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Evgeny Kuznetsov to Edmonton

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02-08-2013, 11:28 AM
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This thread went downhill quick lol

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How??? That is not the same in any sense... we're talking the best drafted teenager in the world for a 21-year-old who is a promising young defender... sheerly by being first overall Yakupov is in a class by himself and his performance so far is as good as any player in the five years before him from that spot... meanwhile Klefbom was a lower first rounder and has shown nothing to suggest he is not a future top pairing D... if you argue that you are arguing any suggestion what Kuznetsov has done suggests he is a future top forward... they are also similar in draft pedigree and age.
You clearly don't understand how good Kuznetsov is.

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02-08-2013, 11:30 AM
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How long does Hall needs to be in the NHL before he the next Crosby or Malkin? Those three kids are good but they aren't Malkin or Crosby. Kuznetsov is ranked 5th by HF ahead of Alex Galyenchuk. You can bet he would be higher if he was coming over. The kid is a stud and yes he is in their class.
You know what HF ranks right... yes, Hockey's Future... not what it is now... Hall has substantially more value as he is playing in the NHL right now and contributing as a top liner should... and will be doing so until Kuznetsov gets to the NHL.

Try offering Kuznetsov for Jeff Skinner or Logan Couture or any other core young forward around the league... you will be LAUGHED at and rightfully so.

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02-08-2013, 11:31 AM
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You clearly don't understand how good Kuznetsov is.
He is so good he has 0 GP, 0 G, 0 A in the NHL.

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02-08-2013, 11:33 AM
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Unfortunately the NHL is not about interesting trades... this seems to be where you differ from reality... it's about value... in no world is Kuznetsov worth five players his age or younger who have proven to be NHLers... he is worth a young unproven player with similar upside or an older star nearing or at rental status... nothing more nothing else... anything else is Caps fans living in dreamworld...
GMGM would hang up. Move along Edmonton you aren't getting Kuznetsov for peanuts. Stop posting ridiculous proposals.

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02-08-2013, 11:34 AM
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He is so good he has 0 GP, 0 G, 0 A in the NHL.
Nobody can argue with the brilliance of that response. Lady's and gentlemen we have a wiener.

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02-08-2013, 11:38 AM
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Nobody can argue with the brilliance of that response. Lady's and gentlemen we have a wiener.
I still can't figure out how you think a player who will maintain that staline for the next two years is worth as much as players who are in the NHL and contributing today at a high level... but then that is Caps Fans Logic (TM).

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02-08-2013, 11:38 AM
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Yep have fun watching Kuznetsov in 2-3 years (maybe) and Oil fans will enjoy watching Hall, RNH, Eberle, Yak and Schultz right now.
Oil fans can watch their stars as the team continues to fail. Yay. And good luck retaining all those players. Its called a cap.

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Are you seriously suggesting a player who will not dress for at least two more years is a core player... maybe I misunderstood you...
Ok so why didn't Edmonton trade their 1st round picks the previous 3 years, since the draft picks couldn't contribute that year, and by trading those picks they could get immediate help?

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GMGM would hang up. Move along Edmonton you aren't getting Kuznetsov for peanuts. Stop posting ridiculous proposals.
And Washington will not get young core forwards from any team in the league for him until they see what he can do in the NHL. I'm not saying Washington should give him up for peanuts because I have watched him in the KHL and WJC and he looks good but again so does Tim Stapleton in the KHL (not comparing just saying). Kuznetsov is a elitle prospect outside of the NHL no doubt about it but that wont get you Elitle young forwards inside the NHL.

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Oil fans can watch their stars as the team continues to fail. Yay. And good luck retaining all those players. Its called a cap.
Another uniformed poster trying to tell us we wont be able to keep all are guys without having a clue what he's talking about.

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Ok so why didn't Edmonton trade their 1st round picks the previous 3 years, since the draft picks couldn't contribute that year, and by trading those picks they could get immediate help?
So a 20 year old player not on your roster for another 2 years is a core player...

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Kuznetsov is roughly in the same area as Hall, Eberle, Yakupov.

We'll trade him for scraps the moment you do so with one of the big 4.

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Kuznetsov is roughly in the same area as Hall, Eberle, Yakupov.

We'll trade him for scraps the moment you do so with one of the big 4.
No he's really not, Yak is closer.

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I still can't figure out how you think a player who will maintain that staline for the next two years is worth as much as players who are in the NHL and contributing today at a high level... but then that is Caps Fans Logic (TM).
Keep in mind, it was an Oiler fan made this thread... again. With the standard clause: RNH, Hall, Schultz, Eberle, Yakapov untouchable. Why do you all keep proposing trades for high end talent and then take your talent off the table. No one wants anything from the Oilers except picks and those 5 players. Complete foolishness. Don't whine about to other people's logic when the standard trade thread creating Oiler fans set he standard of logical failure.

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Kuznetsov is roughly in the same area as Hall, Eberle, Yakupov.
Perhaps, as Jupiter is roughly in the same area as Earth...

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@Oilers fans.

Would you trade Klefbom for Jeff Schultz, Tom Poti, and Eric Fehr?

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Another uniformed poster trying to tell us we wont be able to keep all are guys without having a clue what he's talking about.
Tell me how it is illogical rather than making some vague comeback statement that has an ad hominem centrality. You have 3-4 players set to exit ELC with Hall's foolish contract as being the benchmark. How is my statement illogical? Because you say so?

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Tell me how it is illogical rather than making some vague comeback statement that has an ad hominem centrality. You have 3-4 players set to exit ELC with Hall's foolish contract as being the benchmark. How is my statement illogical? Because you say so?
They will obviously sign contracts lower than market value as Edmonton clearly has the smartest fanbase. Also due to Edmonton being such a great place to play, all star players around the league will ask for a trade to Edmonton, and since all other GMs recognize Edmontons greatness, they will accept the trade request in return for Edmontons peanuts. And the NHL will have to abolish the salary cap since good players only want to play for Edmonton.

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So a 20 year old player not on your roster for another 2 years is a core player...
He's a 20 year old who has very high end talent. He is central to Washington's organization and its future, whether he is playing or not. Yet, you think you can get him for the classical garbage of "Gagner, XXXGARBAGEXXXX, and a 2nd".

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It was not the Caps fan base that were pathetic there generally good, it was just you for that sad little post. You want to trade Kuznetsov for players who have more value then him and then you get all hurt when we point out it's not gonna happen, go read back through the thread apparently the big 5 are the only things that are not trash on the Oilers, if that not dissing then i dont know what is. You can keep Kuznetsov and hope when he shows up in 2 years that he pans out but in this point in time no GM (not just the Oilers) is going to give you anything is the level of our big 5 for a guy who has not played in the NHL and wont for another 2 years at least, maybe that will change and Kuznetsov will turn to to be the next Ovie for you guys but until that happens his value is no where near what you seem to think it is.
We want to keep Kuznetsov. That is the entire freaking point.

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Kuznetsov would be great and all. But if Edmonton is going to make a trade they're better off focusing on their needs (size + grit in the top 6 or top dman) first and foremost.

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I am an Oilers fan but there is no way we get Kuznetsov without giving up one of the big 5 or at least our 1st round pick this or next year (+ something else). He's just too good and I can't wait to see him in the NHL even if it's not for the Oilers.

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He's a 20 year old who has very high end talent. He is central to Washington's organization and its future, whether he is playing or not.
So a player who will, from Draft Day to debut, not be in the lineup for four years, is a core player on the Washington Capitals right now...

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@Oilers fans.

Would you trade Klefbom for Jeff Schultz, Tom Poti, and Eric Fehr?
No, and Kuznetsov wouldn't get you close to getting Klefbom. Klefbom has the potential of being a top pair D, which are rarer then small, light weight, highly skilled forwards. Edmonton needs a top pair D to pair with J.Schultz in the future and is sounds like Klefbom could be the one. Would Kuznetsov make the Oiler team, highly doubtful, due to the fact that he isn't going to replace RNH, and he doesn't have the size the Oilers need for a 2nd line C. It's not about skill or potential, but what the Oilers need, and some Oilers fans forget there is other parts to the game of Hockey then offense.

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