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[FLA/LA] Keaton Ellerby to LA for a 5th round pick

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02-08-2013, 12:54 PM
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10th overall.
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You get a 5th! and you get a 5th! and you get a 5th!



Seriously though, good trade for LA.

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Apparently most of you haven't watched him play, and the Kings are in trouble if he's thought to he a 2nd pairing guy

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Apparently most of you haven't watched him play, and the Kings are in trouble if he's thought to he a 2nd pairing guy
Even if he is a #6/7 D-man, its still a good deal for LA.

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bizarre. I thought he looked quite good just last season. To move a D of his age and attributes for a 5th rounder is poor value, there's no way around it. Tallon makes some good signings, trades, draft picks, but his time with CHI and FLA shows his overall asset management skills aren't the greatest. It would be better to hold on to the kid in a depth role and use a roster spot on him than move him for a 5th. Of course, when you sign Ds like Jovo and Kuba to poor contracts, it's going to bite you in the ass somewhere else on your roster.

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Apparently most of you haven't watched him play, and the Kings are in trouble if he's thought to he a 2nd pairing guy
No one said he was,

But say Ellerby elevates his play, the Kings can use him there with a very mobile Slava Voynov.

Ellerby would not be asked to move the puck much, he would be asked to use his size and reach.

Slava would do all puck moving on that line. That would really help out Drew/Scuds (playing way too many minutes).

The Kings are not getting what they want out of Muzzin or anyone else from Manchester.

If Ellerby sucks he can waived ,it's also a one year contract.

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02-08-2013, 01:11 PM
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bizarre. I thought he looked quite good just last season. To move a D of his age and attributes for a 5th rounder is poor value, there's no way around it. Tallon makes some good signings, trades, draft picks, but his time with CHI and FLA shows his overall asset management skills aren't the greatest.
What's so good about him?

Underwhelming #'s in the AHL, a puck-moving defenseman with 17 career points in 125 games in the NHL (-21).

What was Tallon supposed to acquire for such a bust?

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Wow... I expected that we would at least get a 3rd round pick for him. Oh well, guess there was no market. Rather trade Kuba..

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Great trade. Very little risk for a potentially good reward.

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If Keaton Ellerby was going for 5th rounders... and late 5th rounders if LA gets back into form, I am kinda saddened Gillis didn't make this move.

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Kings basically need a pylon back there who can just block shots and make one solid outlet pass.

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Sorry to burst your bubble but Ellerby is horrible on those both. He'll be a pylon tho loves to get beaten 1 on 1. Can't clear the puck out of the zone if his life depended on it

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Really? Doesn't that 5th rounder pretty much tell you how the teams evaluate this talent? It's pretty much identical to the Loktionov deal earlier. 5 years after being drafted in the top 10 and still not a regular in the NHL, yeah, that's a "known bust" at this point.
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Sorry to burst your bubble but Ellerby is horrible on those both. He'll be a pylon tho loves to get beaten 1 on 1. Can't clear the puck out of the zone if his life depended on it
Well I guess DL is a terrible GM who just gave away a 5th

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Sorry to burst your bubble but Ellerby is horrible on those both. He'll be a pylon tho loves to get beaten 1 on 1. Can't clear the puck out of the zone if his life depended on it
Maybe, but I think the kind of system the Kings run, especially with the defensive requirements they place on the forwards, can sometimes elevate a defenesmen's game and help overcome shortcomings

Anyway, the thing has kind of come full circle, Ellerby was rated higher than Hickey at the draft, so Kings probably should have taken him over Hickey to begin with..

All is right with the world.

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What's so good about him?

Underwhelming #'s in the AHL, a puck-moving defenseman with 17 career points in 125 games in the NHL (-21).

What was Tallon supposed to acquire for such a bust?
Um, what?!!?? He was/is never suppose to be a puck-moving d-man, EVER. Always was billed as a defensive d-man who could skate and shutdown opposing top 6 forwards and what FL was grooming him to be. Puck moving d-man suggests he had offensive potential and he never had that. I dont know where you ever got the idea that he was a puck moving d-man?

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Um, what?!!?? He was/is never suppose to be a puck-moving d-man, EVER. Always was billed as a defensive d-man who could skate and shutdown opposing top 6 forwards and what FL was grooming him to be. Puck moving d-man suggests he had offensive potential and he never had that. I dont know where you ever got the idea that he was a puck moving d-man?
Many Panthers fans who liked him praised him for his ability to move the puck and his skating ability.

Even if you label him as a defensive d-man, he's not that either. He takes a lot of dumb penalties. He has some nice noticeable tools, but his hockey IQ is lacking, imo.

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Kings win this trade. Ellerby is a solid NHL defenseman at this point with the potential to be a top 4. He's an excellent skater, good passer, physical, and decent defensively. The more playing time he gets, the more he will improve. That was evident this season. He just needs someone to give him a real shot. If that happens, that team will be happy. Don't listen to the haters.

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Um, what?!!?? He was/is never suppose to be a puck-moving d-man, EVER. Always was billed as a defensive d-man who could skate and shutdown opposing top 6 forwards and what FL was grooming him to be. Puck moving d-man suggests he had offensive potential and he never had that. I dont know where you ever got the idea that he was a puck moving d-man?
Actually he was supposed to be a puck-moving d-man, Cooly. That's what he was in junior, and that's part of what was talked about him prior to the 2007 draft. He is actually good at rushing the puck and passing, in his limited opportunities to do so. He just needs more experience.

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Kings win this trade. Ellerby is a solid NHL defenseman at this point with the potential to be a top 4. He's an excellent skater, good passer, physical, and decent defensively. The more playing time he gets, the more he will improve. That was evident this season. He just needs someone to give him a real shot. If that happens, that team will be happy. Don't listen to the haters.
As a Kings fans I am hoping your right.

Clearly this team is lacking in the defensive end right now, with no sign of Mitchell returning soon and Greene out for basically the season.

He definitely is going to get his shot, if he does elevate his game, the Kings defense next year (barring injury) could be really sic..

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bizarre. I thought he looked quite good just last season. To move a D of his age and attributes for a 5th rounder is poor value, there's no way around it. Tallon makes some good signings, trades, draft picks, but his time with CHI and FLA shows his overall asset management skills aren't the greatest. It would be better to hold on to the kid in a depth role and use a roster spot on him than move him for a 5th. Of course, when you sign Ds like Jovo and Kuba to poor contracts, it's going to bite you in the ass somewhere else on your roster.
The Kuba signing is what did it. I'd rather trade Kuba any day of the week and I'm sure Tallon would too but that's not gonna happen. We have 8 defensemen, and Strachan won't be sent down to the AHL. We have a lot of forwards and had to make room on the roster. Ellerby is still kinda young and is seen as a player who could still improve a lot.

Tallon made a bad signing in Kuba, it happens, not every GM's signings all work out.

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As a Kings fans I am hoping your right.

Clearly this team is lacking in the defensive end right now, with no sign of Mitchell returning soon and Greene out for basically the season.

He definitely is going to get his shot, if he does elevate his game, the Kings defense next year (barring injury) could be really sic..
Well in that case I think you are going to be very pleased with him this season.

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Kings win this trade. Ellerby is a solid NHL defenseman at this point with the potential to be a top 4. He's an excellent skater, good passer, physical, and decent defensively. The more playing time he gets, the more he will improve. That was evident this season. He just needs someone to give him a real shot. If that happens, that team will be happy. Don't listen to the haters.
I don't think it's hating to say he's not all that great.

This season has been the best he's looked and that best wasn't all that great. He was recently scratched for playing a poor game at Winnipeg. It's not as if he's been flawless himself. The guy just hasn't shown much to suggest he's going to have a really good career in the NHL. Maybe the change of scenery helps him.

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Apparently most of you haven't watched him play, and the Kings are in trouble if he's thought to he a 2nd pairing guy
Hes not. He will be the #6, expected to play around 12 minutes a game, mainly soft minutes, with some pk time

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Actually he was supposed to be a puck-moving d-man, Cooly. That's what he was in junior, and that's part of what was talked about him prior to the 2007 draft. He is actually good at rushing the puck and passing, in his limited opportunities to do so. He just needs more experience.
Yeah, that's honestly what I thought too.
I remember a lot of people used to compare him to Bouwmeester who has was projected as a PMD, as well.

Part of the reason Ellerby was drafted top-10 was for his skating ability/ability to move the puck.

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Apparently most of you haven't watched him play, and the Kings are in trouble if he's thought to he a 2nd pairing guy
With no Mitchell or Greene for until who knows when, the Kings are at least looking down the road to trouble, if not starting down the path.

Doubt you can do better in a trade than Ellerby at this point of the season, and the Kings need defense, so, see if it works.

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I don't think it's hating to say he's not all that great.

This season has been the best he's looked and that best wasn't all that great. He was recently scratched for playing a poor game at Winnipeg. It's not as if he's been flawless himself. The guy just hasn't shown much to suggest he's going to have a really good career in the NHL. Maybe the change of scenery helps him.
Yeah but there's a difference between saying he's not all that great, and he's horrible and should be our 8th d-man, like some Panthers fans will tell you. I'll never understand how he gets so badly crucified sometimes. People make a mountain out of a molehill with every play he makes.

I disagree that he had a bad game in Winnipeg. I know you will counter with well why was he scratched. But he didn't do anything wrong on the 1st goal. He tried to deflect a shot away from his goalie, like d-men do many times a game. Some take weird bounces and go in. It happens. What else did he do that was so bad in that game? Maybe Dineen was just rotating d-men like he has done regularly over the past couple seasons because we always had a lot of d-men?

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