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02-07-2013, 03:04 PM
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Not the first time that has happened... Burke did it with Kabby

Nonis must know that he needs an overpayment for Kessel or his job will always be questioned.
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02-07-2013, 03:05 PM
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Salary cap and teams finances will play a big part in potential Kessel deal. Min can't afford him due to cap. PHX doesn't have $$ (and OEL is more valuable. The only team that looks like a fit is Nsh. NJ isn't trading 1st with them losing their pick next yr. SJ, Chi, Phi I don't see them needing him and trading lots of pieces could hurt their depth. Honestly only team to me that looks like a fit is Nsh
Not really. We can eat half of Kessel's salary, so now how much is he worth? Tons, that's how much.

Nashville, Washington, Anaheim, Phoenix, would all be decent partners.

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02-07-2013, 03:07 PM
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in a few years when Kessel has a 50 goal season leaf fans will be pissed we traded him for a 2nd liner and a draft pick.
This is my biggest fear. If we do trade kessel it has to be for a 1st liner or a #1 defenseman. Anything less is unacceptable.

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02-07-2013, 03:10 PM
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There is a short list of players, and no picks, that I would trade Phil Kessel for.

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"Holy Mackinaw, What a goal, a hat-trick for Phil Kessel as he rifles his third high glove shot past James Reimer!"


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This has crossed my mind



Yeah I like this too. Huge fan of Carlson.
My mind to.

And I agree, Carlson would be an excellent partner for Dion. Carlson is right handed isnt he?

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This is called a shot in the dark. Not a rumor.

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Nonis will do the right thing

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in a few years when Kessel has a 50 goal season leaf fans will be pissed we traded him for a 2nd liner and a draft pick.
This.

Who honestly wants to trade him when his value is so low? He is just the whipping boy because everyone expects him to be our franchise player.

Kessel has one pt more than Perry and one less goal, and so many fans have jumped on this trade Kessel and sign Perry and Getzlaf train. Give the man a break, it is not his fault we traded so much for him. It was never suppose to be his job to carry this team on his back. He has done exactly what is expected of him the last 3 years. The only difference right now between Perry and Kessel is one is on a winning team and one isn't. Just give Kessel time.

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02-07-2013, 03:17 PM
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This.

Who honestly wants to trade him when his value is so low? He is just the whipping boy because everyone expects him to be our franchise player.

Kessel has one pt more than Perry and one less goal, and so many fans have jumped on this trade Kessel and sign Perry and Getzlaf train. Give the man a break, it is not his fault we traded so much for him. It was never suppose to be his job to carry this team on his back. He has done exactly what is expected of him the last 3 years. The only difference right now between Perry and Kessel is one is on a winning team and one isn't. Just give Kessel time.
Kessel's team is in a playoff spot right now without him making a truly significant contribution. I think once he gets going, the Leafs will be sitting pretty in a playoff spot coming down the stretch.

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in a few years when Kessel has a 50 goal season leaf fans will be pissed we traded him for a 2nd liner and a draft pick.
No they won't, because we probably won't trade him. It make 0 sense until he says he does not want to stay long term. Since every indication is he is happy here I see no reason for all this panic. It's just the media trying to invent news, nothing to see here.

This summer we will offer him 6 mil (or so) for 5+ years and all this nonesense will be done, until then the media and our trade happy HF fans will continue to talk about it.

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Why is this even news?

Of course Nonis is listening. He has to listen to offers and price points for all his players. Chances are, he's been fielding calls with all GMs regularly simply because he's a new GM and others want to find out what sort of valuation the new guy puts on certain pieces of his team.

Would people honestly prefer Nonis to just hang up the phone or not answer lol?

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Just got a txt from my buddy that ROR is close to signing with the avs...

/ROR rumors
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in a few years when Kessel has a 50 goal season leaf fans will be pissed we traded him for a 2nd liner and a draft pick.
And the same people wanting him traded will be complaining that it happened.

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If we can unload the "luxury" of having to pay a premium to Kessel as a UFA (or have him bolt), these are the type of moves you want to make.

Unfortunately, the return won't be nearly as good as we gave up in the first place (i.e. Potential franchise forward, in terms of upside, and legitimate top 6 at 19- Seguin, Potential franchise d-man upside- Hamilton, and under the radar bottom 6- Jared Knight).

I actually think now is the time for Nonis to put his blueprint on the team. If he can change the culture of this team by going after a guy like (ROR- Avs, Ovy + Forsberg in a Phaneuf/Kessel swap) and maximize the existing value that Kessel still has, this could be a brilliant start to his tenure. I just hope he isn't hesitant on making the move, as his past history has indicated- he's gun shy.
Bolt you say?

Tampa Bay Lighting you say?

Steven Stamkos you say?!

Holy crap, we're getting Stamkos for Kessel!

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02-07-2013, 03:19 PM
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I dont want to trade him unless he wants to leave.

OR unless we get a huge piece back(top 10 pick+#1 C or #1 D)

I would much prefer trying to find a #1 C for him in many other ways for the next few years, his value will be high for a while he's an elite sniper who's only 25.

Guy is snakebitten now, He is #1 in the league for shots right now, NUMBER 1, yet is the only guy up there without a goal.

Even without a #1 C he is creating chances, but it seems these random goalies are getting highlight reel saves on him half the time.

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And the same people wanting him traded will be complaining that it happened.


You're right - who's going to score goals, dig in the corners, engage along the wall, and take an forward stance with the media for us without Kessel in the lineup? That's a leafs team I definitely shudder to think of.

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I dont want to trade him unless he wants to leave.

OR unless we get a huge piece back(top 10 pick+#1 C or #1 D)

I would much prefer trying to find a #1 C for him in many other ways for the next few years, his value will be high for a while he's an elite sniper who's only 25.

Guy is snakebitten now, He is #1 in the league for shots right now, NUMBER 1, yet is the only guy up there without a goal.

Even without a #1 C he is creating chances, but it seems these random goalies are getting highlight reel saves on him half the time.
or he's predictable

probably a bit of both but just saying

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This has crossed my mind



Yeah I like this too. Huge fan of Carlson.
What about Forsberg instead of the first?

Then we get a quality prospect, and they dont have to trade away their top pick.

Rielly-Phaneuf
Carlson-Gards

That would be a solid top four.

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or he's predictable

probably a bit of both but just saying
He's also the most predictable player on the ice for us right now.... guy has to learn to mix it up a bit.

edit: Wait what just happened there? lol

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My mind to.

And I agree, Carlson would be an excellent partner for Dion. Carlson is right handed isnt he?
Yeah he is.

Pretty good defensive game for a young dman. Currently leading the NHL in blocked shots and has done very well in that area in the past. Excellent mobility too.

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or he's predictable

probably a bit of both but just saying
Yea for a few of them, but most we're great shots, you dont hit the post THAT many times by being predictable.

He tries to change it up, the only thing he doesn't do is drive the net, but he's never really been that kind of player so whatever. He definitely needs a dirty goal.

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What about Forsberg instead of the first?

Then we get a quality prospect, and they dont have to trade away their top pick.

Rielly-Phaneuf
Carlson-Gards

That would be a solid top four.
I have a feeling they'd refuse to put Forsberg in the deal. It's a strong draft this season so they may refuse to even put in a 1st if it's not a protected pick.

Would you do Carlson+Tom Wilson?

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in a few years when Kessel has a 50 goal season

Kessel has had six seasons of 70+ games and has never scored more than 37. And wingers peak in their twenties.



Might as well start the sentence off with "In a few years when Kessel wins a Selke."

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This.

Who honestly wants to trade him when his value is so low? He is just the whipping boy because everyone expects him to be our franchise player.

Kessel has one pt more than Perry and one less goal, and so many fans have jumped on this trade Kessel and sign Perry and Getzlaf train. Give the man a break, it is not his fault we traded so much for him. It was never suppose to be his job to carry this team on his back. He has done exactly what is expected of him the last 3 years. The only difference right now between Perry and Kessel is one is on a winning team and one isn't. Just give Kessel time.
No one is saying "get rid of him for nothing". You have to build a team the right way, always maximizing your assets. Nonis would be foolish if he didn't do homework on Kessel's interest league wide.

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