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02-08-2013, 05:37 PM
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The Caps might end up canning management, coaching, some role players, some major secondary players, but it's a good bet that Ovechkin, Backstrom, Kuznetsov and Forsberg are absolutely unavailable, under just about any circumstances. Those four are almost certainly going nowhere. After that, all bets may be off.

Mike Green... I don't know about him. he's ironically the one playing best right now, but since this season is a write-off, I'm not sure that means very much. They're going to miss the playoffs with or without Green playing well. So he might be a maybe, and even then I don't think they want to move him.

I can see the team giving its room a whack upside the head. Yet I don't see them making a panic move out of the core or touching the top end of the prospect pool.

I could see a move for a goaltender of the future, perhaps, or at least a stopgap to get the team through the year. Then they draft a good talent with a high pick (#1 to #5) and try again next year. This is probably the year McPhee gets the axe, and I suspect Leonsis is currently trying to find a replacement.

There isn't a proposal on the first three or four pages of the trade boards worth a damn for the Caps. Just a vultures' circle jerk.

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02-08-2013, 07:06 PM
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What do Washington fans think of Backstrom relative to Kuznetsov? Backstrom HAS to be more valuable, right?
Backstrom is definitely more valuable, and neither is likely to move. It just doesn't make sense to trade Kuznetsov, though. Nobody is going to pay full price for him while he's still in Russia. There's a better chance that he can turn the team around then whatever he would bring back in a trade. With the playoffs a faint hope, there's no reason to try and rush the process.

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Picks don't do much for us. What are your other needs?
If we're trading Backstrom away, we need a player we feel can fill in for him long term. Even if Ribeiro is extended, he's already 32 (33 in two days). And if Ribs isn't extended, our center position would be a complete disaster. I don't know if I trust Berglund to be that guy.

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02-08-2013, 07:47 PM
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If we're trading Backstrom away, we need a player we feel can fill in for him long term. Even if Ribeiro is extended, he's already 32 (33 in two days). And if Ribs isn't extended, our center position would be a complete disaster. I don't know if I trust Berglund to be that guy.
Fair enough and that makes sense.

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02-08-2013, 08:10 PM
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The Caps might end up canning management...
HFBoards fantasy...sadly. If GMGM's comments today told me anything it's that he's not worried about his job security at all.

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There isn't a proposal on the first three or four pages of the trade boards worth a damn for the Caps. Just a vultures' circle jerk.
As for this part, I agree. I'm not sure what the trade should be, but a shakeup - an actual smart, value trade that could help snap the Caps out of it - is warranted, but I haven't seen one good proposal anywhere really.

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02-08-2013, 08:32 PM
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What do Washington fans think of Backstrom relative to Kuznetsov? Backstrom HAS to be more valuable, right?
More valuable, sure, but only right now. I'm of the opinion that for as good as Backstrom is, Kuznetsov has more capacity to be valuable, even though he isn't yet.

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Typo on Eberle.

So, you're saying, at best Backstrom is #9 on the center list, and it could be closer to the teens.

Either way, I'm not trading a guy who will be in the Norris discussion for a decade for that, especially when that is as likely to seek witness protection when the rubber meets the road as he is to step up.
Okay, not saying you're the first or only person to do it, or that you can't be right, but this whole between-lockouts period has been full of "Norris contenders for the next decade". Just saying, we've all had reason to assume that our favorite players won't slip, or stop developing, but if it were true Ovechkin would still be scoring 50+ goals, Bouwmeester and Phaneuf would be fighting for Norris supremacy, and Steve Mason could have wrapped up at least his second or third Vezina.

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This is a laughable thread. Backstrom isnt going anywhere.

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Caps fan here, I have a hardon for Perron, so we can work from there. Not sure about Stewart though.

edit: backstrom, carlson, green for Perron, Petro


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02-08-2013, 09:42 PM
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Caps fan here, I have a hardon for Perron, so we can work from there. Not sure about Stewart though.

edit: backstrom, carlson, green for Perron, Petro
Petro is a no go.

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02-08-2013, 09:43 PM
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Caps fan here, I have a hardon for Perron, so we can work from there. Not sure about Stewart though.

edit: backstrom, carlson, green for Perron, Petro
I can guarantee you, there is less than a 0% we trade Petro.

Perron is expendable, Petro is not.

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02-09-2013, 12:45 AM
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No offense but we can't replace Backstrom.. Ribeiro has been good and they are at times switching between #1 and #2. I like David Perron though, 29 other teams would want him, so it's an indication of good seasons to come with him.

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02-09-2013, 04:52 AM
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Thats a solid proposal, I gives WAS some much needed depth @ the top 6 and gives the elite player STL have looking for years
The Quarter always wins over the two dimes and a nickle.

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02-09-2013, 05:22 AM
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Some people are seriously underrating Perron in this thread. He is a very solid top 6 forward that has 29 goals, 64 points and is a +28 over his last 82 regular season games.

But it is obvious that Backstrom isn't going anywhere. If he is, the Blues would have to send Berglund back the other way to give the Caps another center.

So I can understand a base of Perron and Berglund for Backstrom with some pick going to Washington.

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02-09-2013, 05:57 AM
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I can guarantee you, there is less than a 0% we trade Petro.

Perron is expendable, Petro is not.

This.

Petro is the cornerstone of the Franchise.

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02-09-2013, 10:43 AM
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The Quarter always wins over the two dimes and a nickle.
Sorry, dont get me wrong I would agree with you 95% of thew time, but In this case, it would help WAS quite a bit. Perron, Stewart, Schwartz are not pocket change...

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You do realize Bäckström scored 100 points not to long ago, and 44 points in 42 games last season before he got a concussion, right?
He has perhaps not started great this season but he still has 8 points in 11 games, better than Giroux for example.
Some of the proposals in this thread are just ridiculous. Why the hell would Washington ever trade him?

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02-09-2013, 04:08 PM
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You do realize Bäckström scored 100 points not to long ago, and 44 points in 42 games last season before he got a concussion, right?
He has perhaps not started great this season but he still has 8 points in 11 games, better than Giroux for example.
Some of the proposals in this thread are just ridiculous. Why the hell would Washington ever trade him?
Unfortunately, his value is no longer a 100 point player, more of an 80-85 point player.

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02-09-2013, 04:09 PM
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Unfortunately, his value is no longer a 100 point player, more of an 80-85 point player.
On HF it is, indeed. In real life though, probably not.

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On HF it is, indeed. In real life though, probably not.
Well in real life he isn't scoring like a 100 point player. No GM is going to pay for what a player did in the past, at least smart ones won't.

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Do you also think Ovechkin holds the same value as a 65-70 point player?

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Do you also think Ovechkin holds the same value as a 65-70 point player?
When you factor in his contract and production, a bit higher than that, but nowhere near what it used to be.

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Do you also think Ovechkin holds the same value as a 65-70 point player?
Do you think he still has the value of a 60 goal scorer?

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Do you think he still has the value of a 60 goal scorer?
Perhaps not, but he still has more value than all but about 5 players.

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Perhaps not, but he still has more value than all but about 5 players.
So OV is a top five player?

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