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02-08-2013, 02:40 PM
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v26: Chuckers Gonna Chuck II: Chuck Harder

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carry on.
Nice Nem... I like the streamlined thinking...

Merge the Jays & Raps threads into 1. More convenient for posters like you and me who participate in both

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LOL someone is looking forward tot he jays season

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What do you guys think about Lowry so far? I am not sold on him personally. Is he the kind of guy I would want to commit to long term to be the starter for this team (especially at the $$$ he'll be seeking)? No.

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Nem's like raptors? What raptors, it's all about the jays. Oh **** THEY SAW! Change it back ! CHANGE IT BACK!

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Nem's like raptors? What raptors, it's all about the jays. Oh **** THEY SAW! Change it back ! CHANGE IT BACK!
Hey, you sold me out. What happened, man. I thought we were cool.

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Anyways, I think Boozer is still a big upgrade over Andrea. Hopefully BC can convince the Bulls to take that god awful contract off our hands.

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Not only that but Boozer is a shorter term then Andrea isn't he?
Yes Boozer has only 2 years left. Bargnani has 3 years left. It really is a good deal all around. We get a PF who can bang and is a crafty scorer in the post and can score in a myriad of ways down low. He shoots over 80% from the FT line and will grab you 10 boards a game if playing 33+ minutes. Plus he can shoot over 50% from the field. Bargnani brings only the FT shooting nothing else, plus he doesn't have the intangibles which you need to succeed in the PO's, like to bang with the other bigs in the league (Manimal, KG, Bynum, Duncan, Randolph, Dwight, just to name a few).

Bargnani is younger, on a cheaper cap hit and can shoot 3's but at a terrible efficiency rating. That's really all he has on Boozer. Oh and I guess he's a better man defender and shot blocker. But that's not saying much.

Found this post interesting too for you guys to draw your own conclusions from:
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Boozer -

2012:
- PER: 18.15
- 15 PPG
- 8.5 RPG
- 29.5 MPG
- USG 23.76
- TS% 54.9
- AST% - 72.3
- FGA - 12.8
- FG% - 53.2
- DRtg - 95 (points allowed per 100 possession)
- DWS - 4.3 (estimated number of wins contributed from a players defense)


Bargnani (31 games)

2012
- PER 18.04
- 19.5 PPG
- 5.5 RPG
- 33.2 MPG
- 28.78 USG
- 53.8 TS%
- 69.4 AST%
- FGA - 15.6
- FG% - 43.2%
- DRtg - 106
- DWS - 0.9

i want you all to look at those numbers for a second. Examine them closely. Note also that Bargnani has NEVER shot 50% from the field in any one of his seasons. Boozer? Hes done it 6 times. Last 3 seasons prior to this one hes shot above 50%. Something else to note. Boozer assisted on more baskets than Bargnani. Boozer almost always has a PER above 17. Bargnani, done it once in a season where he played 31 games. Bargnani took more shots due to the offense running through him more (USG).

Boozer last year received an all NBA defensive team vote. Has Bargnani ever? No. Even looking at defensive stats Boozer has been better. Could that be a result of playing with a good Chicago team? Sure. Bargnani has had a DWS above 1, 2 times. Hes had it above 2, 1 time. Every year Boozer has been in the league its been above 1. Hes been above 3, 3 times. Hes been above 4, 3 times. Hes simply a better defender than Bargnani. That goes back to his Utah days as well.

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Anyways, I think Boozer is still a big upgrade over Andrea. Hopefully BC can convince the Bulls to take that god awful contract off our hands.
Boozer is better but it really is the other way around. It's the Bulls trying to convince the Raptors.

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Hope the Raptors pull the trigger on this one. Boozer would be a huge upgrade over Bargs. Health is a bit of a concern, but he would give us more in 60 games than Bargnani would in 150 games.

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What about Amare Stoudemire? If we are interested in Boozer's 15 million dollar contract, would we step it up a little to get Amare instead? I would rather have Amare than Boozer.

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What about Amare Stoudemire? If we are interested in Boozer's 15 million dollar contract, would we step it up a little to get Amare instead? I would rather have Amare than Boozer.
God no. Amare is a shell of his former self. And his knees could self-destruct at any moment. He's nowhere near the same player he was in Phoenix.

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Boozer is better but it really is the other way around. It's the Bulls trying to convince the Raptors.
It's not hard for a team to look at the two players and realize how much better Boozer is then Andrea. Andrea is terrible and that contract he has is even worse.

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What about Amare Stoudemire? If we are interested in Boozer's 15 million dollar contract, would we step it up a little to get Amare instead? I would rather have Amare than Boozer.
No, Amare is worse and is on a max contract.

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Boozer is much better than Bricknani.

Maybe we can toss Dirty Laundry Fields into the deal

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ESPN Kurt Rambis doesn't like the deal for The Bulls... Watch the video

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/89...ap-sources-say

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Kurt Rambis doesn't believe trading Carlos Boozer for Andrea Bargnani would be a good decision for the Bulls.

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Mike Wilbon picked Ross to win the Dunk Contest.

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Mike Wilbon picked Ross to win the Dunk Contest.
Uh oh now he'll lose.

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God no. Amare is a shell of his former self. And his knees could self-destruct at any moment. He's nowhere near the same player he was in Phoenix.
I know he is not the explosive highlight real he was in Phoenix. But I honestly don't think he is done. His injury past does worry me, but Boozer has a hard time staying healthy as well. With the line-up we have, we are looking to be the most athletic team in the league. Amare would add that Athletic frontcourt scorer. Paired with Amir or Jonas, I could see good things if healthy.

Amar'e Stoudemire has been on a roll lately. 11 straight games in double figures, shooting 64.7 percent during that span. Two perfect games from the field (7-for-7 and 10-for-10). And a 14.2-point average for the season in only 23 minutes per game.

I know he is not worth his contract, but you can't say he is done. He may get injured again, but then again, anyone could.

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I think instead of boozer we should add and try to get someone younger that can be our pwf for the future. I am very high on Atlanta's Josh Smith. What would we have to add to get Smith?

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I think instead of boozer we should add and try to get someone younger that can be our pwf for the future. I am very high on Atlanta's Josh Smith. What would we have to add to get Smith?
It would have to be a lot. The only reason the Raptors can get Boozer is because he has a bad contract. If the Raptors want to get a PF, it would have to be one on a bad contract.

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...for-josh-smith

We need this guy! Hes really good trust me, iv watched a lot of atlanta games

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...for-josh-smith

We need this guy! Hes really good trust me, iv watched a lot of atlanta games
He's good defensively, and a good dunker. That's it. Wouldn't mind him but I doubt they'd take Andrea, and he's gone at the end of the year unless we offer him a max deal. Not happening.

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