HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > Philadelphia Flyers
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Pursue Kessel?

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
02-07-2013, 12:53 PM
  #1
Garbage Goal
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 17,583
vCash: 500
Pursue Kessel?

It's obvious that our only glaring weakness aside from PMD is top six wingers. Briere is used as a center at times and he hasn't put up an impressive regular season in quite a while. Schenn definitely isn't ready to produce numbers. Read is a 2nd/3rd line tweener. Voracek is Voracek. Hartnell is injured and even if he weren't his ceiling in a normal season is like 35/70'ish. Which is great if he manages to play at his absolute best but even then we have only one definite 30 goal guy (again, in a normal season) and a couple maybes if we're lucky in Giroux and Briere. Having only one guy on the roster, who is currently injured, of that kind of goal scoring caliber isn't good.

For those that aren't up to date, Dreger has reported that Nonis is taking Kessel offers into serious consideration. Also was reported it would only take something like a top four d and a top prospect or pick. That's not a lot.

Just seems like a perfect fit for me. We could use wingers and goal scorers. Kessel is a 40+ goal winger. What do you all think?

Personally I'd be willing to offer something like Laughton+Meszaros or Grossmann. Maybe a 2nd too.

Garbage Goal is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
02-07-2013, 12:55 PM
  #2
Codith
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 725
vCash: 500
Trade our D? That is something we can't do.

Voracek and a pick maybe? I might consider that, but we can't give up D

Codith is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-07-2013, 12:58 PM
  #3
Garbage Goal
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 17,583
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Codith View Post
Trade our D? That is something we can't do.

Voracek and a pick maybe? I might consider that, but we can't give up D
Why not? Our weakness isn't in our number of d-men it's that they all play a similar style. We have five top four guys in Timonen, Coburn, Grossmann, Meszaros, and Schenn. Then we have a plethora of bottom pairing guys in Gustafsson, Syvret, MAB, Gervais, Foster, Lilja, and Walker.

Garbage Goal is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
02-07-2013, 01:02 PM
  #4
sa cyred
Yea....the Flyers...
 
sa cyred's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Traveling...
Country: Cuba
Posts: 15,712
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Garbage Goal View Post
Why not? Our weakness isn't in our number of d-men it's that they all play a similar style. We have five top four guys in Timonen, Coburn, Grossmann, Meszaros, and Schenn. Then we have a plethora of bottom pairing guys in Gustafsson, Syvret, MAB, Gervais, Foster, Lilja, and Walker.
But I think it comes down to, Meszaros doesnt have too much value, especially since he is currently hurt. So say you do get rid of Coburn or Grossmann or Schenn. Then we got a top 6 of:

Timonen-Schenn
Coburn-Gervias
Foster-Lilja

There is no way a team can function with a defense of that. You can't count on Meszaros not being injured since he is always injured.

sa cyred is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-07-2013, 01:04 PM
  #5
Yukon Cornelius
LoosenUpSandyBaby!
 
Yukon Cornelius's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,553
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Garbage Goal View Post
It's obvious that our only glaring weakness aside from PMD is top six wingers. Briere is used as a center at times and he hasn't put up an impressive regular season in quite a while. Schenn definitely isn't ready to produce numbers. Read is a 2nd/3rd line tweener. Voracek is Voracek. Hartnell is injured and even if he weren't his ceiling in a normal season is like 35/70'ish. Which is great if he manages to play at his absolute best but even then we have only one definite 30 goal guy (again, in a normal season) and a couple maybes if we're lucky in Giroux and Briere. Having only one guy on the roster, who is currently injured, of that kind of goal scoring caliber isn't good.

For those that aren't up to date, Dreger has reported that Nonis is taking Kessel offers into serious consideration. Also was reported it would only take something like a top four d and a top prospect or pick. That's not a lot.

Just seems like a perfect fit for me. We could use wingers and goal scorers. Kessel is a 40+ goal winger. What do you all think?

Personally I'd be willing to offer something like Laughton+Meszaros or Grossmann. Maybe a 2nd too.
No thank you! Kessel is the epitome of a streaky goal scorer. He's also lazy, defensively inept and easy to intimidate on the ice. (I can live with one Danny Briere not two though)

If we're looking to go after a top 6 forward that's fallen out of favour with his team and the league, then let's take a hard look at Ovechkin.

Yukon Cornelius is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-07-2013, 01:05 PM
  #6
Prongo
Beer
 
Prongo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: philadelphia
Country: United States
Posts: 14,213
vCash: 500
If half this board hated Jeff Carter, it would be hilarious to see the reaction to Phil Kessel.

Prongo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-07-2013, 01:06 PM
  #7
McNasty
Registered User
 
McNasty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Rutgers
Country: United States
Posts: 5,733
vCash: 500
The past calendar year Meszaros has dealt with back and shoulder injuries, plus an Achilles Tendon tear. Why would a team be interested in him as a center piece for their all star winger?

McNasty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-07-2013, 01:16 PM
  #8
Garbage Goal
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 17,583
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by McNasty View Post
The past calendar year Meszaros has dealt with back and shoulder injuries, plus an Achilles Tendon tear. Why would a team be interested in him as a center piece for their all star winger?
Not so much about what they're interested in as what we can give. That's why I said maybe a 2nd rounder too.

Also it'd be nice to offer an opinion instead of just blasting others.

Garbage Goal is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
02-07-2013, 01:20 PM
  #9
DrinkFightFlyers
Grave Before Shave
 
DrinkFightFlyers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: NJ
Country: United States
Posts: 12,866
vCash: 50
Send a message via AIM to DrinkFightFlyers
I'd be interested in Kessel if the price is right, but he is due a new contract at the same time as G and the other RFAs. Could complicate things or result in trading him somewhere else in a couple years.

DrinkFightFlyers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-07-2013, 01:20 PM
  #10
chinatown81592
Knight of Beavers
 
chinatown81592's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: United States
Country: China
Posts: 1,198
vCash: 500
Its an option to explore since it would give Giroux a sniper to work with for the foreseeable future. However, I think Toronto is going to be looking for multiple assets in return and I frankly don't see Mez being the centerpiece of the a deal. I thought about pursuing Kessel as well but I would rather wait until he hits free agency.

chinatown81592 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-07-2013, 01:25 PM
  #11
bauer
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,202
vCash: 500
if the Flyers are gonna target a RW that would cost around 6M or so, they need to target Perry first. lets see what happens with that before even thinking about Kessel. Perry would look much better on the top line than Kessel would.

bauer is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
02-07-2013, 01:34 PM
  #12
Beef Invictus
Global Moderator
Beef Runner
 
Beef Invictus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Centreville
Country: Lord Howe Island
Posts: 40,717
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prongo View Post
If half this board hated Jeff Carter, it would be hilarious to see the reaction to Phil Kessel.
Took the words right out of my fingers

__________________
Down in the basement, I've got a Craftsman lathe. Show it to the children when they misbehave.
Beef Invictus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-07-2013, 01:39 PM
  #13
McNasty
Registered User
 
McNasty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Rutgers
Country: United States
Posts: 5,733
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Garbage Goal View Post
Not so much about what they're interested in as what we can give. That's why I said maybe a 2nd rounder too.

Also it'd be nice to offer an opinion instead of just blasting others.
What they're interested in is every bit a part of the conversation as what we can give, because if what we can offer doesn't match up with what they're interested in you don't have any basis for trade discussion.

Meszaros has little trade value at this point due to the recent injuries he's been dealing with, and I don't see any way that the best deal the leafs can get for him is Laughton, Mez/Grossman and a fricken 2nd round pick.

McNasty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-07-2013, 01:49 PM
  #14
Mgkibbles
Registered User
 
Mgkibbles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Gilbertsville, Pa
Posts: 2,071
vCash: 500
Yuck.

Mgkibbles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-07-2013, 01:56 PM
  #15
FlyingHigh28*
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 229
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Garbage Goal View Post
It's obvious that our only glaring weakness aside from PMD is top six wingers. Briere is used as a center at times and he hasn't put up an impressive regular season in quite a while. Schenn definitely isn't ready to produce numbers. Read is a 2nd/3rd line tweener. Voracek is Voracek. Hartnell is injured and even if he weren't his ceiling in a normal season is like 35/70'ish. Which is great if he manages to play at his absolute best but even then we have only one definite 30 goal guy (again, in a normal season) and a couple maybes if we're lucky in Giroux and Briere. Having only one guy on the roster, who is currently injured, of that kind of goal scoring caliber isn't good.

For those that aren't up to date, Dreger has reported that Nonis is taking Kessel offers into serious consideration. Also was reported it would only take something like a top four d and a top prospect or pick. That's not a lot.

Just seems like a perfect fit for me. We could use wingers and goal scorers. Kessel is a 40+ goal winger. What do you all think?

Personally I'd be willing to offer something like Laughton+Meszaros or Grossmann. Maybe a 2nd too.
I'd do it for Mesz + Voracek. Anything beyond that is no bueno.

FlyingHigh28* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-07-2013, 01:59 PM
  #16
FlyersFan61290
Registered User
 
FlyersFan61290's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Philadelphia
Country: United States
Posts: 9,007
vCash: 500
Flyers wouldn't want to part with what it would take and i don't blame them...so no

FlyersFan61290 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-07-2013, 02:00 PM
  #17
CootaRoo
Registered User
 
CootaRoo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 258
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Garbage Goal View Post
Personally I'd be willing to offer something like Laughton+Meszaros or Grossmann. Maybe a 2nd too.
I'd be ecstatic to get Kessel for a return of Laughton+Mesz. I don't think it realistically even starts talks with Toronto, though, personally. If I was Toronto I'd ask for Laughton+1st+ at least - and without knowing where our 1st is going to be this year I'd be very hesitant to go that route.

CootaRoo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-07-2013, 02:19 PM
  #18
The Couturier Effect
Registered User
 
The Couturier Effect's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Country: United States
Posts: 4,004
vCash: 500
I don't think Toronto would consider Laughton a "top prospect". They'd want Couturier or Schenn. Mez has next to no value because of his injuries, plus there's no reason to trade away any defensmen right now.

Hartnell and Simmonds should help the scoring once they come back. And then we can pursue Perry in free agency if possible. If not, there are other forwards that we can go after. Like Horton.


Last edited by The Couturier Effect: 02-07-2013 at 02:25 PM.
The Couturier Effect is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
02-07-2013, 02:23 PM
  #19
GoneFullHextall
Fire Berube
 
GoneFullHextall's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Somewhere in NH
Country: United States
Posts: 32,253
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prongo View Post
If half this board hated Jeff Carter, it would be hilarious to see the reaction to Phil Kessel.
Kessel would take some of the growing hatred away from Jake. No denying that.
Unless of course Jake was in the trade.

GoneFullHextall is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-07-2013, 02:42 PM
  #20
PhillyFlying
F1eyrS
 
PhillyFlying's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Philadelphia
Country: United States
Posts: 2,390
vCash: 500
given what they gave up to get him there is no way in hell they'd take laughton+any of our defenseman + any of our picks.

it's gonna take schenn and/or cooter and then some.

no thanks.

PhillyFlying is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-07-2013, 03:04 PM
  #21
FlyersFanz
aut viam inveniam au
 
FlyersFanz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: BlkVanOutsideUrHouse
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,020
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by bauer View Post
if the Flyers are gonna target a RW that would cost around 6M or so, they need to target Perry first. lets see what happens with that before even thinking about Kessel. Perry would look much better on the top line than Kessel would.
I would take Perry over Kessel in a heartbeat! And you guys saying trade Coburn or Schenn are nuts, there of our best D men.

FlyersFanz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-07-2013, 03:16 PM
  #22
Schenn Bros Pizza*
All-Star
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Michigan
Posts: 776
vCash: 500
Nothing worse than I'll give you my scraps for your star proposals.

Schenn Bros Pizza* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-07-2013, 03:47 PM
  #23
Flyotes
DownieFaceSoftener
 
Flyotes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 5,105
vCash: 500
I like nothing about this proposal. I would want more if I were Toronto.

Flyotes is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
02-07-2013, 03:54 PM
  #24
Krishna
Registered User
 
Krishna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Philadelphia
Country: Canada
Posts: 82,085
vCash: 500
Counter offer :

Giroux

for

Kadri
Kulemin

Krishna is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-07-2013, 04:07 PM
  #25
Qyburn
Registered User
 
Qyburn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 1,758
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Garbage Goal View Post
Not so much about what they're interested in as what we can give. That's why I said maybe a 2nd rounder too.
Well, if what Dreger said is true, then they require a top prospect or a 1st, not a package of pieces that are of hypothetically equal value.

Pass on Kessel.

Qyburn is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:06 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.