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What problems?

Methinks the Ti-Cats would welcome any such attention to their brand.
hard to say. the Cats would go from #1 in the city to #2 by a large distance. i dont think theyd be happy sharing the name at the same time

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can some one explain to me the attendance for the Bulldogs and why its higher? on ice product is horrible, NHL is back full swing so whats the deal?is it the 3 dollar beers on Fridays?

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can some one explain to me the attendance for the Bulldogs and why its higher? on ice product is horrible, NHL is back full swing so whats the deal?is it the 3 dollar beers on Fridays?
I have no idea. It's possible that the NHL lockout caused a lot of people to check out the AHL and they decided the enjoyed it enough to stay...

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I have no idea. It's possible that the NHL lockout caused a lot of people to check out the AHL and they decided the enjoyed it enough to stay...
Have you seen the Dogs this year?i haven't but I've read there awful. I'm planning on going this weekend with my youngin maybe I'll see what the deal is.

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Have you seen the Dogs this year?i haven't but I've read there awful. I'm planning on going this weekend with my youngin maybe I'll see what the deal is.
Goin down to the Dog Pound Ryan? Pick out a puppy? That what the kids expecting? Man, are you Evil....

anyhoo, I see the company Rockhammer group who controls the Hard Rock franchises, bars, restaurants, hotels etc with local ties to the Mercanti Familia are wanting to drop some $200M+++ in building a hotel, retail, commercial & residential, restaurants, bar, museum & gambling facility in downtown Hamilton.

Im likin that idea, and Im likin it alot. Some sort of tax structure from gambling profits could be used & funnelled towards Copps (similar to what Winnipeg did) with a major $150M+ upgrade, giving the NHL absolutely no excuse to continue postponing the inevitable.

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Goin down to the Dog Pound Ryan? Pick out a puppy? That what the kids expecting? Man, are you Evil....

anyhoo, I see the company Rockhammer group who controls the Hard Rock franchises, bars, restaurants, hotels etc with local ties to the Mercanti Familia are wanting to drop some $200M+++ in building a hotel, retail, commercial & residential, restaurants, bar, museum & gambling facility in downtown Hamilton.

Im likin that idea, and Im likin it alot. Some sort of tax structure from gambling profits could be used & funnelled towards Copps (similar to what Winnipeg did) with a major $150M+ upgrade, giving the NHL absolutely no excuse to continue postponing the inevitable.
Sounds pretty incredible doesn't it... Finally someone willing to invest and create jobs in Hamilton. Unfortunately we have a nimby attitude in this city, especially amongst the hipsters that live downtown that think the arts is the end all and be all of entertainment in the city.

Kil, We have no money for infrastructure here in Ontario even the mighty Mississauga is coming up short. I wish we could use the money on Copps but ain't gonna happen.

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Sounds pretty incredible doesn't it... Finally someone willing to invest and create jobs in Hamilton. Unfortunately we have a nimby attitude in this city, especially amongst the hipsters that live downtown that think the arts is the end all and be all of entertainment in the city.

Kil, We have no money for infrastructure here in Ontario even the mighty Mississauga is coming up short. I wish we could use the money on Copps but ain't gonna happen.
The last referendum Hamilton had on the subject I actually voted against bringing a casino to the city, my views have altered substantially since then. I've been to Brantford many times over the years and having a casino in their downtown has helped spur a renascence for the area. I think those that trash a downtown casino are talking out of their ass. People should not be looking at this gift horse in the mouth...

I also can't help but think a casino might help the cause on the NHL front. A new owner might want to hitch their wagon to that star...

On infrastructure, cities that had extreme high growth are going to be in a world of hurt down the line when all their infrastructure needs come due at once. How attractive is Mississauga going to be when all their roads start crumbling and watermains start bursting all at once (Markham for that matter as well...)

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The last referendum Hamilton had on the subject I actually voted against bringing a casino to the city, my views have altered substantially since then. I've been to Brantford many times over the years and having a casino in their downtown has helped spur a renascence for the area. I think those that trash a downtown casino are talking out of their ass. People should not be looking at this gift horse in the mouth...

I also can't help but think a casino might help the cause on the NHL front. A new owner might want to hitch their wagon to that star...

On infrastructure, cities that had extreme high growth are going to be in a world of hurt down the line when all their infrastructure needs come due at once. How attractive is Mississauga going to be when all their roads start crumbling and watermains start bursting all at once (Markham for that matter as well...)
agreed and to be honest if this was a stand alone casino I'd wouldn't be to enthusiastic about it.

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agreed and to be honest if this was a stand alone casino I'd wouldn't be to enthusiastic about it.
Well it looks like the question now is not if, but where....

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Merulla says he'll introduce a new motion at Thursday's special casino meeting to name Flamboro Downs as the only possible location for a casino.

Merulla, one of council's most vocal opponents to a gaming facility in the core, says he's making the move based on comments Ontario Lottery and Gaming Corporation spokesperson Tony Bitont.

Bitonti told Spectator Columnist Andrew Dreschel Thursday that if council chooses Flamboro Downs, OLG will seek out casino operators who might be interested in developing the location.
A casino is going to benefit Hamilton regardless of where it is, but it almost feels like a replay of the stadium debacle where they get a solution that is a fraction of what it could be. The question is will the casino not being downtown cause some bidders to drop out, thus elimating some possible spin-off benefits. It is an already difficult question that's been muddied by too much hyperbole.

Everytime I go to downtown Hamilton, I can see the changes taking place. It is clear that the city has turned a corner without the benefit of casino, but at the same time a casino/hotel complex could make downtown that much more of a draw for not just people but for other developers and businesses.

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Kil, We have no money for infrastructure here in Ontario even the mighty Mississauga is coming up short. I wish we could use the money on Copps but ain't gonna happen.
I wasnt aware of that. Surely the roads and bridges arent' Montreal & Quebec "bad"?.... also, though a motion appears to have been undertaken for a Casino operation out at Flamborough (MottsClamatos) Downs, betcha its just a matter of time if enjoined with the reno of Copps Hard Rock gets the go ahead for limited gambling & VLT's, a portion of those proceeds funnelled towards paying for it. Sort of like a giant CFD as contemplated in Glendale through the merchants at Westgate Mall. Winnipeg's got a similar deal with an adjoining facility to the MTS Centre; BC way out on the branch in terms of Casino developments, hundreds of millions swelling its coffers... think about it? You could go watch the Hamilton Tigers, then after, go watch oldies acts like Paul Revere & the Raiders or whatever at the Hard Rocks Show Lounge, served drinks at your table, place a bet as to whether or not Paul Revere Dick (yes that his real name) doesnt expire, have a massive coronary before finishing their 1971 Smash Hit Indian Reservation, Cherokee Tribe. Now thats a fun night out.

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Well it looks like the question now is not if, but where....

Merulla dropping casino referendum motion



A casino is going to benefit Hamilton regardless of where it is, but it almost feels like a replay of the stadium debacle where they get a solution that is a fraction of what it could be. The question is will the casino not being downtown cause some bidders to drop out, thus elimating some possible spin-off benefits. It is an already difficult question that's been muddied by too much hyperbole.

Everytime I go to downtown Hamilton, I can see the changes taking place. It is clear that the city has turned a corner without the benefit of casino, but at the same time a casino/hotel complex could make downtown that much more of a draw for not just people but for other developers and businesses.
SERIOUSLY!? I'd call Sam an idiot but he's actually very smart. He knows very well the infrastructure in Flamborough would need to be upgraded. To which the City has to pay.
OLG to me has made it very clear they don't want Flamborough. They've had the race tracks lease agreement for the slots and not signed off on it.
Bottom line what Sam is doing is stalling, the referendum stall tactic wasn't going to work now he's switched gears to flamborough. Knowing this will cause just enough delay in the process that they won't have to make a decision one way or another. OLG will walk and take Flamborough slots with them.

More so done with this city and the clowns ruining it.


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SERIOUSLY!? I'd call Sam an idiot but he's actually very smart. He knows very well the infrastructure in Flamborough would need to be upgraded. To which the City has to pay.
OLG to me has made it very clear they don't want Flamborough. They've had the race tracks lease agreement for the slots and not signed off on it.
Bottom line what Sam is doing is stalling, the referendum stall tactic wasn't going to work now he's switched gears to flamborough. Knowing this will cause just enough delay in the process that they won't have to make a decision one way or another. OLG will walk and take Flamborough slots with them.

More so done with this city and the clowns ruining it.

by seeing the latest developments on this im going to retract the Stallin Sam comments.. he's cleaver like a fox this one..


by having Flamborough on the table as the main destination it keeps the CasiNO jerks off his back. when Flamborough fails as a site and it will for so many reasons, he can easily tell the CasiNO group.. "we tried the best we can to keep from the Downtown, our hands are tied"

that Sam, soooo smooth

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by seeing the latest developments on this im going to retract the Stallin Sam comments.. he's cleaver like a fox this one..


by having Flamborough on the table as the main destination it keeps the CasiNO jerks off his back. when Flamborough fails as a site and it will for so many reasons, he can easily tell the CasiNO group.. "we tried the best we can to keep from the Downtown, our hands are tied"

that Sam, soooo smooth
I 100% agree with you Sam Murila is an idiot he is one thoses guys who likes to hear his own voice & get his face on TV. as much as he can .

The thing is that a downtown casino & resort is a win win for Hamilton 1. Create close to 2.000 jobs 2. Won't cost the city a dime 3. Give the city a sense of identy 4. Bring more investment to the city & last but least this casino & resort might put Hamilton over the top & finally we get that NHL. team that we have been fighting for for years .

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I 100% agree with you Sam Murila is an idiot he is one thoses guys who likes to hear his own voice & get his face on TV. as much as he can .

The thing is that a downtown casino & resort is a win win for Hamilton 1. Create close to 2.000 jobs 2. Won't cost the city a dime 3. Give the city a sense of identy 4. Bring more investment to the city & last but least this casino & resort might put Hamilton over the top & finally we get that NHL. team that we have been fighting for for years .
Well the one thing we know for sure is if we get a downtown casino. We won't get anymore pga golfers coming into town and whining about the city being boring with nothing to do.

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Where would a downtown Casino even go? I'm thinking a renovated Hamilton City Centre? Would definitely bring a lot of foot traffic to that area of the city.

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Where would a downtown Casino even go? I'm thinking a renovated Hamilton City Centre? Would definitely bring a lot of foot traffic to that area of the city.
There are supposedly a few sites being considered, one being rumoured is the current site of Sir John A. MacDonald Secondary School (slated to close) that is kitty corner to Copps Coliseum.

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Have you seen the Dogs this year?i haven't but I've read there awful. I'm planning on going this weekend with my youngin maybe I'll see what the deal is.
What kind of hockey fan are you? My daughter who is not even a real fan has been there twice this season. Wears an autographed road Jersey and all. My brother who also doesn't really live in Hamilton, has a pair of season tickets. Sheesh man support your team even if they are down at the bottom of the mountain

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Sir John A Macdonald secondary school site would be a perfect site to put a casino & resort in downtown Hamilton because you got Jackson square , Copps Coliseum , Parking & more bars & resturants all just across the street from this site .

But we all know Hamilton city council has a habit of makking bone head decisions that ethier cost or nearly cost somthing great to happen to this city I give you a couple of examples 1. The stadium fiasco that nearly saw the Tiger Cats move to a new stadium in Burlington luckley mayor Bob Bratina struck a compermize on the stadium debate 2. In the early 80's there was a deal in place that would have saw the Colorado Rockies move to Hamilton but a bone headed mayor at the time screwed it up & the rockies ended up in New Jersey .

Let me tell you somthing Hamilton has a great mayor in Bob Bratina who I belive wants to see this casino & resort happen its just matter of getting the votes from a bone headed city council to make it happen .

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An interesting Global Spectrum/Casino link...

Confusion over HECFI operators' casino take

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Just before the special casino meeting began, Farr held a news conference relaying opposition to a downtown casino by Global Spectrum and Live Nation, the private operators of Copps Coliseum and Hamilton Place.

In response to an email from Farr, Global Spectrum said a downtown casino would “fundamentally kill” the market for entertainment in the core and directly compete with their business. Global Spectrum also warned a casino could affect its agreement with the city to help relieve the millions in subsidies the city paid each year to keep its entertainment facilities afloat.
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Global Spectrum vice-president Frank Russo refused to speak to The Spectator Friday. Instead, his office said all inquiries should be directed to Bratina’s chief of staff, Peggy Chapman.

In an email distributed to councillors Friday afternoon — again from Bratina’s office — Russo said any venue larger than 1,200 seats would hurt its business. The management agreement between the city and Global Spectrum/Live Nation states the city cannot support any entertainment venue larger than 3,000 seats.

“Neither Global Spectrum nor Live Nation have any opinion with respect to a Casino per se,” reads the letter. “Our remarks were only in the context of opposing a competitive entertainment venue that we understood may be a component of an overall casino development.”
I still think a downtown casino would be a net benefit to Global Spectrum, but I think I get where they are coming from. A new entertainment venue would be very much like having both an AHL and OHL team in which additional competition will only cannibalize the market.

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An interesting Global Spectrum/Casino link...

Confusion over HECFI operators' casino take





I still think a downtown casino would be a net benefit to Global Spectrum, but I think I get where they are coming from. A new entertainment venue would be very much like having both an AHL and OHL team in which additional competition will only cannibalize the market.
The Rockhammer entertainment venue would seat a mere 200. Not competition for Global Spectrum.

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There are supposedly a few sites being considered, one being rumoured is the current site of Sir John A. MacDonald Secondary School (slated to close) that is kitty corner to Copps Coliseum.
Oh man, that's actually a great location for it. A few blocks from Hess Village, a few from James Street North. A lot of entertainment options in one consolidated area of the city. And it's a legit tenant for what would otherwise be an empty building/plot of land. I hope it works out.

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Lets not forget that global spectrum wants to bring an NHL. team to Hamilton & Casino & Resort within walking distance of Copps Coliseum can only benfit Global Spectrums & Hamiltons chances at landing an NHL. team for the city .

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Oh man, that's actually a great location for it. A few blocks from Hess Village, a few from James Street North. A lot of entertainment options in one consolidated area of the city. And it's a legit tenant for what would otherwise be an empty building/plot of land. I hope it works out.
I haven't heard the Sir John A location come up but that would be a great spot very convenient and as a special bonus Not to far from the hipsters on James st. Haaha.

Not sure if I mentioned this on here or not but I always thought Chedoke golf course. Buy it from the city Keep one of the 18 holes as an attraction. Bring in the golden bear to redesign it. Maybe even open the old ski hills for a winter attraction.

Its seconds from the 403, the carport, innovation park.

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What kind of hockey fan are you? My daughter who is not even a real fan has been there twice this season. Wears an autographed road Jersey and all. My brother who also doesn't really live in Hamilton, has a pair of season tickets. Sheesh man support your team even if they are down at the bottom of the mountain
Lol. The Cats get basically all my support now a days, AHL does little for me and The dogs,meh, I liked them better when it was Edmontons team.

I admit I could be a better hockey fan but really where's my motivation.. The Leafs? Was a fan but it was more stolkhom syndrome than anything else. The Sabres? Pass on an American team especially one that's been against Hamilton getting a team. The Dogs the Marlies? Like I said AHL does little for me.

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I haven't heard the Sir John A location come up but that would be a great spot
This is a concept, with a southerly view, showing what looks like Copps and Stelco tower on the lower left, supposedly from the current SJAM site.




Also, look at the fifth last page of this pdf, and it looks like SJAM's triangular block with York Blvd's one way traffic flowing east.

http://www.hamilton.ca/NR/rdonlyres/...esentation.pdf

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