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02-08-2013, 03:51 PM
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I don't, that cap hit is scary
Yup, that's just too much for one player right now.

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Short answer: No.
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I would do Schneider + 1st/Jensen/Gaunce for Kessel.

Based on last year he'd be the #1 offensive guy on our team, not #3.

Try to sign him long term on a cheap deal after the season because his stats will be slightly down due to his early slump.

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But # would he wear?

Clearly Tanev won't be giving up his #8 anytime soon.

Whats 8 backwards?

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It's so sad...he used to be one of my favorite players, up until about his last season in Ottawa.

Agreed with the poster who would rather give Jensen a chance. Methinks AV will be all over that, too - never seen him as excited over a prospect as he has been about Jensen.
Why do you say that?

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But # would he wear?

Clearly Tanev won't be giving up his #8 anytime soon.

Whats 8 backwards?
maybe 88?

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If you're Mike Gillis do you make a move for Ovechkin?
And how can we fit him into our team?
If Ovie is available, hell yes! Then I tell AV to let him do his thing.

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Posted this in the main Luongo thread, wondering what other Canucks fans think.

To Van
- Weiss
- Goc
- Petrovic
- Clemmensen

To Florida

- Luongo
- Connauton
- 2nd or 3rd rounder
- conditional 1st (if Canucks make SCF)

Goc fills a hole at 3rd line centre. Weiss is another versatile forward and depth for the playoffs.
We don't have a hole on the 3rd line. Goc is redundant.

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02-08-2013, 04:48 PM
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What

The guy is an offensive dynamo anyhow. I don't see anyone cutting down on the Sedins being soft. Hell, Martin St. Louis is soft. Go tell that to his Stanley Cup ring.

Soft/tough could careless. There are players I expect to be intimidating or at least gritty on this team, Kessel wouldn't be one of them and quite frankly I couldn't care less. Also, in terms of pure hockey skill, and I'll get thrown to the wolves on this, Kessel is better than the Sedins. He's a player we could use and for the right price, you'd be an idiot to turn him down.

consider yourself thrown to the wolves

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Posted this in the main Luongo thread, wondering what other Canucks fans think.

To Van
- Weiss
- Goc
- Petrovic
- Clemmensen

To Florida

- Luongo
- Connauton
- 2nd or 3rd rounder
- conditional 1st (if Canucks make SCF)

Goc fills a hole at 3rd line centre. Weiss is another versatile forward and depth for the playoffs.
I don't know about the people saying no to this deal, I would take it and run but there's no way florida does this. Only reason they take Loungo is to compete now, they can't do that without Weiss and Goc.

If it did happen somehow, the reason the canucks IMO should accept is this would make us the deepest team in the league bar none.

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Higgins-Kesler-Kassian
Booth-Weiss-Hansen
Raymond-Goc-Lapierre
Schroeder-Malhotra-Weise

Hamhuis-Edler
Garrison-Bieksa
Ballard-Tanev
Barker-Petrovic

Even without the Sedins I would say that is a team near the top of the league with its two way play. Plus it sets up the defence perfectly to drop Ballard next year and have all the defencemen playing their natural sides. Too bad it'll never happen.

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02-08-2013, 05:09 PM
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We don't have a hole on the 3rd line. Goc is redundant.
Goc is an upgrade over Lapierre, who's a 4th line centre. Malhotra is a utility player at this point. Schroeder has looked good but do we want to go into the playoffs with a small, rookie 3rd line centre?

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02-08-2013, 05:13 PM
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Goc is an upgrade over Lapierre, who's a 4th line centre. Malhotra is a utility player at this point. Schroeder has looked good but do we want to go into the playoffs with a small, rookie 3rd line centre?
Too early to tell but the early signs are yes. He's been very reliable and is showing signs that he's ready to be an impact player in the role we have for him.

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02-08-2013, 05:13 PM
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I don't know about the people saying no to this deal, I would take it and run but there's no way florida does this. Only reason they take Loungo is to compete now, they can't do that without Weiss and Goc.

If it did happen somehow, the reason the canucks IMO should accept is this would make us the deepest team in the league bar none.

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Higgins-Kesler-Kassian
Booth-Weiss-Hansen
Raymond-Goc-Lapierre
Schroeder-Malhotra-Weise

Hamhuis-Edler
Garrison-Bieksa
Ballard-Tanev
Barker-Petrovic

Even without the Sedins I would say that is a team near the top of the league with its two way play. Plus it sets up the defence perfectly to drop Ballard next year and have all the defencemen playing their natural sides. Too bad it'll never happen.
i'd be willing to go all in for this year. we also get a half mill in cap room to add a PP specialist on D at the deadline-- my dream is to pick up viz without giving up anything off the roster and play him as a 7th D, double shifting wingers for the fourth line, which is doable under the cap with the cap buffer from this trade if we demote malhotra at the deadline and bring him up for the playoffs ($900k in cap savings) or waive barker.


sedin sedin kassian/burrows
burrows kesler hansen/weiss/kassian
booth weiss/schroeder raymond/hansen
manny/wiese/volpatti/viz goc lapierre

hamhuis bieksa
garrison edler
ballard tanev
viz

schneids
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02-08-2013, 05:25 PM
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Why do you say that?
AV was very complimentary of Jensen, his play, his style, and his future when he was at training camp (Fall of 2011). I'd just never seen AV speak that glowingly of a prospect before, as he's usually fairly reserved in giving praise, at least publicly.

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02-08-2013, 05:31 PM
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AV was very complimentary of Jensen, his play, his style, and his future when he was at training camp (Fall of 2011). I'd just never seen AV speak that glowingly of a prospect before, as he's usually fairly reserved in giving praise, at least publicly.
Very cool, thanks. That obviously bodes well for the team as AV had the same kind of things to say about Schroeder and early signs are he was absolutely right.

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02-08-2013, 05:54 PM
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Goc is an upgrade over Lapierre, who's a 4th line centre. Malhotra is a utility player at this point. Schroeder has looked good but do we want to go into the playoffs with a small, rookie 3rd line centre?
Yes, we do.

He's looked good so far, and if by the deadline he has regressed then we simply spend a couple draft picks to pick up an upgrade, rather than trading Roberto Luongo.

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02-08-2013, 10:18 PM
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Not that I'd mind going into the playoffs with Schroeder, I'd still prefer Goc all things being equal. He's currently the better player, so ya, I'd still like him. Schroeder needs to pick up the offense by the deadline or I suspect we make a move for a 3C.

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Yes, we do.

He's looked good so far, and if by the deadline he has regressed then we simply spend a couple draft picks to pick up an upgrade, rather than trading Roberto Luongo.
You don't trade a couple draft picks for a guy like Goc at the deadline, as an established defensive 3rd line center he could easily get a 1st plus at the deadline.

Also why is everyone arguing over Goc? He isn't the best player in the deal, that would be Weiss. He is like a Kesler lite, a step up from Higgins, Hansen and Raymond but can play center. An while Goc doesn't serve a need in the organization, Petrovic does, with Petrovic in the fold the canucks finally have 3 rightside defencemen. Goc is just a complimentary piece(a fairly good one) and could easily demand good value if he isn't playing a prominent role for the canucks by the deadline.

Connauton is useless and unless he grows a brain(not happening at this age) he will never be more than a number 6 powerplay defencemen, and it will never be on the canucks. The 1st round pick is only in the deal if they make the SCF so the pick is a 2nd rounder. This deal would be a steal.

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I'd love to have Kessel for Lu, but I'd still want an asset with a little more shelf life on it coming back in the trade. Good prospect, pick, etc.

A rental player is only a good return if it results in a Stanley Cup, and I don't think Mikey cares to risk such an important asset on that kind of gambling.


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Goc really isn't a big upgrade on Lappy honestly, and if JS continues this play I'm fine going into the playoffs.

That deal is bad because we give up important and valuable picks in a deep draft year where we actually have a chance to nab a really good prospect.

I say no to the deal.

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Is Kessel really going to put the canucks over the top? Kessel is not a complete player...sure he may score 30 goals but he's not going to be helping much in any other area.

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Personally wouldnt take Ovechkin. I just feel it's kind of fishy that the doctor gets caught selling steroids to atheletes, names the Capitals specifically as one of his many clients and also leads to the decline of Ovie.

There is no proof at all about this btw and nor are there rumors and there in fact people who have written articles to refute this. It's my own opinion.

Nothing else to me atleast, explains his massive and rapid decline. Did Team Canada break him?

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Is Kessel really going to put the canucks over the top? Kessel is not a complete player...sure he may score 30 goals but he's not going to be helping much in any other area.
Honestly, he is quite similar to Daniel. He is ridiculously underrated on HF right now, albeit Toronto sucking and that horrid trade have never helped. We wouldn't use him in other areas - unleashing him like we do the Sedins.

I want no part of Ovie, much as I am shocked to be even making that statement. While he certainly has the potential to bounce back under a better coaching system. The risk of him not simply outweigh any benefit. We cannot afford what is gradually becoming the league's biggest albatross contract with no assurance he will produce to warrant it.

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Can we just forget about Kessel and Ovechkin? Niether player will be avaliable for a price that makes sense for us.

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Can we just forget about Kessel and Ovechkin? Niether player will be avaliable for a price that makes sense for us.

This. Many times over.

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