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02-09-2013, 01:23 PM
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Draft wise, even though people seem to disagree... Mike Smith drafted better players:

1989
Stu Barnes
Kris Draper
Dan Bylsma
Evgeny Davydov

1990
Keith Tkachuk
Alexei Zhamnov

1991
Aaron Ward
Igor Ulanov

1992
Boris Mironov
Nikolai Khabibulin

1993
Mats Lindgren
Michal Grosek

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IIRC, Don Waddell's five-year plan started in 2004.

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02-10-2013, 03:44 AM
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Draft wise, even though people seem to disagree... Mike Smith drafted better players:
Hawerchuk, Teemu, Steen, Ellett, Babych, Mullen, Essensa, Numminen and Dave Christian aren't too shabby.

And I don't get the looking who the GM missed game. You don't think Smith missed good players?

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No way in hell Selanne does what he does in his rookie season without Housely.

The forward depth and defensive layout of the team screamed for an offensive defenseman.

Housely + Tkachuk >>> Hawerchuk and when you consider organizational needs it was a slam dunk
The Jets already had three offensive defensemen when they traded for Housley. It really wasn't a need. IF they had turned around and traded one of the other three then it might have made sense. As it was, they got off to a terrible start, partly due to lack of scoring depth upfront and ended up trading away Ellett and Fenton for Osborne and Olcyzk.

Sure, Selanne wouldn't have broken those records with all those outlet passes Phil gave, but I doubt Smith had visions of that 3 seasons prior.

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Hawerchuk and Mike Smith apparently had a bad falling out, not to be out done as well, Housley had a bad falling out with Smith.

That whole 1993-1994 season was probably the most horrendous season I can recall, Selanne had a sophomore slump and gets injured half way through the season, Bob Essensa gets traded to Detroit for Tim Cheveldae, we lose 50+ games, Stu Barnes gets traded for Randy Gilhen, blah..such a mess.

One of the few bright spots was Keith Tkachuk's 40 goal season, finally breaking out to his power forward routine.
I remember Hawerchuk saying the Jets 1.0 was like a big family that was very community oriented and the players and their families did many things together. A tight-knit group as it were when Fergie was here. Apparently that feeling began to dissipate once Smith took over.

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Hawerchuk, Teemu, Steen, Ellett, Babych, Mullen, Essensa, Numminen and Dave Christian aren't too shabby.

And I don't get the looking who the GM missed game. You don't think Smith missed good players?
Ferguson was handed Hawerchuk on a platter, Babych was also given to him. The rest were great draft choices. Sadly Christian and Mullen he dealt after 1 good year with the Jets for lesser talent.

Who Mike Smith passed over:

1989
Stu Barnes over Bill Guerin (good pick over a great pick)

1990
Keith Tkachuk over Martin Brodeur (great pick over HOF pick)

1991
Aaron Ward over Peter Forsberg (okay pick over HOF pick)

1992
Sergei Bautin over Jason Smith (bad pick over okay pick)

1993
Mats Lindgren over Nick Studajar (okay pick over FLOP)

In all cases except 1993, Mike Smith could have taken a better player who went next. The thing is, Barnes/Tkachuk were above average selections for the 1st round and after Guerin and Brodeur the pickings got slim and a few players had equal seasons.

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