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Best Canucks goalies of all time: #1

View Poll Results: Best Canucks goalie of all time
Richard Brodeur 3 1.74%
Dan Cloutier 1 0.58%
Glen Hanlon 0 0%
Roberto Luongo 148 86.05%
Kirk McLean 19 11.05%
Gary Smith 0 0%
Other 1 0.58%
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02-09-2013, 06:50 PM
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Martin Brochu. All he needed was a few more games to show why.

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We know this much - three of those goalies were good enough to get us into the finals - any ranking of those three should also acknowledge that they were all good enough to win it all, in slightly different circumstances.
The '82 team caught some lucky breaks to get to the finals. They should have faced and been beaten by the Oilers. I still picked Brodeur. That playoffs was my favourite memory as a Canucks fan, followed by '94. I'd rather forget '11 altogether.

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Bingo Bango Bongo his name is Roberto Luongo.

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Luongo, easily.

McLean had the 94 run, in which he got red hot and put up a .928 but other than that playoff run he was a fairly average and sometimes mediocre goaltender. His best save % in a season was .904, and only cracked .900 3 out of 14 seasons. The only other playoffs that he was above .900 was '92, with a .909. Of course, when most people think of McLean, they think of that '94 run, not the rest of his career.

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Luongo, easily.

McLean had the 94 run, in which he got red hot and put up a .928 but other than that playoff run he was a fairly average and sometimes mediocre goaltender. His best save % in a season was .904, and only cracked .900 3 out of 14 seasons. The only other playoffs that he was above .900 was '92, with a .909. Of course, when most people think of McLean, they think of that '94 run, not the rest of his career.
You're looking at the numbers from a different era. Those save % were very good compared to his contemporaries.

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You're looking at the numbers from a different era. Those save % were very good compared to his contemporaries.
Patrick Roy was regularly above .900 in that era, and had a .918 during that 93-94 season. .900 then would be like .910 or .915 today. Maclean never put up stats that would include him in the group of elite goaltenders of his time. Yes, his stats during the '94 run were impressive, but he didn't sustain a high level of play over most of his career.

Luongo and Martin Brodeur however have consistently put up elite level stats over the past decade, and in Brodeur's case only dropping below .910 in the past couple of seasons. Luongo's only season below .913 was his rookie year.

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It's definitely true you can't compare numbers straight across eras. Here's how they compare in terms of sv% rankings leaguewide among goalies with 35+ GP in their years as starters:

McLean:

87-88: 19th
88-89: 6th
89-90: 18th
90-91: 26th
91-92: 5th
92-93: 16th
93-94: 25th
94-95: 11th
95-96: 34th
96-97: 31st


Luongo:

00-01: 7th
01-02: 10th
02-03: 9th
03-04: 3rd
05-06: 9th
06-07: 4th
07-08: 13th
08-09: 4th
09-10: 16th
10-11: 3rd
11-12: 12th


McLean finished in the top 15 in sv% 3 times in his 10 year career as a starter; Luongo has done it 10 of 11 years with the only exception being 09-10 where he had to recover from a brutal injury and still ended up in 16th. McLean was also pretty much out of the league by the time he was Luongo's age.

In my mind there really isn't even a comparison, though I tend to base my opinions on players' larger bodies of work as opposed to focusing on the playoffs.

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02-09-2013, 08:00 PM
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It's definitely true you can't compare numbers straight across eras. Here's how they compare in terms of sv% rankings leaguewide among goalies with 35+ GP in their years as starters:

McLean:

87-88: 19th
88-89: 6th
89-90: 18th
90-91: 26th
91-92: 5th
92-93: 16th
93-94: 25th
94-95: 11th
95-96: 34th
96-97: 31st


Luongo:

00-01: 7th
01-02: 10th
02-03: 9th
03-04: 3rd
05-06: 9th
06-07: 4th
07-08: 13th
08-09: 4th
09-10: 16th
10-11: 3rd
11-12: 12th


McLean finished in the top 15 in sv% 3 times in his 10 year career as a starter; Luongo has done it 10 of 11 years with the only exception being 09-10 where he had to recover from a brutal injury and still ended up in 16th. McLean was also pretty much out of the league by the time he was Luongo's age.

In my mind there really isn't even a comparison, though I tend to base my opinions on players' larger bodies of work as opposed to focusing on the playoffs.
Thanks for posting this. Also add that in the first half of McLean's career there were only 21 teams and that crept up to what 26, 27 by the time he finished. For Luongo it's always been 30 so that also makes his numbers stand out a little more by comparison.

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It should be what is the Canucks best goalie of all time except Luongo.

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Thanks for posting this. Also add that in the first half of McLean's career there were only 21 teams and that crept up to what 26, 27 by the time he finished. For Luongo it's always been 30 so that also makes his numbers stand out a little more by comparison.
Definitely true. Here are the same numbers including the number of guys who played 35+ games in those years:

McLean:

87-88: 19th (of 25)
88-89: 6th (of 30)
89-90: 18th (of 28)
90-91: 26th (of 27)
91-92: 5th (of 23)
92-93: 16th (of 29)
93-94: 25th (of 31)
94-95: 11th (of 19)
95-96: 34th (of 34)
96-97: 31st (of 33)


He was only in the top half twice. Luongo has been in the top half every single year of his career.

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Patrick Roy was regularly above .900 in that era, and had a .918 during that 93-94 season. .900 then would be like .910 or .915 today. Maclean never put up stats that would include him in the group of elite goaltenders of his time. Yes, his stats during the '94 run were impressive, but he didn't sustain a high level of play over most of his career.

Luongo and Martin Brodeur however have consistently put up elite level stats over the past decade, and in Brodeur's case only dropping below .910 in the past couple of seasons. Luongo's only season below .913 was his rookie year.
McLean was never elite. He was on that second tier at his time. Technically sound and steady. It's ironic that his most famous save was one where he was so out of position to make.

In any case, I'm sticking with my choice of Brodeur in this poll.

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Pure goaltending or goaltening relative to the era in which they were playing?

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Danny Sabourin, or Peter Skudra.

But Luongo over McLean by a very close margin

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Pure goaltending or goaltening relative to the era in which they were playing?
If you took Luongo back in a time machine to Maclean's era, he would probably put up Patrick Roy numbers or better. The skaters of the modern era are bigger, faster, and better conditioned. Bigger money has turned athlete conditioning into a science. His D would have been worse, but he wouldn't have been challenged as much. Modern goaltending, using butterfly style is much better than the stand-up style that was prevalent in the late 80's early 90's.

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If you took Luongo back in a time machine to Maclean's era, he would probably put up Patrick Roy numbers or better. The skaters of the modern era are bigger, faster, and better conditioned. Bigger money has turned athlete conditioning into a science. His D would have been worse, but he wouldn't have been challenged as much. Modern goaltending, using butterfly style is much better than the stand-up style that was prevalent in the late 80's early 90's.
That's why we shouldn't compare eras. If we took the average physics major and took him back a few hundred years, no one would remember Isaac Newton. Each generation builds upon the previous. This includes sports.

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Luongo. Kirk is the only other option that remotely makes sense.

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Luongo AINEC seriously people need to forget 94 and move on.
I voted Luongo but your post is absurd. Those who experienced '94 are not able to forget it. You clearly weren't with us for the ride.

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I voted Luongo but your post is absurd. Those who experienced '94 are not able to forget it. You clearly weren't with us for the ride.
Was there for 94 and 82. Luongo is still the best goalie the Canucks have ever had. McLean and Brodeur had their moments, but Lu's still the man. Easily.

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it'll be much more interesting when we're arguing steve weeks vs. troy gamble

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for the record,

mclean: 2nd and 3rd in vezina; 4th in hart; won 6/11 playoff rounds started (was backup to gamble one year)

luongo: 2nd, 3rd, 4th in vezina; 2nd in hart; won 6/11 playoff rounds started (lost the starting job to schneider last year)


i voted luongo, but let's not pretend this isn't close.

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Schneider should be added on the next list.

Edit: Oh and Lu is #1

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Luongo gets such a bad ride within our fan group. If he wasn't so good and fans didn't/don't expect him to save every shot then he would go down as the greatest player we've ever had. Not only is he the best goalie we've ever had but one of the better goalies to ever play in the NHL. No other Canucks goalie can say that.

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By far Roberto Luongo. Stats alone just blows everyone out of the water.

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