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Evgeny Kuznetsov to Edmonton

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02-08-2013, 08:44 AM
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Evgeny Kuznetsov to Edmonton

Washington needs a shake up, Edmonton is still rebuilding. Kuznetsov is already a great player, but he's going to stay in Russia until 2014/2015 season. However, Kuznetsov & Yakupov could form a dangerous scoring threat for years to come. Edmonton has several good pieces behind their Big 5 that could help the Caps right now + picks and prospects. Is there a trade here?

Untouchables: RNH, Eberle, Hall, Yakupov, J.Schultz

Discuss.

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02-08-2013, 08:46 AM
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Washington needs a shake up, Edmonton is still rebuilding. Kuznetsov is already a great player, but he's going to stay in Russia until 2014/2015 season. However, Kuznetsov & Yakupov could form a dangerous scoring threat for years to come. Edmonton has several good pieces behind their Big 5 that could help the Caps right now + picks and prospects. Is there a trade here?

Untouchables: RNH, Eberle, Hall, Yakupov, J.Schultz

Discuss.
With that untouchables list, don't expect much of a good response.

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With that untouchables list, don't expect much of a good response.
Clearly Kuznetsov is worth one of first overall selections. Tambo would be fired.

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Uh, if the Caps are bad (and they are) why would they trade a cheap young player?

They would not. They would move their aging vets for more cheap young players.

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With that untouchables list, don't expect much of a good response.
Kuznetsov isn't going to play a single NHL game until 2014/2015. He might even play his entire career in Russia. Edmonton isn't trading their young core for a gamble like that.

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Uh, if the Caps are bad (and they are) why would they trade a cheap young player?
Becasue they would like to make the playoffs this year and the next?

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Kuznetsov isn't going to play a single NHL game until 2014/2015. He might even play his entire career in Russia. Edmonton isn't trading their young core for a gamble like that.



Becasue they would like to make the playoffs this year and the next?
Who on Edmonton, excluding the "untouchable" players, would make a terrible team into a playoff team?

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Kuznetsov isn't going to play a single NHL game until 2014/2015. He might even play his entire career in Russia. Edmonton isn't trading their young core for a gamble like that.



Becasue they would like to make the playoffs this year and the next?
Well, they have to go at 100 point pace the rest of the way (something like 22-10) to have a legitimate shot at making the playoffs.

It's not really feasible this year.

Next season, I could see dealing younger talents for vets. But this? They're already probably done.

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Washington needs a shake up, Edmonton is still rebuilding. Kuznetsov is already a great player, but he's going to stay in Russia until 2014/2015 season. However, Kuznetsov & Yakupov could form a dangerous scoring threat for years to come. Edmonton has several good pieces behind their Big 5 that could help the Caps right now + picks and prospects. Is there a trade here?

Untouchables: RNH, Eberle, Hall, Yakupov, J.Schultz

Discuss.
So ... the Caps suck and need a shakeup. Why trade its best prospect, for clearly next to nothing. Outside the names you mentioned, there is very little Washington would want from you on your roster. You build with this kid and don't trade him for recycled names or spare parts.

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Caps don't trade Kuznetsov unless one of RNH, Hall, Yakupov, or Eberle are coming back. End of story.

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Clearly Kuznetsov is worth one of first overall selections. Tambo would be fired.
So which Oiler players do you propose Washington look to acquire in exchange for their top prospect?

Hemsky?
Whitney?
Horcoff?
Petry?

The usual suspects? No chance. I understand not wanting to trade away any of the Oilers young guns, but that also means you dont have the assets to acquire a young stud center w/ very good potential.

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I'm tired of continually adding youth. We need some grizzled, veterans on this team.

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Kuznetsov isn't going to play a single NHL game until 2014/2015. He might even play his entire career in Russia. Edmonton isn't trading their young core for a gamble like that.
Ok, then why do the Oilers need him? Do they need to trade assets for this "gamble" when they have a very good young scoring core? Does Edmonton really need another high end offensive prospect?

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So ... the Caps suck and need a shakeup. Why trade its best prospect, for clearly next to nothing. Outside the names you mentioned, there is very little Washington would want from you on your roster. You build with this kid and don't trade him for recycled names or spare parts.
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Caps don't trade Kuznetsov unless one of RNH, Hall, Yakupov, or Eberle are coming back. End of story.
Typical HF ******** ...
Give your head a shake and watch some Oiler games if you think guys like Gagner, Hemsky, Hartikainen, Paajarvi, Smid, N.Schultz and Petry have no value ...

Just because they are 'recycled names' does not mean they dont hold value.

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Typical HF ******** ...
Give your head a shake and watch some Oiler games if you dont think guys like Gagner, Hemsky, Hartikainen, Paajarvi, Smid, N.Schultz and Petry have no value ...

Just because they are 'recycled names' does not mean they dont hold value.
I never said they didn't hold value. I said the Capitals aren't interested in trading Kuznetsov for them.

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Washington needs a shake up, Edmonton is still rebuilding. Kuznetsov is already a great player, but he's going to stay in Russia until 2014/2015 season. However, Kuznetsov & Yakupov could form a dangerous scoring threat for years to come. Edmonton has several good pieces behind their Big 5 that could help the Caps right now + picks and prospects. Is there a trade here?

Untouchables: RNH, Eberle, Hall, Yakupov, J.Schultz

Discuss.
Typical. EVERY Edmonton proposal -- give me your top young players -- you can't have ours. Zero motivation for anyone in the league to make these deals and unless you;ve been under a rock you would have noticed the response in 100's of Edmonton posts just like this.

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Caps don't trade Kuznetsov unless one of RNH, Hall, Yakupov, or Eberle are coming back. End of story.


You're out of your mind.

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Typical. EVERY Edmonton proposal -- give me your top young players -- you can't have ours. Zero motivation for anyone in the league to make these deals and unless you;ve been under a rock you would have noticed the response in 100's of Edmonton posts just like this.
The tier of the young players is where the difference is. It'd be like the Oilers wanting Erik Karlsson in exchange for Oskar Klefbom. Both young defensemen right?

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There is zero incentive to do this for the Capitals.

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I understand not wanting to trade away any of the Oilers young guns, but that also means you dont have the assets to acquire a young stud center w/ very good potential.
Who may never play a single NHL game. People have to take this into account when dicussing about possible return.

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Does Edmonton really need another high end offensive prospect?
Yes they do. They also need to strenghten the center position. So going after a player like Kuznetsov would make a ton of sense. Plus, having another young Russian forward in Edmonton could be beneficial for Yakupov on and off the ice.

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I never said they didn't hold value. I said the Capitals aren't interested in trading Kuznetsov for them.
But your comment was as ignorant as saying EDM would not trade Klefbom to WSH unless one of Backstrom and Alzner are coming back.

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Typical. EVERY Edmonton proposal -- give me your top young players -- you can't have ours. Zero motivation for anyone in the league to make these deals and unless you;ve been under a rock you would have noticed the response in 100's of Edmonton posts just like this.
Yes because it would really make sense to trade one of EDM's top liners each of which is good enough to challenge for team Canada olympic team for a very good prospect who might never play for EDM ..
The point of OP was that EDM is still rebuilding while WSH might want to push for playoffs this year and make some trades. A rebuilding team would not move a key core player.

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Kuznetsov for a 2013 first (if it's top-ten) + seems like a good foundation value-wise, but I don't see the motive for the Capitals. Unless they want a top rookie to come in earlier with more ELC years, but then again they have their own pick for that.

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Who may never play a single NHL game. People have to take this into account when dicussing about possible return.

Yes they do. They also need to strenghten the center position. So going after a player like Kuznetsov would make a ton of sense.
most sites list him as a RW ...

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You're out of your mind.
Who else on Edmonton's roster tempts the worst team in the NHL to trade their best prospect?

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But your comment was as ignorant as saying EDM would not trade Klefbom to WSH unless one of Backstrom and Alzner are coming back.
How is speaking the truth ignorant?

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No trade can be made here.

But good Kuznetsov is so under rated here.
It's like the Tarasenko situation all over again.

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