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Seguin + for Ovechkin?

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02-07-2013, 09:01 PM
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False.

He is not "leaps and bounds" worth more than Seguin.
True.

He is more than "leaps and bounds" worth more than Seguin.

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02-07-2013, 09:06 PM
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Seguin > Ovechkin?

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02-07-2013, 09:07 PM
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He needs a change of scenery but I can't imagine that it would be Boston.

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02-07-2013, 09:09 PM
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Does Washington need more centers?

Does Boston have the cap space?

I am not affiliated with either fanbase, but these seem like the only things I feel prepared to comment on.
At some point we need to stop calling Seguin a center.

He's currently playing his third year in the NHL and he's still a winger.

He played 124 games as a center in junior and he's played 163 games in the NHL as a winger.... at this point I think it's safe to call him a RW.

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02-07-2013, 10:11 PM
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I would not do that deal, ever.

Ovechkin is overrated and has a terrible contract. Let the Capitals enjoy him.

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02-07-2013, 10:24 PM
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First of all to all my Bruins fans saying Seguin is better than Ovi you are delusional. Ovi is a proven elite player and has the proven record. Seguin doesn't. Players have ups and downs. Ovi is having one. Wow let's all just jump the boat here and say Ovi's career is on the downfall. Just stop is all I have to say to that. Ovi is the type of player in my opinion that could break out of his slump at any given moment.

Now, Seguin is a great player. He has skill and we've all seen it. He will be a great player I have no doubt about it. Will he ever be the player Ovi is or was? Who knows. With all that being said I don't do this trade from a Bruins perspective. We don't need Ovi and a contract like his.

Seguin is what we are building our team around. He is the future. Young, promising and on a good contract. I'd rather move forward with Seguin than Ovi and an 8 year contract. I feel like we could get a decent proven top 6 forward in the 5-6 mil dollar range on a shorter contract if that's what we really are looking for or feel a need for and not at the expense of our future and a potential mega superstar - if not than a great player which I have no doubt Seguin will be.

We don't need an Ovi even at his best on this this team at this time. A player I do like on the Caps though is Brooks Laich but he might be too expensive..

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02-07-2013, 10:27 PM
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At some point we need to stop calling Seguin a center.

He's currently playing his third year in the NHL and he's still a winger.

He played 124 games as a center in junior and he's played 163 games in the NHL as a winger.... at this point I think it's safe to call him a RW.
Well last year Kane was playing a bit and often at Center for the Hawks and it was his what, 5th season? The kid's 21. Still plenty of time.

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02-07-2013, 10:34 PM
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True.

He is more than "leaps and bounds" worth more than Seguin.

Tyler Seguin - 20 years old - $5.75M

2011/12 Season
81 GP
29 G
38 A
67 P

Alexander Ovechkin - 27 years old - $9.5M

2011/12 Season
76 GP
38 G
27 A
65 P

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02-07-2013, 10:46 PM
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02-07-2013, 10:57 PM
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Defense... Seguin knows what it is.

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02-07-2013, 11:02 PM
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Ovechkin will tear it up on a team with good coaching, guaranteed.

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02-07-2013, 11:03 PM
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OV is obviously better and more valuable, but at this point it is too risky for Boston. Good thing goin on here.

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02-07-2013, 11:23 PM
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Tyler Seguin - 20 years old - $5.75M

2011/12 Season
81 GP
29 G
38 A
67 P

Alexander Ovechkin - 27 years old - $9.5M

2011/12 Season
76 GP
38 G
27 A
65 P
Alexander Ovechkin - 20 years old - $984,200

2005/2006 Season
81 GP
52 G
44 A
106 P

Ovechkin 1st full year in NHL 106 pts, then respectively 92, 112, 110, 109, 85, 65 pts. Who knows what's to come. But I think this is a player that will bounce back.

Seguin 1st full year in NHL 67 pts.....what's to come?

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02-07-2013, 11:24 PM
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Ovechkin 1st full year in NHL 106 pts, then respectively 92, 112, 110, 109, 85, 65 pts.

Seguin 1st full year in NHL 67 pts.....what's to come?
I think you are making his point. Seguin's development has yet to come to fruition.

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02-07-2013, 11:38 PM
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I think you are making his point. Seguin's development has yet to come to fruition.
Correct, but to say Seguin is more valuable than Ovechkin is just crazy, maybe right now sure and one could make that argument with the way Ovechkin is playing, but no team is going to give up the same for Ovechkin as they would for Seguin. Ovechkin is older, who knows where he is headed, but I do expect Ovechkin to get back to being the 90+ pt player he has been for years. The Bruins will stick with a decent contract and someone younger and who is very promising. They would be stupid not to and the Bruins aren't a team that you'll see going out to get that 8 or 9 mil dollar superstar who is in slump to top it off. However, let's be honest at 20 years old Ovechkin was light years better than 20 year old Seguin at least offensively speaking....so will Seguin ever be what Ovechkin was offensively? I don't think so, but I still like Seguin and think he is a better fit on the Bruins team. A player like Ovechkin I don't see working on a team like the Bruins. I also think Seguin will improve, but how much? And for how long? And how will he improve? I am also sure Seguin have some off years in the near future too. So it's hard to say really how valuable Seguin is at this point in his career but I think at 5.75 million and based off his production/play last year the Bruins like were they are standing with him right now. They won't change it or look for something different. They don't need to.


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02-07-2013, 11:49 PM
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Yah no. I'll keep Seguin thanks.

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02-07-2013, 11:52 PM
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Correct, but to say Seguin is more valuable than Ovechkin is just crazy, maybe right now sure and one could make that argument with the way Ovechkin is playing, but no team is going to give up the same for Ovechkin as they would for Seguin. Ovechkin is older, who knows where he is headed, but I do expect Ovechkin to get back to being the 90+ pt player he has been for years. The Bruins will stick with a decent contract and someone younger and who is very promising. They would be stupid not to and the Bruins aren't a team that you'll see going out to get that 8 or 9 mil dollar superstar who is in slump to top it off. However, let's be honest at 20 years old Ovechkin was light years better than 20 year old Seguin at least offensively speaking....so will Seguin ever be what Ovechkin was offensively? I don't think so, but I still like Seguin and think he is a better fit on the Bruins team. A player like Ovechkin I don't see working on a team like the Bruins. I also think Seguin will improve, but how much? And for how long? And how will he improve? I am also sure Seguin have some off years in the near future too. So it's hard to say really how valuable Seguin is at this point in his career but I think at 5.75 million and based off his production/play last year the Bruins like were they are standing with him right now. They won't change it or look for something different. They don't need to.
Agreed and I wouldn't give up Seguin for Ovie. We don't know Seguin's potential really yet and its quite possible he will be better. With that said, there's no guarantee and I agree with you, Ovie was much better earlier. Seguin's value may not be more, but it's just not in the cards.

Ovie on the B's would be interesting. I think playing on that team if he's still motivated a couple of deep playoff runs will put Alex back into OV mode.

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The plus would probably have to be a time machine, at which point the team with the need for a time machine (with Ovechkin) wouldn't have one. Sort of like chopping off your foot and selling it to buy a shoe. Good analogy?

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02-08-2013, 12:08 AM
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In a cap based league where the sum of a team is more valuable than a over priced player this deal is a epic mistake. I would also like to add that the Bruins lineup outside of Chara and Seidenberg and Ferrence is almost exclusively under the age of 30. There is no logic what so ever to take on that contract and lose assets such as Seguin and further cap casualtys that would have to happen going forward.

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Seguin will be one of the better players in the league very soon, a point per game player or better. Who knows if Ovechkin will ever be the player he was from 05-10. Not only that but as stated, he's paid a ridiculous amount for a long time and his production has been trending down in an absolutely frightening manner.

Even if Washington wanted to trade Ovechkin, there's no way they'd get the value they would be looking for.

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As a Habs fan it is hard to admit but the Bruins have the makings of a dynasty. They simply don't need Ovie to reach their means and certainly shouldn't risk swapping premium pieces/prospects in return of an enigmatic player with an albatross contract. Simply doesn't fit in their model.

Nothing against Ovie as I was his fan and still think that he was the most exciting player to watch in the last 10-15 years. He just isn't his own shadow anymore.

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This needs to be a poll.

Ovechkin for Seguin straight up.

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This needs to be a poll.

Ovechkin for Seguin straight up.
can we add Kessel to the poll too, just for the hilarity

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02-08-2013, 12:14 PM
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Ov couldnt get you Seguin right now

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Ovie was one of my favourite players
I loved the way he played the game and his passion on and off the ice. he was a true fan of the game

when a player has such a sudden drop off from dominance its a big flag
maybe its something to do with the C
maybe its something else but at this point and for as long as its been it looks/feels a lot less like a slump and more like a shift either mentally and/or physically for him.

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