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[BOS/NYI] Tim Thomas traded to Islanders for conditional 2nd in '14 or '15

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02-08-2013, 11:30 AM
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02-08-2013, 11:34 AM
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Isles cap was $49m before this trade.

Opposing team fans are speculating/hoping Streit and Vis are moved. Which would make TT contract, the only thing keeping the NYI above the $44m cap floor.

However, nothing Wang, Snow or Cappy has said indicates Streit or Vis will be moved, while the isles are in the race.

This move was made with an eye towards what if scenerios:what if the team's out of it at the trade deadline and Snow's getting offers for both impending ufas?
Assuming this cap floor logic on further moves is true, you dont make the move 10 games into the season if you're really going to try and make a push for the playoffs. Unless of course, there's no way Visnovsky ever players in NY and they already know they're moving him immediately after he passes physicals, etc.

Anyway you look at it, it's a puzzling move.

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02-08-2013, 11:42 AM
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Assuming this cap floor logic on further moves is true, you dont make the move 10 games into the season if you're really going to try and make a push for the playoffs. Unless of course, there's no way Visnovsky ever players in NY and they already know they're moving him immediately after he passes physicals, etc.

Anyway you look at it, it's a puzzling move.
I'm sorry but I don't see the big puzzling move.

1. Snow's owner, coaches and players are talking about making a playoff push. No way, does Snow dump top vets from his already low payroll, only 10 games in.

2.Vis is on the ice, at today's practice. He reportedly is gonna play Sat. in the NYI/Sabres game.

3.Snow has two impending ufas, who are likely to draw a lot of interest because of the shortage, of solid top 4 d-men: Vis and Streit.

If Snow's team's out of the race at the trade deadline, shouldn't he look to trade both? Isn't that what Snow is saying, when he tells the press he made the TT trade for cap flexibility if he needs it?

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I'm sorry but I don't see the big puzzling move.

1. Snow's owner, coaches and players are talking about making a playoff push. No way, does Snow dump top vets from his already low payroll, only 10 games in.

2.Vis is on the ice, at today's practice. He reportedly is gonna play Sat. in the NYI/Sabres game.

3.Snow has two impending ufas, who are likely to draw a lot of interest because of the shortage, of solid top 4 d-men: Vis and Streit.

If Snow's team's out of the race at the trade deadline, shouldn't he look to trade both? Isn't that what Snow is saying, when he tells the press he made the TT trade for cap flexibility if he needs it?
The Isles situation is different than most teams in the league. I will give you that.

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honestly giving away a 2nd for someone who wont even play for them... WOW, that was brilliant!

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honestly giving away a 2nd for someone who wont even play for them... WOW, that was brilliant!
yeahhh wow.....You people are really funny....The only way That second gets to BOS is if TT plays for the Isles...If he does not play, the 2nd stays



This was a move to give both BOS and NYI Options at the deadline....One being sellers and the other being buyers....

Smart move by both GM's imo

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Smart move by the Bruins. Rids them of the Thomas contract and gives them the ability to acquire a star forward at the deadline.

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Eklund being the one to break this is even more shocking than NYI acquiring a goalie that isn't going to play this year.
Not when you realize it was a cap move. Isles add cap dollars while adding zero real dollars. In the process they move a solid pick. Now they can keep the team qualified for income redistribution. Sounds just like Wanger hockey to me.


B's make out winners twice on this one.

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Not when you realize it was a cap move. Isles add cap dollars while adding zero real dollars. In the process they move a solid pick. Now they can keep the team qualified for income redistribution. Sounds just like Wanger hockey to me.


B's make out winners twice on this one.
Bruins aren't getting a pick unless you think Thomas will actually report and play.

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honestly giving away a 2nd for someone who wont even play for them... WOW, that was brilliant!
It's conditional and will probably never happen.

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Boston rids itself of a big cap hit. It will get nothing in return except the cap room--Thomas will not play for Bruins and most likely not the Isles--so a win for Boston

New York takes on cap space but pays out no real cash. They will not get Thomas in the lineup (their assumption and a good one) so will not ever lose the pick. They can now at trade deadline or sooner send vets to other teams for picks and prospects that will help build the future for them while staying above the floor--without spending money! A big win for the Isles.

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yeahhh wow.....You people are really funny....The only way That second gets to BOS is if TT plays for the Isles...If he does not play, the 2nd stays



This was a move to give both BOS and NYI Options at the deadline....One being sellers and the other being buyers....

Smart move by both GM's imo
Does anyone know the rules in the cba regarding tolling contracts, and if you do, how they effect the salary cap?

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Boston rids itself of a big cap hit. It will get nothing in return except the cap room--Thomas will not play for Bruins and most likely not the Isles--so a win for Boston

New York takes on cap space but pays out no real cash. They will not get Thomas in the lineup (their assumption and a good one) so will not ever lose the pick. They can now at trade deadline or sooner send vets to other teams for picks and prospects that will help build the future for them while staying above the floor--without spending money! A big win for the Isles.

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Correctamundo.

Today's paper had Chiarelli stating this allows him to be a player before the deadline if a team decides to throw in the towel.

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Probably trading Visnovsky soon
Maybe to Boston?

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If I'm Thomas, I'd dress for that one game just to dick the Bruins for this.
My thaughts exactly

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My thaughts exactly
And as was pointed out, dressing for one game helps the Bruins, it doesn't hurt them.

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Maybe to Boston?

If the isles goal was to trade Vis, he'd have been moved to Boston for TT+ a few cheap, warm bodies.

*sigh* as surprising as it seems to some, the isles even with their cheap payroll, want to make the playoffs. Make a run for the playoffs to give their youngsters experience and their fans a reason to think they are moving in the right direction.

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And as was pointed out, dressing for one game helps the Bruins, it doesn't hurt them.
How can people miss that point?



And according to Staples, it's not just a case of TT showing up, he has to actually play 1 game at least.

If you are the NYI and TT shows up the late in the season with the playoffs out of reach,are you really pissing away a 2nd to give him a meaningless start, that will cost you a 2nd?

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If I'm Thomas, I'd dress for that one game just to dick the Bruins for this.
Yeah, screw you Bruins! Here, have a free 2nd rounder!

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How can people miss that point?



And according to Staples, it's not just a case of TT showing up, he has to actually play 1 game at least.

If you are the NYI and TT shows up the late in the season with the playoffs out of reach,are you really pissing away a 2nd to give him a meaningless start, that will cost you a 2nd?
I threw in the towel pages ago. Some here either can not read or can't comprehend just how simple this deal really is and what it entails.

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Does anyone know the rules in the cba regarding tolling contracts, and if you do, how they effect the salary cap?
In one of the first tweets after the trade was announced, Staples said the isles would not toll TT contract.

Now today, Daly says the league won't let the contract roll over into next season.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/tolling...0908--nhl.html
I asked deputy commissioner Bill Daly whether the Islanders could carry Thomas’s cap hit into subsequent seasons.

“It’s a fair question,” Daly told thn.com via email. “I don’t believe we would carry the cap charge past this year.”

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Yeah, screw you Bruins! Here, have a free 2nd rounder!
Yeah, screwing over the Bruins would be to play (Bruins get a 2nd rounder) and win the Vezina again.

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Yeah, screwing over the Bruins would be to play (Bruins get a 2nd rounder) and win the Vezina again.
Lol. Fat chance. Get it FAT chance. Cause Tim thomas is fat and old right now and been out of hockey for a year

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In one of the first tweets after the trade was announced, Staples said the isles would not toll TT contract.

Now today, Daly says the league won't let the contract roll over into next season.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/tolling...0908--nhl.html
I asked deputy commissioner Bill Daly whether the Islanders could carry Thomas’s cap hit into subsequent seasons.

“It’s a fair question,” Daly told thn.com via email. “I don’t believe we would carry the cap charge past this year.”

So for next season Thomas either become UFA or has to play for NYI?

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So for next season Thomas either become UFA or has to play for NYI?
The Isles can toll his contract to keep him. Would make sense. They would only have to pay him 3m even though cap hit is 5m. Contract was front-loaded. I'm sure Thomas would want an extension if he comes back. Doubt he would come back for one year. Makes no sense for the Isles to not toll his contract.

As other posters have poionted out. I'm guessing the parameters of a bigger trade were discussed. But, Isles don't want to sell off as long as they are in the hunt. If they fall out, then they can deal Vis and Streit anywhere they want. Maybe, one of them to Boston.

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