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02-07-2013, 10:30 PM
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Really good question! Probably Despres, though I would prefer it be Bortuzzo. I think Bort will retain his game even if he sits out a few, while I think Despres has to continue to play to grow and improve within his skill set.
I don't know how you bench Despres. I mean, I do in the sense that he gives you more right now. BUT, IMO, if you keep letting Despres go and play, he'll be the better choice when the playoffs come.

Plus, I don't know what it is, but it just seems like the team feeds a little off the youthful enthusiasm of Despres (and Bortuzzo to a lesser extent).

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There's absolutely no way Despres should sit instead of Bort. I like Bort, but come on. Simon Despres has too much talent to have him be the odd one out.

Bort is never gonna add the type of goals or passes that Despres does. The only edge Bort has on Despres is toughness. I'd rather have the more talented hockey player playing.
both need to play to improve...have em take turns?

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02-07-2013, 10:31 PM
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So did Steve Sullivan. Problem is a smallish guy like that forces Geno and Neal to play away from and not to their strengths.

That's not to say that Jeffrey IS a better option. More to say that neither is what you need there.
Well we could try changing up the lines a bit... but I digress.

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Because he is much better at supporting Geno and Neal when it comes to possession and defensive positioning. That is pretty much all they need. He acts as a genuine third wheel, he can win 50/50 puck battles and stand his ground down low.

Boychuck tries to be what he should be as a player - a scoring forward. And he has gotten some chances and is unlucky not to have connected. Again - I am not saying that he is not an interesting player for us.

I am saying that we completely KNOW what is integral to a third wheel with Malkin, and Boychuck is just about the furthest you can get from it. I said it from the moment we picked him up and we were told that he'd be tried with Malkin (and yes KIRK, you certainly did too ).
A case of a blind squirrel finding an acorn, I can assure you.

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Reading through some stuff on the Caps board, it seems like this is related to him not starting the game, not the loss.
He is more mad at not starting that he is at losing? What a *** baby..

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Well we could try changing up the lines a bit... but I digress.
Please don't.

Speaking of which, that was a pretty weak rotating by Craig Adams that left the cross seam pass to Ovi-Wan-Jabroni open on that PP goal.

Should've had Joe out there instead.

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What's up with Letang? I only got to see the last 5 mins of the game. My kid had Senior Night tonight. Can't skip that for television.

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I think we could start seeing a bit of a rotation on D. Or lets just dress Engo as Geno and Neal's LW and he can take some shifts on D when needed.

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both need to play to improve...have em take turns?
Play both Despres and Bortuzzo. Yeah, Nisky is better now. Come April, if you play them, Despres and Bortuzzo will be better choices for the playoffs.

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The other plus for having Despres, Bortuzzo with Niskanen on the way back is they can be added in packages for a winger.

Of the 3 Bort and Niskanen would hopefully be in the deal but i could see alot of teams wanting Despres.

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Please don't.

Speaking of which, that was a pretty weak rotating by Craig Adams that left the cross seam pass to Ovi-Wan-Jabroni open on that PP goal.

Should've had Joe out there instead.
I've always said that Craig Adams is great at what he does, but what he does isn't that great.

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As Cole mentioned, the Engo-Borts pair is starting to resemble the Gill-Scuds pair (except Borts can move the puck a little). No way you **** with that. You can't touch Orpik-Martin.

So, basically, it's Despres or Niskanen. Niskanen probably gives you a little more now. But, the way Despres is developing, IMO he'll be the better choice come April when the playoffs start.



We have no way of knowing that. I've seen far more young D-men slide backwards their first year than the other way around.

I mentioned it in the other thread, but I'll mention it here again, because while I think we should temper some expectations, I think both Bort and Despres should keep playing.

I think Engelland should sit. I don't think he's been as good as many think he has.

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I don't know how you bench Despres. I mean, I do in the sense that he gives you more right now. BUT, IMO, if you keep letting Despres go and play, he'll be the better choice when the playoffs come.

Plus, I don't know what it is, but it just seems like the team feeds a little off the youthful enthusiasm of Despres (and Bortuzzo to a lesser extent).
I hate to be over the top, but Despres had made some passes (Made one today in the 1st period again) that I don't think anyone else on the team makes. He has amazing vision and can get a puck through traffic. I don't want him sat, I really don't. I hate to say that Niskanen got Wally Pipped, but he kinda did.

That's why I said he should be the one moved for whatever Shero's plan is - IF someone has to be moved.

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I think we could start seeing a bit of a rotation on D. I wouldn't hate 7D some nights even. Especially nights where we think Engo might fight someone.
Engelland is playing great, but right now I'd rather see how this d-lineup would look if everybody was healthy and Engo was on the bench with Bortuzzo in his place.

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I think we could start seeing a bit of a rotation on D.
Oh, I'm sure that's what WILL happen.

Given the cohesion right now of this defensive unit, I think it would be a mistake. Sometimes, a guy gets injured when the team is playing so-so, and his spot is gone by the time he comes back when the team is playing better.

But, again, I do think Bylsma goes to a rotation.

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Play both Despres and Bortuzzo. Yeah, Nisky is better now. Come April, if you play them, Despres and Bortuzzo will be better choices for the playoffs.
better than Niskanen by April? I'm not sure I buy that.

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What happened to Letang? Missed all but the last 5 mins.

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What's up with Letang? I only got to see the last 5 mins of the game. My kid had Senior Night tonight. Can't skip that for television.
Lower Body injury Day to Day according to Bylsma.

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Oh, I'm sure that's what WILL happen.

Given the cohesion right now of this defensive unit, I think it would be a mistake. Sometimes, a guy gets injured when the team is playing so-so, and his spot is gone by the time he comes back when the team is playing better.

But, again, I do think Bylsma goes to a rotation.
Orpik - Martin
Despres - Letang
Niskanen - Bortuzzo
Engelland

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We have no way of knowing that. I've seen far more young D-men slide backwards their first year than the other way around.

I mentioned it in the other thread, but I'll mention it here again, because while I think we should temper some expectations, I think both Bort and Despres should keep playing.

I think Engelland should sit. I don't think he's been as good as many think he has.
No, we don't. But, I've seen enough of Nisky in Dallas and Pittsburgh during the playoffs to know what he brings to the table (good and bad).

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But, most of the time, it's like he's going out of his way to cover defensively in a way that he never would (or needed to) with Kunitz (or Talbot or Malone).
I'd argue you can thank Paul Maurice for that just as much as not having Kunitz there.

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Interesting...



EDIT: Supposedly it's better with video, but here's the transcript, via The Washington Times.



http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/...fter-caps-loss
Who was the one talking to Ovy in his ear at the end of the game?

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Lower Body injury Day to Day according to Bylsma.
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better than Niskanen by April? I'm not sure I buy that.
I think they may be better than Engelland though. I love Engelland and what he does for our defense, but he's the perfect #7 on an ideal roster. Bortuzzo and Despres have a higher upside than Engelland does.

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I hate to be over the top, but Despres had made some passes (Made one today in the 1st period again) that I don't think anyone else on the team makes. He has amazing vision and can get a puck through traffic. I don't want him sat, I really don't. I hate to say that Niskanen got Wally Pipped, but he kinda did.

That's why I said he should be the one moved for whatever Shero's plan is - IF someone has to be moved.
I agree with all of this.

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