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02-07-2013, 03:36 PM
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subjectively or objectively?
You can't honestly mean that Grabovski is better than Weiss?

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02-07-2013, 03:41 PM
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Not being accusatory, but was there a reason why Garrison wasn't resigned?
Garrison was asking 6 million per from Tallon, DT was more in the range of 3.5 to 4.

IMO, what it probably came down to was term, with the amount of young d-men coming up in the next few years, Tallon didn't want to commit for too long and create a logjam on D.

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02-07-2013, 03:47 PM
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No hes not.
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lol, not even close..
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29 yo 5'11" 185 lbs.

TOI/G: 17:36
PP TOI/G: 2:05

Last 4 seasons (0.65PPG)

Last season:
32BKS
45GVA
49 TKA
51.5 faceoff%

Corsi Rel 14.9
Corsi Qoc 0.929
Corsi Rel QoC 0.686
GA On/60 2.74
GA Off/60 2.94
GA Off/On -0.20

GF On/60 2.80
GF Off/60 2.14
GF Off/On +0.66
Off Start% 53%

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5'11" 195 lbs.

TOI/G: 20:30
PP TOI/G: 3:17

Last 4 seasons (0.71)

Last season:
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56 TKA
53.2 faceoff%

Corsi Rel -2.2
Corsi Qoc 0.062
Corsi Rel QoC 0.896
GA On/60 2.52
GA Off/60 2.07
GA Off/On +0.45
GF On/60 2.86
GF Off/60 1.72
GF Off/On +1.14

Off Start% 55.6

Maybe i exaggerated a little, but Grabovski has been the better defensive player, while Weiss has been playing a role in which he can exceed offensively (more starts in the offensive zone, playing 3 more ES and 1 more PP minute a game). They are fairly equal with Grabovski getting the slight edge IMO. Never would i deal Grabovski for Weiss.

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02-07-2013, 03:56 PM
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Not being accusatory, but was there a reason why Garrison wasn't resigned? Seems like this is Berger speculating that the Panthers couldn't afford to lose SW for nothing, assuming the Panthers aren't in the play-off hunt at the deadline.

If Weiss want to stay, and Tallon has room in the budget to make it happen (which he should considering that Weiss is already on the books for $3.1M) there's no reason to trade him.

Just IMO, but if Weiss wants to test the UFA waters, then everything goes out the window. I'm not saying he does, but given this is the first time he's been UFA eligible, it's not ludicrous to think he might want to see what his market value is. He's a skill guy, and would likely be one of the more attactive UFA's available, which would increase his payday.
Cause Garrison wanted to play in his home area, management wanted to re-sign him, had nothing to do with money.

Weiss doesn't want finances and/or negotiations to be a distraction while he's playing. He wants to focus on the season, that's all he said.

If he's indicated to Tallon that he simply won't re-sign, Tallon will move him, unless the race is tight. And Tallon has recently said that he wants Weiss re-signed.

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02-07-2013, 03:59 PM
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Garrison was asking 6 million per from Tallon, DT was more in the range of 3.5 to 4.

IMO, what it probably came down to was term, with the amount of young d-men coming up in the next few years, Tallon didn't want to commit for too long and create a logjam on D.
Came out just before FA that he wanted to play in Vancouver, which we all know us where he went.

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Im thinking something along the lines of Stone/Ceci + Bishop gets er done.
Florida would be looking for a centre to return as they are loosing a centre. Regin and bishop.

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02-07-2013, 04:22 PM
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Florida would be looking for a centre to return as they are loosing a centre. Regin and bishop.
Regin has no value.

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02-07-2013, 04:32 PM
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No Weiss for me. Grabo is better than him in my opinion so we don't need another small #2 centre that isn't better than what we have. Hold out for the right deal/signing for a true #1C or wait for Kadri to develop into something close to it.

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02-07-2013, 04:36 PM
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The Sens make a lot of sense. It's gonna be a good prospect and a pick.

The Leafs make little sense honestly. Sure, they can use him but in all honesty, why bother until the summer? The season is gonna go one of two ways in the next couple of weeks. Gauge it more then.
I can only see the Sens as a destination if Tallon can't find a team willing to pay big for Weiss. he'd be more of a rental to fill in for Spezza; with Turris having the 2C spot locked down Weiss would be forced to the wings which wouldn't be ideal and he'd probably leave for greener grasses on July 1st.

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02-07-2013, 04:41 PM
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you can't honestly mean that grabovski is better than weiss?
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29 yo 5'11" 185 lbs.

Toi/g: 17:36
pp toi/g: 2:05

last 4 seasons (0.65ppg)

last season:
32bks
45gva
49 tka
51.5 faceoff%

corsi rel 14.9
corsi qoc 0.929
corsi rel qoc 0.686
ga on/60 2.74
ga off/60 2.94
ga off/on -0.20

gf on/60 2.80
gf off/60 2.14
gf off/on +0.66
off start% 53%

weiss
5'11" 195 lbs.

Toi/g: 20:30
pp toi/g: 3:17

last 4 seasons (0.71)

last season:
61 bks
33 gva
56 tka
53.2 faceoff%

corsi rel -2.2
corsi qoc 0.062
corsi rel qoc 0.896
ga on/60 2.52
ga off/60 2.07
ga off/on +0.45
gf on/60 2.86
gf off/60 1.72
gf off/on +1.14

off start% 55.6

maybe i exaggerated a little, but grabovski has been the better defensive player, while weiss has been playing a role in which he can exceed offensively (more starts in the offensive zone, playing 3 more es and 1 more pp minute a game). They are fairly equal with grabovski getting the slight edge imo. Never would i deal grabovski for weiss.

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02-07-2013, 04:51 PM
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I can only see the Sens as a destination if Tallon can't find a team willing to pay big for Weiss. he'd be more of a rental to fill in for Spezza; with Turris having the 2C spot locked down Weiss would be forced to the wings which wouldn't be ideal and he'd probably leave for greener grasses on July 1st.
Or put Turris on the wing.

Greener grasses? OTT is at the cap floor, they could offer him a contract as good as anybody elses.

Plus born in Toronto and the sens managment being the same guys who drafted him back in Florida, I dont see why he wont resign.

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02-07-2013, 05:11 PM
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I have no idea why the Leafs would want him. He's not a #1 centre.

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Or put Turris on the wing.

Greener grasses? OTT is at the cap floor, they could offer him a contract as good as anybody elses.

Plus born in Toronto and the sens managment being the same guys who drafted him back in Florida, I dont see why he wont resign.
I suppose Turris could be tried out at the wing too, but I don't think that would be ideal either.

Sure the Senators have room, but they also have tons of young players who will likely get their share of raises over the next few seasons. Even if they can theoretically overpay to get Weiss to stay, he could get paid and play his natural position elsewhere; that's if Turris can't work out in the wings.

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Weiss is an upgrade over Bozak but not a big enough upgrade its worth giving up a top young player.

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Weiss would be a colossal mistake for a team like the Leafs. He's not good enough. It's that simple.

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Howard Berger has the credibility of a potato.

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Hopefully not, no interest in him really.

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Two legit 2C's puts you in a better position than a lot of teams.
Exactly. If Bozak was part of the return then Weiss,grabovski and kadri as the three centers is a upgrade.

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The way I see it, Stephen Weiss is not a guy you trade for just because somebody's hurt (in this case, Spezza).

Stephen Weiss is a fine defensive player, but he's really not what anyone envisions in the context of a checking line centre... so the odds of the Sens being in a position to resign him (when they've got $10.5m committed to Spezza/Turris next year) doesn't seem all that likely.

IMO, If Stephen Weiss is going to be traded, it's going to be to a team that actually has some hope or need to resign him in the offseason. Those are the teams that are going to place the highest value on him. Anaheim and Chicago jump out to me as frontrunners... and Toronto makes some sense (although you have to deal with the issue of losing a lot of value on Bozak), but moving him to Ottawa doesn't seem to be the right move.

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I really hope not.

But look at our team history.

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We keep selling picks, young guys.
that was the Toskala trade

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I have no idea why the Leafs would want him. He's not a #1 centre.
Ya...you're right. After scoring 5 goals in our last 4 games, an offensive player is the last thing we need.

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Can Weiss play LW?

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I have no idea why the Leafs would want him. He's not a #1 centre.
You're such a Panther hater, lol. Point out of 8th, btw, told ya injured guys were what was missing.

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He's a center, he's always played center, why would anyone want him on the wing?

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You're such a Panther hater, lol. Point out of 8th, btw, told ya injured guys were what was missing.



He's a center, he's always played center, why would anyone want him on the wing?
Because there's no place for Weiss at C in Ottawa.

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Because there's no place for Weiss at C in Ottawa.
Spez out indefinitely this season, thus why they're asking, I imagine. He's a center, he's not a winger

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