as they do now. If nothing is done in the summer after that, then I can understand fans getting mad and bashing Pegula.

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Are you for real?


This has to be the most SABRES focused posting you have done. Lets be honest, if the Amerks were having the success you want them to have. If the vets you wanted were signed for example but the Sabres were still struggling like they are right now. You wouldn't give two ***** about Pegula, Regier or Ruff.


The bottom line is you are bitter because gobs of money aren't being spent on the Amerks and their success and could care less about the Sabres. And frankly it is insanity for an NHL owner to be bashed because his focus isn't his AHL affiliate.
This is one of the most ridiculous posts Ive ever read and pretty pathetic to accuse me of that. Has nothing to do with the Amerks. They're doing quite well now and I'm pretty satisfied with the Rissmiller signing.

This is about a coach that needs to go as well as a the GM who hasn't got the job done.

I drive to Buffalo 10 times a year to watch the Sabres so don't give me this garbage that it's about the Amerks.


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This is one of the most ridiculous posts Ive ever read and pretty pathetic to accuse me of that. Has nothing to do with the Amerks. They're doing quite well now and I'm pretty satisfied with the Rissmiller signing.

This is about a coach that needs to go as well as a the GM who hasn't got the job done.

I drive to Buffalo 10 times a year to watch the Sabres so don't give me this garbage that it's about the Amerks.
That right there is pretty funny.


I could find 100s of post from this AHL season alone of you ranting and raving about Regier and his handling of the Amerks since Pegula took over as well as bashing his previous tenures under other owners dealing with the Amerks.

But you actually are going to assert your disdain has nothing to do with the Amerks?

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