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02-08-2013, 10:24 AM
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Don't see the Isles adding TT as anything but a bad thing for Islander fans. It is clear that at this point in the season they are planning to shed (real) salary and need phantom salary to stay above the minimum.

As far as the dumping of salary, I see Streit being traded once Viz is settled and shows he is capable.

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02-08-2013, 10:53 AM
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Nothing wrong with Strait. And it's not unheard of to find quality through the waiver wire. Guys are waived for a variety of reasons. Perhaps not the greatest example in light of his current level of play, but I doubt Los Angeles was unhappy with getting Quincey off waivers in 2008 when he put up 38 points for them.

Not to mention, the Islanders have had success with that method. Moulson is pretty good. And I guess the Sharks didn't have an NHL-caliber offense when they added Wellwood off waivers a couple seasons back.
Point taken on the waiver wire point but while Strait may be the 4th~ best d-man on the Islanders, he isn't a #4 d-man in the NHL. The point is that the defensive depth being cited is illusory for a team that wants to compete, and that it may be unwise to be dismissive of ways to improve the team based on the illusory depth.

The Sharks didn't think enough of Wellwood to offer him a contract the next year, so I am not sure that is a very good counter-example.

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02-08-2013, 11:03 AM
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Don't see the Isles adding TT as anything but a bad thing for Islander fans. It is clear that at this point in the season they are planning to shed (real) salary and need phantom salary to stay above the minimum.

As far as the dumping of salary, I see Streit being traded once Viz is settled and shows he is capable.
Cappy said several days ago that they wanted Vis, to ease the overworking of Streit/Hamonic/MacDonald.

Was it Wang's interview in the preseason about making a run for the playoffs, that led to the belief that 10 games into the season, the isles are about to trade their best vets in salary dumps, start preparing for 2013-2014?

Or was it the playoff comments from Cappy and Weight, that led to the belief that 10 games into the season, the isles have given up on the season if they find themselves hovering around .500 ten games in?

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Point taken on the waiver wire point but while Strait may be the 4th~ best d-man on the Islanders, he isn't a #4 d-man in the NHL. The point is that the defensive depth being cited is illusory for a team that wants to compete, and that it may be unwise to be dismissive of ways to improve the team based on the illusory depth.

The Sharks didn't think enough of Wellwood to offer him a contract the next year, so I am not sure that is a very good counter-example.
According to some armchair gms, Moulson' with his three straight 30 goal seasons, isn't a 1st liner and MacDonald who's played solid 1st pairing mins, for a few seasons, isn't even a solid top 4 d-man.

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According to some armchair gms, Moulson' with his three straight 30 goal seasons, isn't a 1st liner and MacDonald who's played solid 1st pairing mins, for a few seasons, isn't even a solid top 4 d-man.
If you buy into the notion that defense wins cups, look at it from a different perspective: where would Strait be penciled in on the Kings, Blues, Canucks, Sharks or Bruins D? He isn't a #4, and I am not sure he is even in the line-up absent injuries (i.e. #7-#8 d-man?).

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Fueling the rumor... Okposo isn't on the ice today, and nobody knows why. This is from Islanderspointblank.com

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It is interesting that Arthur Staple hasn't tweeted anything about it, if it was a day off I'd imagine he would be mention it fairly quickly....something to watch for sure whether it is a trade or an injury.

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If you buy into the notion that defense wins cups, look at it from a different perspective: where would Strait be penciled in on the Kings, Blues, Canucks, Sharks or Bruins D? He isn't a #4, and I am not sure he is even in the line-up absent injuries (i.e. #7-#8 d-man?).
People are expecting the isles to go from 4th/5th worst record in the NHL, to SC contender in 1 season?

If Vis had not refused to come to camp, then Hamonic/ MacDonald/Vis/ Streit are the isles top 4. Strait's on the 3rd pairing.


Based on how the isles are building their team: through the draft, with homegrown talent, I am counting on blueline contributions from Hamonic, MacDonald, Reinhart, De Haan, Donovan, Pelech and Mayfield.

Strait and even Hickey, have been nice surprises. So long as Strait plays solidly, I'll pay as much attention to his detractors, as I do Moulson and Andrew MacDonald's.

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02-08-2013, 11:28 AM
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Fueling the rumor... Okposo isn't on the ice today, and nobody knows why. This is from Islanderspointblank.com
As an old X-file fan, I kinda get a kick out of the conspiracy angles on this board


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Okposo off ice today because of illness. He's expected back tmrw. Bailey in his spot on 2nd line, expected to be activated pending paperwork

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People are expecting the isles to go from 4th/5th worst record in the NHL, to SC contender in 1 season?.
Love the hyperbole. That aside, the point here is that in order to improve their record they need to get better, and having Strait as their #4 d-man isn't going to accomplish that.

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If Vis had not refused to come to camp, then Hamonic/ MacDonald/Vis/ Streit are the isles top 4. Strait's on the 3rd pairing.
So Strait shouldn't be a #4 even on the Islanders, like he wouldn't be a #4 on any other NHL team? I am not sure I could make my point better than that. Thank you.

I am now a bit confused as to the point you are arguing however...

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Love the hyperbole. That aside, the point here is that in order to improve their record they need to get better, and having Strait as their #4 d-man isn't going to accomplish that.



So Strait shouldn't be a #4 even on the Islanders, like he wouldn't be a #4 on any other NHL team? I am not sure I could make my point better than that. Thank you.

I am now a bit confused as to the point you are arguing however...
You are right, they do need to get better. Since Snow is saying he's building around his youth, fans should understand why Snow would rather see what Strome/B. Nelson bring to the top 6, before looking elsewhere for a potential 2nd line center.

Reinhart had a solid 1st training camp. Donovan made the 2012-2013 AHL all-star team. De haan was Bridgeport's most poised d-man before injuring his shoulder. Since Snow's building around home grown youngsters, shouldn't he see what these youngsters bring before deciding he needs to go outside the organization?

oh and as for the point about Strait... why can't he develop into a solid #4? Isles coaches scouted the AHL heavily during the lockout. Assistant coach Thompson, was Bridgeport's 2011-2012 head coach.

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It will be Marty Reasoner for a 5th or 6th round pick.

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4th for Komisarek.

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