HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Western Conference > Pacific Division > Edmonton Oilers
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Anton Lander

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
02-07-2013, 04:53 PM
  #26
rockinghockey
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 6,421
vCash: 500
I like the line of PRV, Lander, Harti. Lander does have to improve on his FO% and I think it is only a matter of time before they start to put points up.

rockinghockey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-07-2013, 04:55 PM
  #27
Petro Points
Registered User
 
Petro Points's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 14,343
vCash: 885
Quote:
Originally Posted by Everlasting View Post
You should have seen Lander in his last season with Timrå. The entire team fell into a slump the last couple of games, except for Lander. He carried the team on his shoulder and did what no one else did. He was just outstanding and in the last game, he secured the playoff spot by being involved in both the goals, in the 2 - 1 victory. They made the playoffs with 1 point. He was just incredible and i have not seen him that good in the oilers yet.

But once he adjust to the NHL, you will see that his greatness. However, i am a feeling that for Lander to do that, he cannot just be the 3th/4th guy who gets extra minutes on the PK. He need to get some time in the 1st or seond line. When he got that room in Timrå, he showed offensive skills too. Espacilly the skating, sometimes he just blasted through the opponents with explosive speed, that is a weapon i have never seen him use in Oilers :/
Dont disagree but it doesnt work that way at each level.. Gagner would have be even better if he played for Timra.. There is no way Lander steals away a top 6 spot from RNH of Gagner.. Just because you have great success in lower leagues does not mean it will translate into NHL.. Lennart friggin Petrell had 10 goals in Euorope this season but will never be expected to be offensive in NHL.. Lander will have to carve out a similar career for himself. He plays well with Paajarvi and Hartikainen so he has a hope of sticking on the big club.. Aside from that and his work ethic he would not be a big upgrade on other 3rd\4th liners in this league...

Petro Points is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-07-2013, 05:02 PM
  #28
Everlasting
Registered User
 
Everlasting's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Somwhere in time
Country: Sweden
Posts: 4,362
vCash: 807
The point was that in Timrå, Anton Lander had a diffrent role, which means that he had possibilites and chances to do certin things on the ice which his role in the oillers dont let him do. When he does adjust and can expand his game in that role, you will see more of what we in Sweden saw

And "Europe" is a continent with over 40 diffrent countries, so to say, "he scored goals in Europe" means absolutely nothing...

Everlasting is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-07-2013, 05:10 PM
  #29
Ladra
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 327
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Everlasting View Post
The point was that in Timrå, Anton Lander had a diffrent role, which means that he had possibilites and chances to do certin things on the ice which his role in the oillers dont let him do. When he does adjust and can expand his game in that role, you will see more of what we in Sweden saw

And "Europe" is a continent with over 40 diffrent countries, so to say, "he scored goals in Europe" means absolutely nothing...
I love Lander and he is one of my favorites. But I would never have him in a top 6 role. He has more heart than alot of players, he is willing to learn. He doesn't have great hands, and he didn't in Timrå either. In Timrå he made things happen with his heart, but I think he will need to improve alot for doing that in the NHL level. My biggest knock on him is his speed and acceleration.

I really really hopes he can stay here long time.

Ladra is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
02-07-2013, 09:14 PM
  #30
ohheyhemsky
Registered User
 
ohheyhemsky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: The Den
Country: Indonesia
Posts: 9,476
vCash: 50
Any news?

ohheyhemsky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-07-2013, 10:00 PM
  #31
Baronsfan
Registered User
 
Baronsfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 512
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Everlasting View Post
You should have seen Lander in his last season with Timrå. The entire team fell into a slump the last couple of games, except for Lander. He carried the team on his shoulder and did what no one else did. He was just outstanding and in the last game, he secured the playoff spot by being involved in both the goals, in the 2 - 1 victory. They made the playoffs with 1 point. He was just incredible and i have not seen him that good in the oilers yet.

But once he adjust to the NHL, you will see that his greatness. However, i am a feeling that for Lander to do that, he cannot just be the 3th/4th guy who gets extra minutes on the PK. He need to get some time in the 1st or seond line. When he got that room in Timrå, he showed offensive skills too. Espacilly the skating, sometimes he just blasted through the opponents with explosive speed, that is a weapon i have never seen him use in Oilers :/
I like Lander, but he was a marginal/below average top 6 center in the AHL, so I would say to expect anything more than a 3C would be a pipe dream.

Lander is what he is, a valuable player that makes up for his lack of offensive instincts with his intangibles. That's my take after watching him the past two seasons in OKC atleast.

Baronsfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-08-2013, 12:51 AM
  #32
nofool6110
Best @ tanking ainec
 
nofool6110's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,042
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ohheyhemsky View Post
Any news?
"Day-to-day". Bone bruises are hard to judge - range from days to weeks to months. He had a boot and crutches on at the game last night, so don't get your hopes up for him on Saturday. Maybe next week if he's made of titanium if he heals well.

Best not rush him and get him re-injured.

nofool6110 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-08-2013, 01:02 AM
  #33
molsonmuscle360
Registered User
 
molsonmuscle360's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Ft. McMurray Ab
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,293
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by nofool6110 View Post
"Day-to-day". Bone bruises are hard to judge - range from days to weeks to months. He had a boot and crutches on at the game last night, so don't get your hopes up for him on Saturday. Maybe next week if he's made of titanium if he heals well.

Best not rush him and get him re-injured.
It's basically all on the swelling probably. Once he can comfortably fit his foot into a skate and it doesn't hurt to skate around he'll be good. Hell, I've heard of guys using a skate bigger to just fit it in...But that's probably more of a playoff type thing.

molsonmuscle360 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-08-2013, 01:29 AM
  #34
OiledUp
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Country: Sweden
Posts: 990
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Everlasting View Post
You should have seen Lander in his last season with Timrå. The entire team fell into a slump the last couple of games, except for Lander. He carried the team on his shoulder and did what no one else did. He was just outstanding and in the last game, he secured the playoff spot by being involved in both the goals, in the 2 - 1 victory. They made the playoffs with 1 point. He was just incredible and i have not seen him that good in the oilers yet.

But once he adjust to the NHL, you will see that his greatness. However, i am a feeling that for Lander to do that, he cannot just be the 3th/4th guy who gets extra minutes on the PK. He need to get some time in the 1st or seond line. When he got that room in Timrå, he showed offensive skills too. Espacilly the skating, sometimes he just blasted through the opponents with explosive speed, that is a weapon i have never seen him use in Oilers :/
Pretty much every player coming into the league has been a dominant force before they made their NHL debut. That's why they're in the league in the first place. But the NHL is a different animal, so much higher level than anything else in the hockey world.

OiledUp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-08-2013, 06:10 AM
  #35
LaGu
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Taino
Posts: 1,618
vCash: 500
I think it isn't that surprising that some Swedes expect big things from Lander. He has more than once been compared to Zetterberg since their careers, development curves and qualities are quite similar (except that Lander chose to come over at the age of 20 while Zetterberg came over at age 22).

Personally I can acknowledge that there are several things that these player have in common (I'm obviously considering Zetterberg at the age of 21-22). That said I would say that it is very very unlikely that Lander will become a new Zetterberg (my personal opinion is that it won't happen), but who knows.

I do think that he will be able to lock down a 3rd centre spot once he has polished up the parts of his game that is still lacking, probably within a year or two.

Hopefully he'll be good to go soon, I really want to see more of him in the Oilers before this season is over.

LaGu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-08-2013, 07:08 AM
  #36
OiledUp
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Country: Sweden
Posts: 990
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LaGu View Post
I think it isn't that surprising that some Swedes expect big things from Lander. He has more than once been compared to Zetterberg since their careers, development curves and qualities are quite similar (except that Lander chose to come over at the age of 20 while Zetterberg came over at age 22).

Personally I can acknowledge that there are several things that these player have in common (I'm obviously considering Zetterberg at the age of 21-22). That said I would say that it is very very unlikely that Lander will become a new Zetterberg (my personal opinion is that it won't happen), but who knows.

I do think that he will be able to lock down a 3rd centre spot once he has polished up the parts of his game that is still lacking, probably within a year or two.

Hopefully he'll be good to go soon, I really want to see more of him in the Oilers before this season is over.
Yeah but come on, that was always a somewhat ridiculous comparison. They have/had simlarities on the defensive side of the game and the fact they were always smart players. But Zetterberg always had better hands and vision than Anton and also is/was a better skater. Anton has always been a leader, hardworking, smart defensively, ok playmaking skills, matured early and thus putting up ok but never great offensive numbers.

I think Anton will improve slightly offensively and become a solid 3rd line center, swedes tend to take a little time adjusting to the NHL and usually don't put up big numbers the first couple of seasons. He's already NHL ready on the defensive side of the game IMO. FO's was a strength of his before he came into the league so I think he'll figure it out.
Will probably be a great guy to have in the playoffs down the road. IF we ever get there...

OiledUp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-08-2013, 08:26 AM
  #37
LaGu
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Taino
Posts: 1,618
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by OiledUp View Post
Yeah but come on, that was always a somewhat ridiculous comparison. They have/had simlarities on the defensive side of the game and the fact they were always smart players. But Zetterberg always had better hands and vision than Anton and also is/was a better skater. Anton has always been a leader, hardworking, smart defensively, ok playmaking skills, matured early and thus putting up ok but never great offensive numbers.

I think Anton will improve slightly offensively and become a solid 3rd line center, swedes tend to take a little time adjusting to the NHL and usually don't put up big numbers the first couple of seasons. He's already NHL ready on the defensive side of the game IMO. FO's was a strength of his before he came into the league so I think he'll figure it out.
Will probably be a great guy to have in the playoffs down the road. IF we ever get there...
Why do I have to come on? I agree with basically everything you write. I was just trying to reason over the fact that many Swedes have high expectations and what lies behind it. I don't think he'll become a Zetterberg, or even 1/2 a Zetterberg, but can I understand where these comparisons come from.

LaGu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-08-2013, 08:39 AM
  #38
LaGu
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Taino
Posts: 1,618
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by OiledUp View Post
Yeah but come on, that was always a somewhat ridiculous comparison. They have/had simlarities on the defensive side of the game and the fact they were always smart players. But Zetterberg always had better hands and vision than Anton and also is/was a better skater. Anton has always been a leader, hardworking, smart defensively, ok playmaking skills, matured early and thus putting up ok but never great offensive numbers.

I think Anton will improve slightly offensively and become a solid 3rd line center, swedes tend to take a little time adjusting to the NHL and usually don't put up big numbers the first couple of seasons. He's already NHL ready on the defensive side of the game IMO. FO's was a strength of his before he came into the league so I think he'll figure it out. Will probably be a great guy to have in the playoffs down the road. IF we ever get there...
Same here, but one thing that needs to be pointed out in terms of his face off % is that he is already a close 3rd after Horcoff (Belanger no 1) when looking at EV faceoffs at 47%. His total faceoff % goes down due to the faceoffs taken short handed where he generally goes up against the other teams no1 or no2 guy. That's no excuse but still.

edit: This is also valid for last year by the way. Lander at 43.3% FO% but remove the SH FO's and he climbs to 46%. Also noteworthy that he was no 3 in the number of SH faceoffs taken (44).


Last edited by LaGu: 02-08-2013 at 08:51 AM.
LaGu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-08-2013, 08:55 AM
  #39
OiledUp
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Country: Sweden
Posts: 990
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LaGu View Post
Why do I have to come on? I agree with basically everything you write. I was just trying to reason over the fact that many Swedes have high expectations and what lies behind it. I don't think he'll become a Zetterberg, or even 1/2 a Zetterberg, but can I understand where these comparisons come from.
Sry if I came off douchy, wasn't my intention. Just that the comparison as such always bothered me since it imo was quite a stretch and gave people expectations that'll never be met.

I like Anton, I think he'll be a great guy to have on our roster, he's the kind of player you need to go far in the post-season.

One thing everyone has to remember is that these 3rd liners, PK and defensive specialists ususally take a bit longer to arrive than offensive players since it's less about raw talent and more about smartness and physicality. Lander will be fine.

OiledUp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-08-2013, 08:59 AM
  #40
joestevens29
Registered User
 
joestevens29's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 25,309
vCash: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by Everlasting View Post
The point was that in Timrå, Anton Lander had a diffrent role, which means that he had possibilites and chances to do certin things on the ice which his role in the oillers dont let him do. When he does adjust and can expand his game in that role, you will see more of what we in Sweden saw

And "Europe" is a continent with over 40 diffrent countries, so to say, "he scored goals in Europe" means absolutely nothing...
Keep in mind he had every chance to do what ever he wanted in OKC.

joestevens29 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-08-2013, 12:18 PM
  #41
oilers4life5
Registered User
 
oilers4life5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: City of Champions
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,343
vCash: 500
Broken foot. Out at least 4 weeks. Ouch! It's all over twitter

oilers4life5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-08-2013, 12:22 PM
  #42
GreatKeith
Super Smashed Oilers
 
GreatKeith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 11,262
vCash: 50
It's unbelievable how bad this team's luck is.

GreatKeith is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-08-2013, 12:24 PM
  #43
The Nuge
Farewell Smytty
 
The Nuge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Vancouver, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 14,941
vCash: 1026
Quote:
Originally Posted by oilers4life5 View Post
Broken foot. Out at least 4 weeks. Ouch! It's all over twitter
Well crap

The Nuge is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-08-2013, 12:28 PM
  #44
jadeddog
Registered User
 
jadeddog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Regina, Saskatchewan
Posts: 11,824
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by oilers4life5 View Post
Broken foot. Out at least 4 weeks. Ouch! It's all over twitter
pretty much what we all expected.... so RNH is banged up, gagner is healthy, belanger should be back to being healthy in a few more days.... horcoff out for 4-6 weeks, lander out for 4-6 weeks

i guess VV will get an extended callup now, and then we have to pray no more centers get injured, and that RNH doesn't re-aggrevate his injury... or (i know, its crazy talk) tambo actually makes a hockey trade to fill a need

jadeddog is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
02-08-2013, 12:31 PM
  #45
joestevens29
Registered User
 
joestevens29's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 25,309
vCash: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by jadeddog View Post
pretty much what we all expected.... so RNH is banged up, gagner is healthy, belanger should be back to being healthy in a few more days.... horcoff out for 4-6 weeks, lander out for 4-6 weeks

i guess VV will get an extended callup now, and then we have to pray no more centers get injured, and that RNH doesn't re-aggrevate his injury... or (i know, its crazy talk) tambo actually makes a hockey trade to fill a need
Make the move now.

joestevens29 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-08-2013, 12:37 PM
  #46
The Last Dynasty
Big #1 C
 
The Last Dynasty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: St. OILbert
Country: Canada
Posts: 12,812
vCash: 500
time for Tambo to do something

Horcoff and Lander out a long time so we're down to RNH-Gagner-Belanger-VV

who knows how long RNH's shoulder will hold up

trade for ROR already Tambo!

The Last Dynasty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-08-2013, 12:59 PM
  #47
GreatKeith
Super Smashed Oilers
 
GreatKeith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 11,262
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Last Dynasty View Post
time for Tambo to do something

Horcoff and Lander out a long time so we're down to RNH-Gagner-Belanger-VV

who knows how long RNH's shoulder will hold up

trade for ROR already Tambo!
The Avs won't give him to us without a significant piece going back the other way. As unfortunate as it is, the Avs aren't going to deal within the division.

GreatKeith is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-08-2013, 01:02 PM
  #48
Hockey Nightmare
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 3,110
vCash: 500
Maybe they should start wearing kevlar skates.

Hockey Nightmare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-08-2013, 01:17 PM
  #49
McClelland
Registered User
 
McClelland's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Bergen
Country: Norway
Posts: 1,063
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by OiledUp View Post
Yeah but come on, that was always a somewhat ridiculous comparison. They have/had simlarities on the defensive side of the game and the fact they were always smart players. But Zetterberg always had better hands and vision than Anton and also is/was a better skater. Anton has always been a leader, hardworking, smart defensively, ok playmaking skills, matured early and thus putting up ok but never great offensive numbers.

I think Anton will improve slightly offensively and become a solid 3rd line center, swedes tend to take a little time adjusting to the NHL and usually don't put up big numbers the first couple of seasons. He's already NHL ready on the defensive side of the game IMO. FO's was a strength of his before he came into the league so I think he'll figure it out.
Will probably be a great guy to have in the playoffs down the road. IF we ever get there...
Zetterberg is a late bloomer and drafted in 7th round, lander is a second rounder so the comparison isnt out of line in age 21. Then that zetterberg developed to a first line stellar C was a surprise at least for the scouts, there were 209 player taken at the draft in front of zetterberg.

McClelland is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-08-2013, 01:48 PM
  #50
OiledUp
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Country: Sweden
Posts: 990
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by McClelland View Post
Zetterberg is a late bloomer and drafted in 7th round, lander is a second rounder so the comparison isnt out of line in age 21. Then that zetterberg developed to a first line stellar C was a surprise at least for the scouts, there were 209 player taken at the draft in front of zetterberg.
The whole Zetterberg being a late bloomer thing isn't quite true, reason he got drafted so late is likely that he played SEL3 with Timrå his draft year. He played against senior players as an 18 year old. He was near PPG in the SEL age 20 on a weak Timrå team. Not really a late bloomer and always an offensively gifted player.

As compared to Lander it's more the case of Lander being a really early bloomer who matured quickly and made his debut in the SEL age 16, which might have hindered him developing his offense but at least draft day he was drafted as a responsible two way centerman who could top out as a #2C if his offense got going but a safe bet as a good 3rd line C.
When he broke out some said he could be a number one but I think that was mainly from being impressed with him being so young playing against men. He was always unflashy and well-rounded, never lights out offensively.

Sorry for going a bit off the rails here.
On topic sucks for him having a broken foot, especially as he'd had a great chance to break into the big club with Horcoff gone.

OiledUp is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:53 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.