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02-08-2013, 12:47 PM
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Nisky+Harrington+TK for Stewart+3rd. Niskanen fills a need for them right now. Harrington, longterm. TK helps replace what they lose in Stewart in a 3rd/4th line role.
Maybe I'm not as familiar with Stewart, but that kinda seems like a lot to give up.

If people around are to be trusted, Harrington is a future stud D with captain potential. Even went so far as to be called a "sure thing"

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We need more size on the wing in general. Geno needs a more consistent board battler and defensive presence. Sid needs someone who can help create off the rush and finish plays.

Why be content with what we have when we can improve our roster and chances at winning a Cup using pieces we don't need now or longterm.
At the time being are they really going to improve upon Kunitz and Dupuis numbers for Sid.

Kunitz = 6+8=14
Dupuis = 4+4=8

I think we're fine there at the moment.

Now Malkins LW is another story.

Neal = 7+2=9
Tangradi/Jeffrey/Boychuk = 0+0=0

They can certainly allow one of these guys grow into that role, but at some point they have to produce more than monetary good shifts where they do good along the boards or even just show high skill levels. At some point that position will need addressed if it doesn't produce in the next weeks coming up.

Shero may have made his move for the time being with, Lovejoy.

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Vrbata for a 2nd rounder

Kunitz - Crosby - Dupuis
Neal - Malkin - Vrbata

Or swap Kunitz and vrbata.....or Dupuis and vrbata.

Simple move, and we don't have to get rid of a top prospect , or niskanen.

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Maybe I'm not as familiar with Stewart, but that kinda seems like a lot to give up.

If people around are to be trusted, Harrington is a future stud D with captain potential. Even went so far as to be called a "sure thing"
I was going to say overkill, but there's so many strange scenarios put up why bother.

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02-08-2013, 12:51 PM
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I can't believe what Leafs fans are asking for Kulemin on the trade board. He's barely worth a first right now let alone a first and a blue chip prospect.

If that's what the actual market is like Shero better stay away. I'd rather have Boychuk or garbage on that line than vastly overpay for someone like Kulemin. If we're paying a steep price I want someone elite.

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I can't believe what Leafs fans are asking for Kulemin on the trade board. He's barely worth a first right now let alone a first and a blue chip prospect.

If that's what the actual market is like Shero better stay away. I'd rather have Boychuk or garbage on that line than vastly overpay for someone like Kulemin. If we're paying a steep price I want someone elite.
It's because they don't want to trade him unless for an overpayment.

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Nisky+Harrington+TK for Stewart+3rd. Niskanen fills a need for them right now. Harrington, longterm. TK helps replace what they lose in Stewart in a 3rd/4th line role.
Are you serious? Nisky+ TK for Stewart I can understand, but adding Harrington also? Holy overpayment

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Maybe I'm not as familiar with Stewart, but that kinda seems like a lot to give up.

If people around are to be trusted, Harrington is a future stud D with captain potential. Even went so far as to be called a "sure thing"
Letang, Despres, Bortuzzo, Engelland, Dumoulin, Morrow. And that's if all three of Orpik, Nisky and Martin are shipped out. He's not making an impact on this team for quite some time.

If it gets us Sid's longterm winger, Scott Harrington who.

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I can't believe what Leafs fans are asking for Kulemin on the trade board. He's barely worth a first right now let alone a first and a blue chip prospect.

If that's what the actual market is like Shero better stay away. I'd rather have Boychuk or garbage on that line than vastly overpay for someone like Kulemin. If we're paying a steep price I want someone elite.
It's normal, they're fans and they want an over payment from another team, we would do the same

They're not getting a 1st and Maatta, they could keep dreaming

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At the time being are they really going to improve upon Kunitz and Dupuis numbers for Sid.

Kunitz = 6+8=14
Dupuis = 4+4=8

I think we're fine there at the moment.

Now Malkins LW is another story.

Neal = 7+2=9
Tangradi/Jeffrey/Boychuk = 0+0=0

They can certainly allow one of these guys grow into that role, but at some point they have to produce more than monetary good shifts where they do good along the boards or even just show high skill levels. At some point that position will need addressed if it doesn't produce in the next weeks coming up.

Shero may have made his move for the time being with, Lovejoy.
Kunitz and Dupuis really took it to the lightning when Sid/Geno were out. Again, regular season does not equal playoffs.

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Are you serious? Nisky+ TK for Stewart I can understand, but adding Harrington also? Holy overpayment
TK is worth a 2nd or 3rd. Which is why the Blues add a third. They could use another forward if Schwartz isn't on the roster and Stewart is traded.

Is Stewart worth Niskanen+Harrington? IMO, yes.

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It's normal, they're fans and they want an over payment from another team, we would do the same

They're not getting a 1st and Maatta, they could keep dreaming
There's a deal to be made. If they want a 1st and a D prospect then they add a 2nd or a 3rd+.

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It's because they don't want to trade him unless for an overpayment.
Oh I understand that, but they are asking for massive overpayment. They are effectively asking for two first round picks. That's Phil Kessel territory.

Even Maatta + a 2nd or a first + a 2nd is overpayment. 2 firsts? Insanity.

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TK is worth a 2nd or 3rd. Which is why the Blues add a third. They could use another forward if Schwartz isn't on the roster and Stewart is traded.

Is Stewart worth Niskanen+Harrington? IMO, yes.
What has Stewart done to be worth that? nothing.

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There's a deal to be made. If they want a 1st and a D prospect then they add a 2nd or a 3rd+.
The Leafs 2nd is close to our 1st, why would they add that.

Anyways I agree there is a deal to be made here, but not at that asking price. Personally I think Shero would pass

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Kunitz and Dupuis really took it to the lightning when Sid/Geno were out. Again, regular season does not equal playoffs.
Who was their centers again?

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What has Stewart done to be worth that? nothing.
Put up talbot (the regular season version) numbers

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What has Stewart done to be worth that? nothing.
I'm telling you the price some people would be willing to pay for some of these players let's just be happy they're not the GM of this team!

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What has Stewart done to be worth that? nothing.
He's worth more than Seto. He's had one down season after two consecutive 28 goal seasons. RFA with the size and soft hands GMs covet on the wing.

Nisky+TK would be great, but I doubt it gets it done.

I'd much rather do that deal than move our 1st+one of Bennett/Despres/Pouliot for a rental like Iggy. We don't need an elite player. Two solid longterm complementary pieces is what I'd be looking for if I'm Shero.

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Who was their centers again?
Staal and Talbot. What happens when Sid/Geno are completely taken out of the play by proper shutdown units. Kunitz and Dupuis had a combined two goals in that Tampa series.

Staal is gone, we didn't replace his offense at ES. One move is absolutely necessary. Two, ideal.

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The Leafs 2nd is close to our 1st, why would they add that.

Anyways I agree there is a deal to be made here, but not at that asking price. Personally I think Shero would pass
Maatta+2nd+lesser asset? **** yes there's a deal to be made. There aren't many players like him in this league.

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TK is worth a 2nd or 3rd. Which is why the Blues add a third. They could use another forward if Schwartz isn't on the roster and Stewart is traded.

Is Stewart worth Niskanen+Harrington? IMO, yes.
If I understand you correctly you're saying that Stewart are worth Niskanen+ Harrington and TK equals the 3rd rounder you're proposing? I don't think he is worth that much. Niskanen+ TK should be good imo

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the quibbling over draft picks is truly astounding.

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Seto-Crosby-Stewart
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Oh yeah, my lines are da bestest!

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Staal and Talbot. What happens when Sid/Geno are completely taken out of the play by proper shutdown units. Kunitz and Dupuis had a combined two goals in that Tampa series.

Staal is gone, we didn't replace his offense at ES. One move is absolutely necessary. Two, ideal.
I believe they were taken out of play all together.

Tampa series saw neither Sid or Geno, and how does this matter now that they're back?

The Tampa series can't be compared to anything they're going through now. Nothing.

Both Sid and Geno scored last playoffs against the Flyers, and it was their defensive body of work all together that cost them their most recent 1st round exit. They've been knocked out of the 1st round both with and without their centers and with good enough wingers.

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