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02-08-2013, 03:53 PM
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Instead of making a thread of the main board ill ask here. How far is Karlsson from being the best player in the world?

In my opinion the only player that seems to have the edge over Karlsson is Sidney Crosby. Karlsson seems to be able to shut down and counter attack pretty well against most others like Stamkos, Giroux and sometimes Malkin. He showed it against the canes when he made Staal like an amateur. Malkin though has an overkill mode that you really cant do much about. Karlsson does such a good job against Crosby but he just seems to outskill Karlsson. Best players in the world IMO.

Crosby vs Karlsson

wednesday should be great I hope Karlsson matches up with Crosby.

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Karlsson has a more vital role on his team than Crosby. Plays excellent in all three zones. That's why he is better, in my eyes.

Without Karlsson, this team would be struggling so much it isn't even funny.

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Instead of making a thread of the main board ill ask here. How far is Karlsson from being the best player in the world?

In my opinion the only player that seems to have the edge over Karlsson is Sidney Crosby. Karlsson seems to be able to shut down and counter attack pretty well against most others like Stamkos, Giroux and sometimes Malkin. He showed it against the canes when he made Staal like an amateur. Malkin though has an overkill mode that you really cant do much about. Karlsson does such a good job against Crosby but he just seems to outskill Karlsson. Best players in the world IMO.

Crosby vs Karlsson

wednesday should be great I hope Karlsson matches up with Crosby.
You're not going to get an unbiased answer here but I'll give you my 2 cents.

Karlsson is absolutely in the conversation for best player in the world. He can do things that no one else can do and that includes Crosby and Malkin. He makes everyone else in the game play at his pace and he plays every inch of the 200 foot ice surface. He used to make a ton of plays with his hands and feet but now his mind has gone to that next level, thinking the game a step ahead of everyone else. Just as an example, he broke his stick against Buffalo and the Sabres turned it quickly up ice. Without any hesitation he skates back sans stick and forces the Sabres forward breaking in to go offside by holding him up just short of the blue line. There's about 10 subtle plays like this every game that make your jaw drop if you appreciate that part of the game.

I've yet to see another player who generates as much offense for his team than Karlsson this season. Maybe Marty St. Louis or Joe Thornton but Karlsson does for about 30 minutes a game and he does it while shutting down the opposing team's best players. He's unique in every way and is making people rethink the way his position is played.

I certainly appreciate the greatness of players like Chara, Pietrangelo, and Weber but Karlsson is on his own level right now and I think we're going to see him win another Norris this season

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02-08-2013, 04:42 PM
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I certainly appreciate the greatness of players like Chara, Pietrangelo, and Weber but Karlsson is on his own level right now and I think we're going to see him win another Norris this season
If he continues to play like he is right now, even without any changes to his game, he'll win the Norris every year until he retires.
As another poster noted - he plays the puck, not the man. And it works.

He breaks so many rules about playing defense, gets away with it, and makes it look effortless.

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A 65-year-old #65 at an alumni game?

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A 65-year-old #65 at an alumni game?
I especially appreciate the spelling errors:

Erik Karlsson (Ottowa Senators) NHL 33 McFarlane

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02-08-2013, 04:55 PM
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Instead of making a thread of the main board ill ask here. How far is Karlsson from being the best player in the world?

In my opinion the only player that seems to have the edge over Karlsson is Sidney Crosby. Karlsson seems to be able to shut down and counter attack pretty well against most others like Stamkos, Giroux and sometimes Malkin. He showed it against the canes when he made Staal like an amateur. Malkin though has an overkill mode that you really cant do much about. Karlsson does such a good job against Crosby but he just seems to outskill Karlsson. Best players in the world IMO.

Crosby vs Karlsson

wednesday should be great I hope Karlsson matches up with Crosby.
The game is driven by puck possession and I saw a stat today, where the other two pairings entered the offensize zone 26-28% of the time they tried. Karlsson and Methot were at 67%...and this is a game where I thought we controlled regardless of who was on the ice, meaning the other pairings had good numbers.

It's a good way of quantifying some of Karlsson's game. ES GF and GA while he's on the ice vs when he's off is staggering as well. We don't spend any time defending when he's on the ice, it's all offense. And if he does that individually better than any other player...I think there's a case to be made he might be the most valuable individual in the league. A league that has gone puck possession.

Can I say this makes him better? It's hard to compare him to a forward. But I don't think Crosby gets to have that specific kind of impact because he's a forward.

I'd have a tough time wrapping my head around Karlsson > Crosby. But as time goes on I think there's potential for a realistic debate. There just isn't much to compare Karlsson's control of the game too. The puck certainly isn't magnetized to Crosby the way is to Karlsson all game IMO. Does that mean he's better? I dunno.

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02-08-2013, 04:57 PM
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The game is driven by puck possession and I saw a stat today, where the other two pairings entered the offensize zone 26-28% of the time they tried. Karlsson and Methot were at 67%...and this is a game where I thought we controlled regardless of who was on the ice, meaning the other pairings had good numbers.

It's a good way of quantifying some of Karlsson's game. ES GF and GA while he's on the ice vs when he's off is staggering as well. We don't spend any time defending when he's on the ice, it's all offense. And if he does that individually better than any other player...I think there's a case to be made he might be the most valuable individual in the league. A league that has gone puck possession. I think this is also an insight to why a coach like Dave Lewis said he was the best player...right after MacLean had the audacity to say it a couple days ago. It's hard to match the impact he makes on keeping his team on offense and away from defense.

Can I say this makes him better? It's hard to compare him to a forward. But I don't think Crosby gets to have that specific kind of impact because he's a forward.

I'd have a tough time wrapping my head around Karlsson > Crosby. But as time goes on I think there's potential for a realistic debate. There just isn't much to compare Karlsson's control of the game too. The puck certainly isn't magnetized to Crosby the way is to Karlsson all game IMO. Does that mean he's better? I dunno.
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If he continues to play like he is right now, even without any changes to his game, he'll win the Norris every year until he retires.
As another poster noted - he plays the puck, not the man. And it works.

He breaks so many rules about playing defense, gets away with it, and makes it look effortless
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Orr did this too. If you watched Orr play (and I have on lengthy youtube footage of gameplay) he often just skated around and took the puck from people as he pleased. He had a much easier time doing it back then though, he was way too far ahead of anyone else.

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Back then there weren't many rules for defense.

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What happened when he went to the AHL at 19, he put up 11 points in 12 games and was too good for the league. He didn't have to understand defensive play to dominate. But in the NHL he was absolutely lost. It's pretty much that way now except he's older and doing it in the NHL...he had to learn somethings, but he kinda wings it alot. And it's good that he's allowed to.

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yea Karlsson has the most impact on the game by far. Crosby may be able to beat him one on one but Crosby doesn't control half the game. I think its safe to say Karlsson is the best player in the world.

seriously the 08 draft is just mesmerizing. who would've thought the kid taken at 15 would become this.

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Can't wait to see Karlsson against a real team. Back to back game vs Tampa and Karlsson not himself vs Pittsburg were the two good team we faced. Maybe Montreal? Seems like East doesn't have a standout except Boston/Pittsburg. As far as individuals go, did well vs Staal, toyed a bit with Stamkos. Hope we face Pitts soon.

Hyping Karlsson to the max is asking for trouble, especially when the other team targets him specifically, but he never disappoints.

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02-08-2013, 05:32 PM
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Instead of making a thread of the main board ill ask here. How far is Karlsson from being the best player in the world?
I hate to be the one to say this, but, he still needs time. Not because the skill level isn't there, but, because claims like that need the benefit of time to substantiate them.

I think people have articulated well in this thread why his play this year is so special. He's redefining the position and playing such a unique style.

It's working incredibly well regardless of what people throw at it. Ideally, you need to see this current incarnation in some high stake games, like the playoffs (as he's better today than he was just 8 months ago.

It will be interesting to watch how Karlsson plays against our division over the course of the season. We play each team 7 times in a short season. There's plenty of time for players and coaches to adapt and build game plans. The test is, does Karlsson get better against these teams, or do they find a way to shut him down.

I'm pretty confident that Karlsson will continue to play at a level that puts his name in the conversation, and as Sens fans, we get to see how he'll push the boundaries even further on what we expect from the position.

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What do posters on this board think the sens should do player choice wise in order to best utilize how Karlsson drives offense? This season it seems that the offensive zone time Karlsson creates is often squandered.

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Get Spezza back healthy. THen you'll see the wizardry fully appreciated.

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Pretty much. Also hope that at least a couple of Silfverberg, Zibanejad, Stone, etc. develop into good players.

Silf looks like he's just about there. He's great with and without the puck, has a killer shot, good speed and quickness... and he's looked dangerous the last few games. Hopefully the point totals will follow.

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He is reminding me of Bobby Orr .... changing how defence is played. But again is a combination of things on a team as a whole & not just one person. Having Methot really helps his offensive game, Methot really looks after his back more so than Kuba ever did.

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What do posters on this board think the sens should do player choice wise in order to best utilize how Karlsson drives offense? This season it seems that the offensive zone time Karlsson creates is often squandered.
A winger that would be worried about Karlsson or Spezza making a backdoor pass on the other side of the ice, preferably a one timer.

Usually Spezza is on the left side of the ice for powerplays for example , but if we had someone on the right side with Karlsson at the top it would help both of them quite a bit and open up the ice a bit more instead of the other team focusing on just one or two players.

Only other thing I can think of is a specialist in front of the net. Someone like Corey Perry.

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I'll put it this way.. Seeing Karlsson play hockey makes me forget that my own team (caps) is absolutely pathetic. I dont care if he's the best player or not, he's so damn entertaining to watch and makes so many great plays every single game I kind of forget that my two own superstars in Bäckis and Ovy is highly underperforming and that rest of the team is so bad I just want to facepalm the entire game.

That my friend, is how great EK65 is right now.

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A winger that would be worried about Karlsson or Spezza making a backdoor pass on the other side of the ice, preferably a one timer.

Usually Spezza is on the left side of the ice for powerplays for example , but if we had someone on the right side with Karlsson at the top it would help both of them quite a bit and open up the ice a bit more instead of the other team focusing on just one or two players.

Only other thing I can think of is a specialist in front of the net. Someone like Corey Perry.
Isn't that what Latendresse was suppose to be? We also have Greening, Smith, JOB, Neil, Michalek & Zibanejad but Perry would be nice. My guess is that Annahiem re-signs both players, it would be irresponsible not to. Trade one maybe if it improve the team but lose both would be ludicrous.

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One thing I've noticed is that Karlsson shouldn't be the one to drive the of fence. I think he's most effective as a complementary offensive player. If you look at last year look at how many of his name points came off the breakout or when spezza is driving the play. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf8CSIn. This year its like his forwards expect him to score as well as carry it in to the offensive zone. While he's still so good at it, you can see his limitations. As a poster said how many times can he walk in the zone and just take a shot from a bad angle. My point is he's a transition machine. Not an offensive machine. He needs his teammates to get hungrier in the offensive zone.

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You know when people are like "I hope the hockey gods give us win tonight" or "Man we totally lost cause the hockey gods were against us"...I'm fairly certain that they're just talking about Karlsson.

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