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02-08-2013, 04:02 PM
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Pros: The #1 center in FLA could provide a big boost to our scoring depth. He's a good two-way player with speed, some strength and he's strong on face-offs. He doesn't have any more PP points than Iginla, but he plays more of a QB role, and being a LH shot might be a better fit with all our righties. He also has a history and chemistry with Nate Horton, so if the B's wanted, they could build a new scoring line around them, which would allow Bergeron to play a more defensive role at crunch time.

Cons: The B's don't exactly need another center. He doesn't really add any size to the group. He'll be expensive and they won't be able to re-sign him.

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Actually Weiss would be a really good fit here. Being able to roll a Kelly/Bergeron/Pevs 3rd line would be a huge advantage in the playoffs. That line could definitely score some goals while also shutting down the opposition and it would then make it even harder for other teams to match up against the B's. If that line got going offensively teams would have to possibly risk matching up against them at the expense of leaving a Weiss/Horton or Krejci/Seguin combo under-defended.

Bottom line is that I think a legit top 9 (preferably top 6) forward would really open things up for the Bruins and give us ridiculous depth.

Those lines you listed are incredibly deep and balanced. Adding Weiss to this team when healthy I think would make them significantly better than the 2011 team and that's saying a lot.

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Actually Weiss would be a really good fit here. Being able to roll a Kelly/Bergeron/Pevs 3rd line would be a huge advantage in the playoffs. That line could definitely score some goals while also shutting down the opposition and it would then make it even harder for other teams to match up against the B's. If that line got going offensively teams would have to possibly risk matching up against them at the expense of leaving a Weiss/Horton or Krejci/Seguin combo under-defended.

Bottom line is that I think a legit top 9 (preferably top 6) forward would really open things up for the Bruins and give us ridiculous depth.

Those lines you listed are incredibly deep and balanced. Adding Weiss to this team when healthy I think would make them significantly better than the 2011 team and that's saying a lot.
I agree with Weiss being the best option of those listed. This team desperately needs a pp specialist, someone with vision to create 2 on 1's around the net and the ability to get the puck in a shooting position with a cross ice pass. The bruins want seguin to be that guy but at this point he is not. Weiss has the ability when pressured to make a subtle play that will create chances as well as being able to thread the needle on a tight box pk. And yeah a Bergeron/Kelly/peverly line is about as shut down as it gets.

About the only issue I see with that acquisition is it doesn't quite satisfy the size and grit element that I think is still needed but some of that is aided with Lucic and Horton on seperate lines. I think Hemsky sort of fits the mold of Weiss as well though I'm not sure of his contract status.

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Great idea

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Pros: The #1 center in FLA could provide a big boost to our scoring depth. He's a good two-way player with speed, some strength and he's strong on face-offs. He doesn't have any more PP points than Iginla, but he plays more of a QB role, and being a LH shot might be a better fit with all our righties. He also has a history and chemistry with Nate Horton, so if the B's wanted, they could build a new scoring line around them, which would allow Bergeron to play a more defensive role at crunch time.

Cons: The B's don't exactly need another center. He doesn't really add any size to the group. He'll be expensive and they won't be able to re-sign him.

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I see WEISS as a poor man's Marc SAVARD. He could help the PP, has played with HORTON before and he probably won't cost as much as IGINLA, plus he has more left in the tank. My first choice would obviously be IGINLA but i'm thinking Calgary will want way more then he's worth as a rental.

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never in a bazillion years would I ever condone seeing Weiss ahead of Bergy on the depth chart.

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Bouwmeester+Iginla for Boychuk, Kelly, Subban, Knight, 2014 2nd
We don't want JayBo. Subban could be elite then you add Knight who the Bruins love. Then Boychuk and Kelly Hell No. Iginla is and different story Boston I assume would like to have him

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never in a bazillion years would I ever condone seeing Weiss ahead of Bergy on the depth chart.
nobody's saying he'd be ahead of him on the depth chart, just that he could play a role on a scoring line which would allow Bergeron to slot into a more shutdown role on the 3rd line, thus giving us 3 very dangerous lines that would be impossible to match up against. I don't think a guy being on the 2nd line necessarily means he is higher on the depth chart than a guy on the 3rd line. In 2009, Bergeron spent most of the year on the 3rd line while Krejci centered the 2nd line but I don't think at that point anyone would have claimed that Krejci was ahead of him on the depth chart.

Besides the notion of a hierarchy among the forward lines on this team is almost non-existant as Julien spreads minutes around more than any other coach. On other teams the top forwards can play upwards of 25 minutes a night, but on this team they often don't break 20.

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Actually Weiss would be a really good fit here. Being able to roll a Kelly/Bergeron/Pevs 3rd line would be a huge advantage in the playoffs. That line could definitely score some goals while also shutting down the opposition and it would then make it even harder for other teams to match up against the B's. If that line got going offensively teams would have to possibly risk matching up against them at the expense of leaving a Weiss/Horton or Krejci/Seguin combo under-defended.

Bottom line is that I think a legit top 9 (preferably top 6) forward would really open things up for the Bruins and give us ridiculous depth.

Those lines you listed are incredibly deep and balanced. Adding Weiss to this team when healthy I think would make them significantly better than the 2011 team and that's saying a lot.
Bergeron is ten times better on draws then him,No way he drops for him to third line nor to you treat a guy that has delivered for u in past like that for player not as good probably.I take Bergie over him everytime,

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Bergeron is ten times better on draws then him,No way he drops for him to third line nor to you treat a guy that has delivered for u in past like that for player not as good probably.I take Bergie over him everytime,
again, putting him on third line doesn't imply that Weiss is better than him. It's about putting players in roles that play to their strengths and pulling Bergeron off a scoring line lets him play more shutdown minutes come playoff time and create better matchups for everyone. It has nothing to do with players "deserving" a particular spot and everything to do with putting guys in roles that best help the team.

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The Bruins aren't going to get anyone at the deadline, every team has alot of cap space (sans Flyers,Wild and Canucks). Being a short season more teams are in the hunt, with every team having cap space to add guys prices at the deadline will be stupid. If Chia does anything he is shopping in the bargain bin again this year.

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I read yesterday that Chia wanted to clear some cap space for bonus money so they didn't have to add money to next years cap. So they won't use all the added space.

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why on earth do you want Bouwmeester?

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The Bruins aren't going to get anyone at the deadline, every team has alot of cap space (sans Flyers,Wild and Canucks). Being a short season more teams are in the hunt, with every team having cap space to add guys prices at the deadline will be stupid. If Chia does anything he is shopping in the bargain bin again this year.
It's true, everyone has cap space this year, but Chiarelli has been willing to pay "stupid" prices before. A 1st, 2nd and a prospect for Kaberle was WAY more than I thought he'd be willing to give up for a guy on an expiring contract.

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It's true, everyone has cap space this year, but Chiarelli has been willing to pay "stupid" prices before. A 1st, 2nd and a prospect for Kaberle was WAY more than I thought he'd be willing to give up for a guy on an expiring contract.
Especially since he was bidding against himself. I will never understand that conditional 2nd in that trade. Like a 1st and Colborne weren't enough.

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It's true, everyone has cap space this year, but Chiarelli has been willing to pay "stupid" prices before. A 1st, 2nd and a prospect for Kaberle was WAY more than I thought he'd be willing to give up for a guy on an expiring contract.
Chiarelli saw Kaberle as a top four defencemen and wanted him for a while. It didn't work out with Kaberle, but Chiarelli paid a high price for a guy he thought was a missing piece and a player he had been perusing for a while. Chiarelli wouldn’t give up a 1st, 2nd and a prospect for a guy he sees as a rental, he had every intention to re-sign Kaberle until it fell apart.

With the cap decreasing next season (I think it will go up past the 64.3m mark), Chiarelli won’t trade these assets because any player coming in is a strict rental, because if Chiarelli intends to keep a player he picks up at the deadline the team needs to be restructured. I have no doubt other GM’s will throw around such packages for rentals, but that hasn’t been Chiarelli’s thought process since he was here.

If the Bruins can stay healthy their biggest need is to improve on Chris Bourque and get an NHL defencemen for depth. Believe me, I would love a guy like Iginla or Perry at the deadline but I just don’t see the Bruins making a big splash even with the cap space.

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Chiarelli saw Kaberle as a top four defencemen and wanted him for a while. It didn't work out with Kaberle, but Chiarelli paid a high price for a guy he thought was a missing piece and a player he had been perusing for a while. Chiarelli wouldn’t give up a 1st, 2nd and a prospect for a guy he sees as a rental, he had every intention to re-sign Kaberle until it fell apart.

With the cap decreasing next season (I think it will go up past the 64.3m mark), Chiarelli won’t trade these assets because any player coming in is a strict rental, because if Chiarelli intends to keep a player he picks up at the deadline the team needs to be restructured. I have no doubt other GM’s will throw around such packages for rentals, but that hasn’t been Chiarelli’s thought process since he was here.

If the Bruins can stay healthy their biggest need is to improve on Chris Bourque and get an NHL defencemen for depth. Believe me, I would love a guy like Iginla or Perry at the deadline but I just don’t see the Bruins making a big splash even with the cap space.
Who's to say Chiarelli doesn't see a guy like Iginla as the missing piece this time around? He could see him as the new Recchi. Maybe he thinks if he can get Iginal to re-sign, he could replace Horton.

Fwiw, I actually don't want to see it happen. I think the trade deadline is fool's gold and it's one of the reasons I'm so bullish on adding players in free agency- when all they cost is money. I'd hate to lose a Spooner or a Subban AND our 1st in what is a very deep and exciting draft. But Chiarelli already had cap space and he said in his press conference that he did the Thomas deal now so that he could be in a position to make a deal. That stuck out to me because it sounded more aggressive than his normal M.O., and it reminded me of Claude Julien, who I've felt has been more aggressive/pro-active in his coaching style this year. Sending Kelly/Pervs out for draws and key defensive situations with Bergeron. That's something we don't usually see out of him until the stretch run/playoffs. They still may end up shopping at the bargain bin, but all this has got me wondering if there's more of a sense of urgency organization-wide, to go for it this year.

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Especially since he was bidding against himself. I will never understand that conditional 2nd in that trade. Like a 1st and Colborne weren't enough.
Like a 1st wasn't enough.

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Sources confirmed to Lebrun last year that the Bruins would be interested in Iginla if we was on the block. I doubt this has changed

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If and when Iginla decides he's finally ready for a change -- and on Tuesday he told Calgary media that he hasn't changed his stance on not wanting to be traded -- you can bet the defending Stanley Cup champion Boston Bruins will be among the teams sniffing that one out. The B's won't be alone, of course, but a source confirmed to ESPN.com Tuesday that the club would have some genuine interest in bringing Iginla on board should a trade possibility ever come to pass later in the season.
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I would only deal real assets for a guy like O'Reilly or Carlson... These one and done players don't interest me for the prices you have to pay.

Bruins need a top 9 forward. You should be able to get one for a prospect (not top 5) and a 2nd. I'm not giving up #1's or a top 5 prospect for Iginla, Ryder, Morrow et all.

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The only name that sticks out to me and it's been talked about before and in this thread is Iginla.

It seems like it would work perfectly for everyone involved:

- The Flames aren't going deep this season or in the forseeable future. They just aren't.
- Iginla, while loyal to his team, has to know the state his team is in and how it's unlikely they'll go deep in the playoffs
- Iginla has a NMC on his contract so if he WERE to decide to want to play for the Cup realistically, he'd only go to a Cup favorite team
- The Flames GM, if he were smart, should take as many futures as possible for Iginla and rebuild his team rather than wait out his contract and re-sign him.

With all that taken into account.. the suitor would have to have the space for Iginla and it would have to be a Cup favorite team. The suitor would also need to have decent prospects as well as the ability to throw in draft picks.

Without knowing the exact financial status of teams like the Penguins, Rangers, Lightning and Blackhawks.. I can without a doubt say that the Bruins fit this bill to an absolute T.

While Iginla is getting up there in age, I think the Boston Bruins would be the perfect fit. Because this is a team that rolls 4 lines, Iginla's TOI would most certainly be lower than in Calgary which could keep him much fresher for perhaps a few extra seasons to come should the Bruins decide to re-sign him.

I'm not a good judge of what players are worth or what draft picks are worth. (obviously draft picks are worth a little less with better teams), But I'd be willing to part with Spooner, Koko, 2013 1st, 2013 2nd and possibly Svedberg. The only reason I'd be willing to part with Spoons and Koko is that I really think our top-6 is set for years to come. I think Knight would be a perfect fit as a 3rd line winger so I'd like to keep him. At least that's my thinking here.

The price may not even be that high were the Bruins would have to give up two future top-6 players either especially if the Bruins would be one of the only teams that could afford to take Iginla (and one of the few teams Iginla might waive his NMC to go to)

EDIT - There's no doubt in my mind that Chia is at least talking with Feaster about this. Whether Iginla is in favor or if Feaster is asking way too much is obviously yet to be seen. But it honestly seems like the stars are aligning here with Thomas' contract being moved.

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Iginla would cost Spooner and a first IMO. this version of Iginla is not worth that.

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Iginla would cost Spooner and a first IMO. this version of Iginla is not worth that.
I don't know. I view him as a "put us over the top" kinda guy. The Bruins are as big a Cup threat as anybody this year. I'd pay that price for sure.

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Bruins biggest issue is the PP.

Why not Semin?

Yeah I know. He is not a Bruins type player. But he is dynamic, can score from anywhere and is definitely Better than Bourque and what Pouliot was last year.
Also, the Canes will not get a king'S ransom in return.
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I just came in here to suggest Semin, but I think he's doing a little too well right now and I'm not sure Carolina picture themselves a perennial basement team (i.e. they don't need to move things yet).

Like Ryder and now even Pouliot, Semin would be hated while here and loved once gone. In the interest of not disrupting that pattern, I hope they can make it happen.

Is Semin really a third-line guy, though? Not sure he fits there. You'd have to demote someone from the top six to the third, or give someone in the top six up (which doesn't resolve our third line problem).

Like the Kelly and Peverley deals, I expect someone totally off our radar to be acquired in an "oh, okay" kind of deal and then contribute more than we expected.

And whoever it is won't be fixing the PP. Talent isn't the problem there.

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Iginla would cost Spooner and a first IMO. this version of Iginla is not worth that.
Really? If all it cost was Spooner and a 1st I would take that any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

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Iginla would cost Spooner and a first IMO. this version of Iginla is not worth that.
If we could switch that to Knight or Koko I would do it.

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