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02-08-2013, 05:42 PM
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I don't like it.

And that is different. You can be a cup champ or not a cup champ, there's no in between. When you call someone a 40 goal scorer you're doing it to pin their talent level which is on a scale. He scored 40 goals once, he is technically a "40 goal scorer" but when people use that term it's not used to describe career highs but rather what you can expect out of the player, and it is therefore misleading to label Kesler a 40 goal scorer even though he has scored 40 goals once.
Yeah you kind of need a lot of talent to score 40 goals even one year.

How many 40 goal scorers are there a year vs. stanley cup winners?

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02-08-2013, 05:42 PM
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Kassian is a pass 1st right winger. He would also serve as Kesler's bodyguard...

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Booth Kesler Kassian
Raymond Schroeder Hansen
Higgins Lapierre Malhotra
Weise

The Canucks should wait and see how this lineup looks before deciding what to do up front.

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02-08-2013, 05:43 PM
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Blake Wheeler would be unreal. Pretty much no chance I know but Booth-Kesler-Wheeler would be so big and fast.

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02-08-2013, 05:49 PM
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I don't like it.

And that is different. You can be a cup champ or not a cup champ, there's no in between. When you call someone a 40 goal scorer you're doing it to pin their talent level which is on a scale. He scored 40 goals once, he is technically a "40 goal scorer" but when people use that term it's not used to describe career highs but rather what you can expect out of the player, and it is therefore misleading to label Kesler a 40 goal scorer even though he has scored 40 goals once.
You fail (purposefully) to mention he also won the Selke trophy in that same year . Only the 3rd time in NHL history someone has done that. Ever.

I for one am sick and tired of people making 1/15th arguments. Picking out the only facts they want to see, and then IGNORE all the rest like they dont exist. Its frustrating for those who simply want good conversation in general.

Kesler is a 40 goal scoring Selke winner. I never even mentioned hes a perennial 20 goal guy, whether being a third line shut down center, or second line winger for Sundin and hes done it as a second line center in his own right. Injured , hobbling on one leg /hip/arm or not.

You move that guy, one of the THE BEST 2 way centers in the whole league, (yes Datzyuk is still best) just so that a 20 year old snot nosed kid can get what he wants?

That cannot make sense, does not make sense, and would never happen.

The only way it ever would have happened is if Cody Hodgson's DAD actually bought the Canuck franchise.

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02-08-2013, 07:16 PM
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I'd love to somehow get Weiss from Florida. What would that cost?

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Booth-Kesler-Kassian
Raymond-Weiss-Hansen
Higgins-Malhotra-Lapierre
Volpatti/Weise

That center depth looks crazy.

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02-08-2013, 07:37 PM
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Raymond is a fine playmaker, underrated. He's showing it now. The whole "black hole" BS is more fitting of Kesler than MayRay. Kes was the one bringing down that line last year, if he returns to form, they'll be ok.

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02-08-2013, 07:42 PM
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Kassian is a pass 1st right winger. He would also serve as Kesler's bodyguard...

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Booth Kesler Kassian
Raymond Schroeder Hansen
Higgins Lapierre Malhotra
Weise

The Canucks should wait and see how this lineup looks before deciding what to do up front.
This is the way I see it shaking down too. Except switch Malhotra and Lapierre. However apparently our management is considering playing Schroeder with Kesler when he gets back, which would certainly throw a loop through any line combos.

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I don't like it.

And that is different. You can be a cup champ or not a cup champ, there's no in between. When you call someone a 40 goal scorer you're doing it to pin their talent level which is on a scale. He scored 40 goals once, he is technically a "40 goal scorer" but when people use that term it's not used to describe career highs but rather what you can expect out of the player, and it is therefore misleading to label Kesler a 40 goal scorer even though he has scored 40 goals once.
You have it all wrong, a 40 goal scorer is someone that has scored 40 goals, a perennial 40 goal scorer puts up that amount year after year. Just like someone is a cup champion when they've one it only once.

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02-08-2013, 08:01 PM
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I'd love to somehow get Weiss from Florida. What would that cost?

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Booth-Kesler-Kassian
Raymond-Weiss-Hansen
Higgins-Malhotra-Lapierre
Volpatti/Weise

That center depth looks crazy.
Why would we pay someone 3 mill + to play on our third line?

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Why would we pay someone 3 mill + to play on our third line?
Why would we pay someone $2.5 mil to play on the 4th line.

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Why would we pay someone $2.5 mil to play on the 4th line.
lol I hope Manny proves em all wrong . He wasnt hired to be a fourth liner and Gillis did overpay its true.

But he was slowly proving his value until that unfortunate eye accident.

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Of course it is; it was proposed by the Canucks.

The Leafs have no intention to trade Kadri or a 1st in a trade for Luongo.
Exactly, although many were open to Kadri going into this year, the first was not

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Kassian is a pass 1st right winger. He would also serve as Kesler's bodyguard...

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Booth Kesler Kassian
Raymond Schroeder Hansen
Higgins Lapierre Malhotra
Weise

The Canucks should wait and see how this lineup looks before deciding what to do up front.
I like your lineup, but I want Booth to play with Raymond and Schroeder, they need a finisher on that line and I consistently see Weise/Hansen miss oppertunitys set up by these two.

Sedin-Sedin-Kassian/Burrows
Higgins-Kesler-Kassian/Burrows
Booth-Schroeder-Raymond
Hansen-Lapierre-Malhotra/Weise

*Kassian and Burrows are interchangeable if the Sedins slump again AV won't hesitate to put Kassian back with them, also if they're getting pushed around imo
*Higgins and Hansen are interchangeable because they are streaky so you play the "hot one"
*Malhotra and Weise are interchangeable depending on what type of game we are getting into.

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Why would we pay someone $2.5 mil to play on the 4th line.
lol oh you

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Ballard + 1st for Hemsky +3rd?
And Edmonton throws in a 3rd. Kind of insulting.

MacArthur might be had for Rodin or a 2nd, but not for a 3rd.

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With Kesler being less than a week away from playing and David Booth not to far behind him we could really use a guy who's main strength is being a setup man. I'm looking for someone to buy low on like McArthur and Teddy Purcell but would also look at guys like Blake Wheeler or PA Parenteau.
The Canucks don't need another top 6 player, especially with Kassian's play this season. When Kesler and Booth get back, they have:

Sedin Sedin Kassian
Booth Kesler Burrows
Raymond Schroeder/Lapierre Hansen
Higgins Malhotra/Lapierre Weise
Volpatti

Either Higgins, Raymond or Booth ends up being pushed to the fourth line. That's plenty of depth. Add onto that the cap crunch next season, and the last thing the Canucks need to be doing in taking on more contracts.

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You have it all wrong, a 40 goal scorer is someone that has scored 40 goals, a perennial 40 goal scorer puts up that amount year after year. Just like someone is a cup champion when they've one it only once.
what about when Leafs fans call Kessel a 40 goal man

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Blake Wheeler would be unreal. Pretty much no chance I know but Booth-Kesler-Wheeler would be so big and fast.
He would be the perfect winger for that line IMO and a big body for the playoffs. It would depend on where the Jets are by the trade deadline and what we can offer that they need. Sign me up for this deal or lesser option of Brassard. Thats a case of a good player in a bad situation.

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what about when Leafs fans call Kessel a 40 goal man
pretty sure he hasn't scored 40, if he has then I will call him a 40 goal scorer

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And Edmonton throws in a 3rd. Kind of insulting.

MacArthur might be had for Rodin or a 2nd, but not for a 3rd.
I'd take the 3rd over Rodin if I were you. Dude's not very good.

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I'd take the 3rd over Rodin if I were you. Dude's not very good.
Hope springs eternal, and we need prospects, but if Rodin has no potential, well...I'm not enamoured by MacArthur but that third is still not going to make it. There's a decent chance Mac fetches a better prospect or a second somewhere else.

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Habs: Edler

Van: Lars Eller, RaphaŽl Diaz, Natan Beaulieu and a 2nd 2013
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You get a big young guy with good hands and very aware defensivly that has top 6 potential, a young skilled offensive D, a blue chip prospect and a second in a deep draft year.

I think that's fair value
Ehh... No.

Edler is a 49 Point D-man still developing, niether of those coming back our way are sure things. I like Beaulieu but it makes no sense for us to deal Edler unless we get a good player coming back that is a sure thing.

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MacArthur can be had for a 2nd or a decent level prospect.
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Brassard is likely available from the Jackets, not sure what the price would be, probably a 2nd at a minimum though
Hmm both are quite interesting.

What about Prospect + 3rd?

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You get a big young guy with good hands and very aware defensivly that has top 6 potential, a young skilled offensive D, a blue chip prospect and a second in a deep draft year.

I think that's fair value
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You dont move a 40 goal scoring Selke winning dominating centre to wing just to try to satisfy Cody Hodgson fantasies.
No kidding, Cody isn't good enough defensively to displace Kes on that line.

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He's scored 40 goals once. Calling him a 40 goal scorer is very misleading as it implies he does it regularly. His next highest goal total is 26.
His 40 goal year wasn't even his best year in points.

He had 70+ the year prior playing 2nd PP time.

You comments is very misleading aswell.

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Iggy+Butler for Ballard, Jensen + 1st.... It's your best shot at a cup! First line RW playing on your second, added toughness as well as keeping Schneider and Kassian
Not a big fan of giving up Jensen + 1st in a deep draft, especially since our cupboards are bare when it comes to quality.

Especially inside the division for a UFA and a player that doesn't add anything.

No Thanks.

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Ballard + 1st for Hemsky +3rd?

Probably the best playmaking wing you could get, Ballard goes the other way to even out salary, plus Edmonton could use the D
No way, Ballard has been our best D-man, Hemsky is not bad but not worth adding a 1st into the deal.

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Hope springs eternal, and we need prospects, but if Rodin has no potential, well...I'm not enamoured by MacArthur but that third is still not going to make it. There's a decent chance Mac fetches a better prospect or a second somewhere else.
Just trying to make sure no one rips themselves off here

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Just trying to make sure no one rips themselves off here
In truth, if someone offered me a beer for MacArthur, I'd take it, but that's just me. The rest of the fan base is slightly more enamoured, I suppose....

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And Edmonton throws in a 3rd. Kind of insulting.

MacArthur might be had for Rodin or a 2nd, but not for a 3rd.
Sold. No takesies backsies.

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Sold. No takesies backsies.
Too late, too late. Stringer Bell already talked me out of Rodin. (The second still might fly, though).

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