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02-07-2013, 01:38 AM
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Frk with a goal and 2 assist, 2 hits and scored in the shootout in a 5-4 win
Ouellet with an assist in a 4-0 win

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02-07-2013, 08:00 AM
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Now, I may be raw in the talent evaluation department, considering I don't really try all that often to evaluate talent... but...

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“The thing we liked most is that his skating ability is very, very good, and he’s always skating with his head up and making the right play at the right time and not over-handling it. His decision-making under pressure was very good. He played a very solid and steady game defensively and he’s always in the right position at the right time. He’s not a heavy banging defenseman but he can separate his man from the puck. He just puts himself in the right position and makes people go into bad areas.”
Doesn't this sound like a certain someone who retired last June?

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02-07-2013, 09:41 AM
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Now, I may be raw in the talent evaluation department, considering I don't really try all that often to evaluate talent... but...



Doesn't this sound like a certain someone who retired last June?
Yes it does. Problem is we all know he won't be and if we set to high of expectations it will only lead to let down.

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02-07-2013, 09:43 AM
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Yes it does. Problem is we all know he won't be and if we set to high of expectations it will only lead to let down.
I'm not expecting him to become Lidstrom, however if I were to describe #5, those are the exact words I'd used. I'm actually not getting the Edler comparison, however. Edler has a physical game and has registered 100+ hits before.

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02-07-2013, 09:56 AM
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Doesn't this sound like a certain someone who retired last June?
They are also about the same size, shoot left, Swedish and both wear #5... It's almost creepy.

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02-07-2013, 10:16 AM
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They are also about the same size, shoot left, Swedish and both wear #5... It's almost creepy.
Did Hakkan Andersson start up his old robotics factory again?

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Did Hakkan Andersson start up his old robotics factory again?
Didn't you hear about the Swedish cloning program? Pretty sure Hakkan is on the executive committee...

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Now, I may be raw in the talent evaluation department, considering I don't really try all that often to evaluate talent... but...



Doesn't this sound like a certain someone who retired last June?
Yeah, I've been a Backman fan since he was drafted due to the way he plays the game. The good news is his offense is coming along nicely. If he can be the leading scorer among d-men in the SEL next season he'll be just about everything you could want: great skater, very good size, excellent defensive game, with a burgeoning offensive skill set. I'm glad he's being compared to Edler because being compared to Lids would be too much too soon. However I do hope we have Nick working with him and telling him everything he knows about playing defense. Sort of like an upgrade to a kick ass operating system no one else is equipped with.

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02-07-2013, 02:50 PM
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Now, I may be raw in the talent evaluation department, considering I don't really try all that often to evaluate talent... but...



Doesn't this sound like a certain someone who retired last June?
That sounds like about about 100,000 other non-physical defensemen

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02-07-2013, 06:09 PM
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Stop with the lidstrom talk, stop with the lidstrom talk!

You'll jinx it

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02-07-2013, 06:13 PM
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A see Backman more as a poor man's Jonas Brodin prospect.

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Sproul with 3A and +3 tonight

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02-08-2013, 12:02 AM
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Sproul with 3A and +3 tonight
50 pts in 35 games. leading all D, and 30th overall in scoring he is now 17-33-50

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50 pts in 35 games. leading all D, and 30th overall in scoring he is now 17-33-50
Those are the numbers of a defenseman who is just done with that league, at least offensively. Utterly ridiculous.

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50 pts in 35 games. leading all D, and 30th overall in scoring he is now 17-33-50
Cannot wait to see what this kid can do in the AHL. I for one have high high hopes for him.

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02-08-2013, 12:24 AM
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50 pts in 35 games. leading all D, and 30th overall in scoring he is now 17-33-50
His size, his shot, his skating ability. I really can't wait to see what he can do when he gets to the AHL. Probably my favourite prospect right now.

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02-08-2013, 01:06 AM
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Him, Jarnkrok and Mrazek are my three favorites right now especially after tonight.

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02-08-2013, 01:12 AM
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His size, his shot, his skating ability. I really can't wait to see what he can do when he gets to the AHL. Probably my favourite prospect right now.
I have a very tight top 3 its between him Ouellet and Jarnkrok, but I might have to make room for Mrazek after tonight this wasn't a good AHL team he beat it was a great NHL team. even if they weren't playing their best. Sheahan is also up there Jurco is no longer in the conversation for top 5

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02-08-2013, 06:41 AM
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I just like that Sproul is a right-hand shot, wings are desperate to get those in the line-up

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02-08-2013, 09:27 AM
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I have a very tight top 3 its between him Ouellet and Jarnkrok, but I might have to make room for Mrazek after tonight this wasn't a good AHL team he beat it was a great NHL team. even if they weren't playing their best. Sheahan is also up there Jurco is no longer in the conversation for top 5
I think there is really no difference between our top guys. I take Tartar/Nyquist/Smith out of it because really they are developed.

Jarnkrok, Mazerk, Sheahan, Ouellet, and Sproul are all about equal. We are a very very lucky team.

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I think there is really no difference between our top guys. I take Tartar/Nyquist/Smith out of it because really they are developed.

Jarnkrok, Mazerk, Sheahan, Ouellet, and Sproul are all about equal. We are a very very lucky team.
It's not luck. It's a drafting skill and right choises from management on the long run.

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I just like that Sproul is a right-hand shot, wings are desperate to get those in the line-up
We went like 10 years and any of the right handed guys didn't pan out. Last right-handed prospect (before 2006 drafted Mursak) we have added in this team was Mathieu Dandenault (drafted 1994) !

Now, since Mursak, we have:

W - Jan Mursak - R
D - Max Nicastro - R
F - Landon Ferraro - R
D - Nick Jensen - R
C - Calle Järnkrok - R
W - Teemu Pulkkinen - R
D - Ryan Sproul - R
D - Alexei Marchenko - R
W - Martin Frk - R

We don't know how many of them will push through in the NHL. Maybe half. I strongly believe all of them are not busts.


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02-08-2013, 11:10 AM
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It's not luck. It's a drafting skill and right choises from management on the long run.
Exactly. This why it frustrates me so much when the wing's have a bad game here or there and everyone panics and starts demanding "Holland get off his lazy butt and make some trades." If you want anything of worth back you're gonna have to trade some of these kids. I'd much rather develop our own talent and be competitive long term.

If this season is a "rebuild year," and we are still able to compete (and maybe make the playoffs) while waiting for some of our top prospects to be NHL ready. I'd say Holland, Nill, and company are doing a great job. Of course, at some point you're going to actually make room on the roster for these kids.

You cannot dominate every year in a capped league. But if you draft and develop well you can compete every year, and be a serious contender every so often.

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02-08-2013, 12:07 PM
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Jarnkrok was widely regarded as the best Swede in his draft year but underdeveloped physically, other teams just didn't wanna take on that project with great upside. Even armchair scouts could see from a miles distance that Jarnkrok had more upside than an overager like Wannstrom(who got sent to the ECHL and now is back in Sweden). Can't credit such a pick with luck, it was simply the right decision.

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02-08-2013, 04:07 PM
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I think luck is always a factor in scouting and the draft. Of course each draft aged player has a certain talent level but luck has its role in how good of a player they eventually end up as.

"I would say it comes down to 30 percent hard work, 30 percent good eyes, and 40 percent luck." - Håkan Andersson on scouting

Speaking of Järnkrok... Now that his team is doing quite bad, could you see him coming over to GR to finish the season when Brynäs drop out? Assuming GR have a somewhat long playoff run.

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Sproul's been so ridiculous lately that when i'm looking at stats i'm a little bit disappointed if I see he got less than 3 points

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