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02-09-2013, 02:55 PM
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Alexander Burmistrov would look good here in Chicago
Hes played great so far this season doubt the Jets would be willing to give him up for anything less than another young center.

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Antropov plays an up-tempo game?

As for the OP, Chicago passes.
Way to cherry pick the one thing that doesn't quite fit. He fits your other criteria perfectly. If you are dead-set on getting a fast, smart, defensively responsible, offensively capable player that can play 3C or 2C in a pinch, then I guess Antro is not your guy because of the foot speed.

Good luck filling that hole by the way. Those guys grow on trees and can easily be had for picks and depth prospects.

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Sounds like the Hawks might be in the market for Antro at the deadline if the Jets are out of it, especially given the history with Chevy and the Hawks. I think Antro would be a huge pick-up for the right contending team.
Is he good on FO's?

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02-09-2013, 03:17 PM
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Ron Hainsey would probably fit really well as Chicago would need someone back to fill Hjalmarsson's shoes AND get an upgrade in their top 9 for their troubles. Hainsey is no beast offensively, but for a defensive defenseman his offense given his role on a contender is what I'd call acceptable.

That said, we can't afford to give up Burmistrov. So unless they were interested in Antropov and Hainsey both I cant see any deal working for Hjarmalsson. Winnipeg would probably need to add on top of that with both being UFA. Especially if he's playing on a contender where above average becomes necessary in the post-season.

Not to mention we have both CHI's 2nd and 3rd (right?) so trading us their 1st and only top 100 pick left (in lieu of Hjarmander) in a deep as **** draft for two impending UFA's could be pretty costly as well.

I don't know Olsen's scouting report besides that he's a second tier LD prospect, but would a straight up Redmond/Postma swap with Olsen work?

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02-09-2013, 03:22 PM
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Is he good on FO's?
51% on 78 draws. Has good vision, could do well with Sharp/?? on 2nd PP perhaps. Plays PK as well, though he's about average. He's definitely what you would call slow though lol

Ponikarovsky could also potentially be available, but he's been pretty reliable as the 3rd line puck posession style LW. It'd probably have to be worth it for the Jets to trade him


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51% on 78 draws. Has good vision, could do well with Sharp/?? on 2nd PP perhaps. Plays PK as well, though he's about average. He's definitely what you would call slow though lol
Is he physical? Can he, for example, stand in front of the net on the PP with success?

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Ron Hainsey would probably fit really well as Chicago would need someone back to fill Hjalmarsson's shoes AND get an upgrade in their top 9 for their troubles. Hainsey is no beast offensively, but for a defensive defenseman his offense given his role on a contender is what I'd call acceptable.

That said, we can't afford to give up Burmistrov. So unless they were interested in Antropov and Hainsey both I cant see any deal working for Hjarmalsson. Winnipeg would probably need to add on top of that with both being UFA. Especially if he's playing on a contender where above average becomes necessary in the post-season.

Not to mention we have both CHI's 2nd and 3rd (right?) so trading us their 1st and only top 100 pick left (in lieu of Hjarmander) in a deep as **** draft for two impending UFA's could be pretty costly as well.

I don't know Olsen's scouting report besides that he's a second tier LD prospect, but would a straight up Redmond/Postma swap with Olsen work?

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Redmond

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Don't want to give up the 1st for reasons you mentioned. Also don't really need Hainsey. Also, Olsen is a borderline bust at this point...

Getting Antropov at the deadline for a mid-prospect wouldn't be the worst idea though.

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02-09-2013, 03:32 PM
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Is he physical? Can he, for example, stand in front of the net on the PP with success?



Don't want to give up the 1st for reasons you mentioned. Also don't really need Hainsey. Also, Olsen is a borderline bust at this point...

Getting Antropov at the deadline for a mid-prospect wouldn't be the worst idea though.
Was hoping only having to trade down 5-15 spots in the draft would ease the sting of the 1st.

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Is he physical? Can he, for example, stand in front of the net on the PP with success?
He's kind of a poor man's Sedin in that he's pass first, has good vision but is pretty slow. Can stand in front of the net and battle well, he just won't dish it out on the forecheck or the corners. Good at taking it though.

Does CH like Sedin-esque players... lol

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He's kind of a poor man's Sedin in that he's pass first, has good vision but is pretty slow. Can stand in front of the net and battle well, he just won't dish it out on the forecheck or the corners. Good at taking it though.

Does CH like Sedin-esque players... lol
He plays extremely physical with the puck and in front of the net, but he's less physical without the puck, hedging on the defensive side of the puck.

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If the Hurricanes are sellers at/near the deadline:

C Jussi Jokinen (3.0M, 13/14 UFA) + W Chad LaRose (1.7M UFA)

D Stephen Johns (7.0C, 60th 2010) + W Michael Frolik (2.3M, 13/14 RFA) + 2013 4th Round Pick

Jokinen is at 58.8% on 153 draws while centering the third line. Offense has been slow this year but he has been a 50 point player when given top 6 minutes. Clearly a depth player in Chicago so peg him at 35-40 points on the third line with 2nd powerplay time. LaRose goes the other way to balance cap hit and Frolik coming back. LaRose for forward depth /hardworking heart and soul player in playoffs. Both players are effective on the penalty kill.

Canes get solid defensive prospect, NHL 3rd liner in between LaRose and Jokinen in skill (and reunites Tlusty and Frolik), and 4th to replace the one they gave away in Westgarth trade.


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02-09-2013, 08:07 PM
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Way to cherry pick the one thing that doesn't quite fit. He fits your other criteria perfectly. If you are dead-set on getting a fast, smart, defensively responsible, offensively capable player that can play 3C or 2C in a pinch, then I guess Antro is not your guy because of the foot speed.

Good luck filling that hole by the way. Those guys grow on trees and can easily be had for picks and depth prospects.
Antropov is too slow and honestly more of a fit on wing.. Not solution to Hawks needs (Also he may be doing ok this year at faceoffs but overall he is inconsistant thru his career at dot)

Hawks are team built on speed ,, Antro is simply not a fit

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If the Hurricanes are sellers at/near the deadline:

C Jussi Jokinen (3.0M, 13/14 UFA) + W Chad LaRose (1.7M UFA)

D Stephen Johns (7.0C, 60th 2010) + W Michael Frolik (2.3M, 13/14 RFA) + 2013 4th Round Pick

Jokinen is at 58.8% on 153 draws while centering the third line. Offense has been slow this year but he has been a 50 point player when given top 6 minutes. Clearly a depth player in Chicago so peg him at 35-40 points on the third line with 2nd powerplay time. LaRose goes the other way to balance cap hit and Frolik coming back. LaRose for forward depth /hardworking heart and soul player in playoffs. Both players are effective on the penalty kill.

Canes get solid defensive prospect, NHL 3rd liner in between LaRose and Jokinen in skill (and reunites Tlusty and Frolik), and 4th to replace the one they gave away in Westgarth trade.
Jokinen not really type of guy Hawks are looking for.. Would want a more consistant guy IMO and not a winger moved to center

Would be looking for natural center

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Swap Redmond with Postma, and I'm okay with it. Redmond is looking like another one of Trader Don's sleepers, to go along with Enstrom, Nurminen, Exelby, etc.

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Leddy + Pirri/Kruger/Shaw
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Jokinen not really type of guy Hawks are looking for.. Would want a more consistant guy IMO and not a winger moved to center

Would be looking for natural center
09/10 51.3%, 265 taken - not used primarily as center, most draws on PP/PK
10/11 52.8%, 320 taken - not used primarily as center, most draws on PP/PK
11/12 55.1%, 833 taken - played majority of year as 2C between Skinner/Ruutu
12/13 58.8%, 153 taken - playing 3C between LaRose/Bowman


.........................................TOT....PP ....SH
09/10 81-30-35-65 +3 TOI: 16:48 / 3:22 / 0:16
10/11 70-19-33-52 +3 TOI: 17:13 / 3:28 / 1:22
11/12 79-12-34-46 -2 TOI: 17:23 / 2:49 / 1:17
12/13 10-0-0-0......-4 TOI: 16:20 / 2:57 / 1:48

Third line center that is consistently above .500 on draws, can contribute on both PP/PK, and has a reasonable +/- on a defensively poor team. Goal scoring has gone down every year but has consistently put up 30 assists.

I don't mean to beat a dead horse but who cares if he's not a natural center when he clearly has face off talent. Pointless in 10 games to begin this season is out of character for him but the entire bottom 6 in Carolina hasn't been contributing. Guy is still a threat in the SO as well.

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Never happening
As a JETS fan, I hope not as well. Rather keep Burmistrov who is finally displaying his skill. He seems that much more engaged and willing to carry the puck and make things happen in the offensive zone. His defensive ability has never been questioned.

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If the Hurricanes are sellers at/near the deadline:

C Jussi Jokinen (3.0M, 13/14 UFA) + W Chad LaRose (1.7M UFA)

D Stephen Johns (7.0C, 60th 2010) + W Michael Frolik (2.3M, 13/14 RFA) + 2013 4th Round Pick

Jokinen is at 58.8% on 153 draws while centering the third line. Offense has been slow this year but he has been a 50 point player when given top 6 minutes. Clearly a depth player in Chicago so peg him at 35-40 points on the third line with 2nd powerplay time. LaRose goes the other way to balance cap hit and Frolik coming back. LaRose for forward depth /hardworking heart and soul player in playoffs. Both players are effective on the penalty kill.

Canes get solid defensive prospect, NHL 3rd liner in between LaRose and Jokinen in skill (and reunites Tlusty and Frolik), and 4th to replace the one they gave away in Westgarth trade.
That's a really tough trade to turn down, from a Hawks POV. If Jokinen is actually a centre, I'd probably pull the trigger. I'd rather give up Olsen than Johns though.

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Antropov for Chicago's 2014 2nd + 3rd? Let's make this a regular thing.

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If the Hurricanes are sellers at/near the deadline:

C Jussi Jokinen (3.0M, 13/14 UFA) + W Chad LaRose (1.7M UFA)

D Stephen Johns (7.0C, 60th 2010) + W Michael Frolik (2.3M, 13/14 RFA) + 2013 4th Round Pick

Jokinen is at 58.8% on 153 draws while centering the third line. Offense has been slow this year but he has been a 50 point player when given top 6 minutes. Clearly a depth player in Chicago so peg him at 35-40 points on the third line with 2nd powerplay time. LaRose goes the other way to balance cap hit and Frolik coming back. LaRose for forward depth /hardworking heart and soul player in playoffs. Both players are effective on the penalty kill.

Canes get solid defensive prospect, NHL 3rd liner in between LaRose and Jokinen in skill (and reunites Tlusty and Frolik), and 4th to replace the one they gave away in Westgarth trade.
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09/10 51.3%, 265 taken - not used primarily as center, most draws on PP/PK
10/11 52.8%, 320 taken - not used primarily as center, most draws on PP/PK
11/12 55.1%, 833 taken - played majority of year as 2C between Skinner/Ruutu
12/13 58.8%, 153 taken - playing 3C between LaRose/Bowman


.........................................TOT....PP ....SH
09/10 81-30-35-65 +3 TOI: 16:48 / 3:22 / 0:16
10/11 70-19-33-52 +3 TOI: 17:13 / 3:28 / 1:22
11/12 79-12-34-46 -2 TOI: 17:23 / 2:49 / 1:17
12/13 10-0-0-0......-4 TOI: 16:20 / 2:57 / 1:48

Third line center that is consistently above .500 on draws, can contribute on both PP/PK, and has a reasonable +/- on a defensively poor team. Goal scoring has gone down every year but has consistently put up 30 assists.

I don't mean to beat a dead horse but who cares if he's not a natural center when he clearly has face off talent. Pointless in 10 games to begin this season is out of character for him but the entire bottom 6 in Carolina hasn't been contributing. Guy is still a threat in the SO as well.
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That's a really tough trade to turn down, from a Hawks POV. If Jokinen is actually a centre, I'd probably pull the trigger. I'd rather give up Olsen than Johns though.
Agree with HTB. Olsen is closer to the NHL, and Johns seems more like what the Hawks need down the road. If the Canes need a right handed higher scoring PMD, Clendening coud be had. Right now he's a little redundant (aside from being right handed), with Keith and Leddy, as well as Oduya on the team. He also has more value perhaps than either other defenseman, and the Hawks would be able to keep their 4th round pick.


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What would Chicago want for Dylan Olsen? Winnipeg could sure use a lefty defenseman.
I am assuming not much he is a slow skating, minus machine!

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Burmistrov would be great for the Hawks, I see no chance to get him.

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Agree with HTB. Olsen is closer to the NHL, and Johns seems more like what the Hawks need down the road. If the Canes need a right handed higher scoring PMD, Clendening coud be had. Right now he's a little redundant (aside from being right handed), with Keith and Leddy, as well as Oduya on the team. He also has more value perhaps than either other defenseman, and the Hawks would be able to keep their 4th round pick.
Sadly the Canes are icing 4 PMD on a nightly basis with another scratched and Ryan Murphy waiting in juniors. I think every team could use a player like Johns in their pipeline.

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Short answer: No.
Long answer: After careful deliberation, I would rather not trade our best-playing defenseman for a player I've never heard of and a draft pick.

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