HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Western Conference > Central Division > Colorado Avalanche
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Райан О'Рейли: In Soviet Ontario Offer Sheets Sign You; Rayan's 3rd Thread

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
02-09-2013, 06:14 PM
  #776
volaju
Registered User
 
volaju's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 953
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Muffin View Post
So according to reports he basically(May not be true):

Hates Duchene for taking less money
Hates Landeskog for getting Captaincy over him
Hates Stastny for getting overpaid and getting better treatment

How does he even walk back into the room even if he does get signed?
Do you actually believe these are things O'Reilly himself believes?

These are clearly ideas that have been thought up here by fans who think they can look at a few events and make some kind of logical explanation as to why O'Reilly is holding out. People have repeated these paranoid fantasies to the point that hacks like Dater pick them up and repeat them as "things he's heard around the league," and the echo chamber eats it up and posts it back here like it's further confirmation that it's true.

I don't mean this as an attack on you, I'm just saying that people are pretty quick to jump to conclusions right now. Hell, in this very thread, I saw TPS post a personal opinion of his and a bunch of posters automatically attributed TPS' personal opinion to O'Reilly and vilified him for it. People aren't thinking rationally here. Try to question what you read.

Quote:
Everything is ancillary to winning. Bad press only matters with bad teams.
But .. the Avs aren't winning? And it's going to be really hard to win when you can't attract star free agent talent (or retain your own, apparently) if bad press keeps leaking that the Avalanche organization is a mess that treats its players without respect.

But yeah, the bad press isn't really a problem, rather than a symptom of the problem.

volaju is offline  
Old
02-09-2013, 06:15 PM
  #777
Huis Clos*
Creamy Hamstrings
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Ballarado
Country: United States
Posts: 6,020
vCash: 500
If they aren't going to sign him they need to trade him sooner rather than later. As funny as it would be to see O'Reilly lose a year of playing time and development in his young career putting a gun to management's head it probably doesn't help the return value in a trade.

Huis Clos* is offline  
Old
02-09-2013, 06:17 PM
  #778
Huis Clos*
Creamy Hamstrings
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Ballarado
Country: United States
Posts: 6,020
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by volaju View Post
But .. the Avs aren't winning? And it's going to be really hard to win when you can't attract star free agent talent (or retain your own, apparently) if bad press keeps leaking that the Avalanche organization is a mess that treats its players without respect.

But yeah, the bad press isn't really a problem, rather than a symptom of the problem.
Jones stuck around even though he could have most likely had the same contract or more somewhere else. Parenteau didn't hesitate signing here. Money talks, ******** walks.

Huis Clos* is offline  
Old
02-09-2013, 06:18 PM
  #779
Bonzai12
Registered User
 
Bonzai12's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Denver CO
Country: United States
Posts: 7,048
vCash: 500
Send a message via Yahoo to Bonzai12
This whole thread is full of unsubstantiated rumors of personal attacks, feelings, and emotions. ROR feels this way! No, he's jealous Jones bought his wife a shot. No wait, Dater said Sacco's kid is Stastny's nephew!


Bonzai12 is offline  
Old
02-09-2013, 06:18 PM
  #780
Duchene2MacKinnon
71****70
 
Duchene2MacKinnon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Country: Canada
Posts: 14,941
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by hek View Post
Take it up with Dater then.
Dater said people around O'Reilly are blaming Duchene. TPS was the one that made the remark about Stastny and he doesn't speak for Ryan. The captaincy issue is baseless speculation. People need to stop assuming crap about this kid, that has given everything to the avs everytime he suits up.

Duchene2MacKinnon is offline  
Old
02-09-2013, 06:19 PM
  #781
Huis Clos*
Creamy Hamstrings
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Ballarado
Country: United States
Posts: 6,020
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronaldo View Post
Dater said people around O'Reilly are blaming Duchene. TPS was the one that made the remark about Stastny and he doesn't speak for Ryan. The captaincy issue is baseless speculation. People need to stop assuming crap about this kid, that has given everything to the avs everytime he suits up.
Mistake or intentional?

Huis Clos* is offline  
Old
02-09-2013, 06:35 PM
  #782
CB Joe
Registered User
 
CB Joe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,507
vCash: 500
"Plenty of people around O’Reilly ( *cough* O'Reilly's agency *cough) are blaming Duchene for taking “short money” on a two-year deal, which effectively set the bar for O’Reilly, one the Avs won’t go over."

Pretty much my take on the whole thing.

CB Joe is offline  
Old
02-09-2013, 06:36 PM
  #783
Duchene2MacKinnon
71****70
 
Duchene2MacKinnon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Country: Canada
Posts: 14,941
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by hek View Post
Mistake or intentional?
Pardon?

Duchene2MacKinnon is offline  
Old
02-09-2013, 06:37 PM
  #784
Avs_19
Peter the Great
 
Avs_19's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Edmonton
Country: Canada
Posts: 38,306
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by hek View Post
If they aren't going to sign him they need to trade him sooner rather than later. As funny as it would be to see O'Reilly lose a year of playing time and development in his young career putting a gun to management's head it probably doesn't help the return value in a trade.
You and Drij seem very bitter.

Avs_19 is offline  
Old
02-09-2013, 06:45 PM
  #785
Freudian
No Guenin, No cry
 
Freudian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Country: Sweden
Posts: 31,006
vCash: 116
Personally I hope Avs to make clear that a trade is not an option, that they will match any offer sheet and the next time he plays a NHL game he'll be wearing an Avs jersey or be 27 years old.

Avs have done nothing wrong here and I see no reason they should let the player dictate what is happening. Enough is enough. He can go play in Russia or sit in Ontario if he wants. Being offered the money he is being offered isn't an insult, nor is telling him that the team is unsure about how sustainable last year was an insult so grave that he can't get over it.

I mean this in the nicest possible way: Ryan O'Reilly needs a reality check.

Freudian is offline  
Old
02-09-2013, 06:51 PM
  #786
IceRat
#BallsOnTheTable
 
IceRat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,280
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Freudian View Post

I mean this in the nicest possible way: Ryan O'Reilly needs a reality check.
yeah but he wants a super duper paycheck

IceRat is offline  
Old
02-09-2013, 06:55 PM
  #787
Duchene2MacKinnon
71****70
 
Duchene2MacKinnon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Country: Canada
Posts: 14,941
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Freudian View Post
Personally I hope Avs to make clear that a trade is not an option, that they will match any offer sheet and the next time he plays a NHL game he'll be wearing an Avs jersey or be 27 years old.

Avs have done nothing wrong here and I see no reason they should let the player dictate what is happening. Enough is enough. He can go play in Russia or sit in Ontario if he wants. Being offered the money he is being offered isn't an insult, nor is telling him that the team is unsure about how sustainable last year was an insult so grave that he can't get over it.

I mean this in the nicest possible way: Ryan O'Reilly needs a reality check.
No team will ever do that, he'll get traded in the offseason if he doesn't sign a contract by the end of the season. Ryan hasn't done anything wrong as well, what he's doing is nothing new. In the end I think he gets what he wants.

Duchene2MacKinnon is offline  
Old
02-09-2013, 06:56 PM
  #788
TwoPadStack
Gross Misconduct
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,353
vCash: 900
Quote:
Originally Posted by Freudian View Post
Personally I hope Avs to make clear that a trade is not an option, that they will match any offer sheet and the next time he plays a NHL game he'll be wearing an Avs jersey or be 27 years old.
The team has no interest in trading him(assumption based on his agent not being asked for potential contract terms to any other team) and would match almost any offer sheet(and he's not signing an offer sheet).

We all need to be patient. This is a lost season for the organization, whether we like it or not.

TwoPadStack is offline  
Old
02-09-2013, 06:57 PM
  #789
Drij
Registered User
 
Drij's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,777
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by IceRat View Post
yeah but he wants a super duper paycheck
as the song goes..."you can't always get what you want"

Drij is offline  
Old
02-09-2013, 07:16 PM
  #790
Foppa2118
Registered User
 
Foppa2118's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: 22 Acacia Avenue
Country: United States
Posts: 20,384
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by TwoPadStack View Post
The team has no interest in trading him(assumption based on his agent not being asked for potential contract terms to any other team) and would match almost any offer sheet(and he's not signing an offer sheet).

We all need to be patient. This is a lost season for the organization, whether we like it or not.
If he doesn't want to be traded (which I believe you alluded to before) and he won't sign an offer sheet, then how is he expecting this situation to resolve itself? What exactly is he expecting to change? Is he expecting the Avs offer to change during the summer? Why would it at this point?

Foppa2118 is offline  
Old
02-09-2013, 07:49 PM
  #791
Lonewolfe2015
Registered User
 
Lonewolfe2015's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Country: United States
Posts: 11,917
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by TwoPadStack View Post
The team has no interest in trading him(assumption based on his agent not being asked for potential contract terms to any other team) and would match almost any offer sheet(and he's not signing an offer sheet).

We all need to be patient. This is a lost season for the organization, whether we like it or not.
I'm going to assume he will sign in the offseason at this rate, probably for a year deal and around the same price as Duchene, maybe 3.75. We'll aggressively consider moving Stastny and instantly regret losing him as he tears it up with a new team.

We'll have Barkov or Drouin on the team to start the season and a UFA defender will sign for 3 years after we trade SOB and let ROB go.

Lonewolfe2015 is offline  
Old
02-09-2013, 08:43 PM
  #792
ABasin
SelkeCaliber Defense
 
ABasin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 6,119
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by volaju View Post
Do you actually believe these are things O'Reilly himself believes?

These are clearly ideas that have been thought up here by fans who think they can look at a few events and make some kind of logical explanation as to why O'Reilly is holding out. People have repeated these paranoid fantasies to the point that hacks like Dater pick them up and repeat them as "things he's heard around the league," and the echo chamber eats it up and posts it back here like it's further confirmation that it's true.

I don't mean this as an attack on you, I'm just saying that people are pretty quick to jump to conclusions right now. Hell, in this very thread, I saw TPS post a personal opinion of his and a bunch of posters automatically attributed TPS' personal opinion to O'Reilly and vilified him for it. People aren't thinking rationally here. Try to question what you read.



But .. the Avs aren't winning? And it's going to be really hard to win when you can't attract star free agent talent (or retain your own, apparently) if bad press keeps leaking that the Avalanche organization is a mess that treats its players without respect.

But yeah, the bad press isn't really a problem, rather than a symptom of the problem.
What a fantastic set of posts by you in the last day or so, dude. Very well done.

ABasin is offline  
Old
02-09-2013, 09:13 PM
  #793
Bonzai12
Registered User
 
Bonzai12's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Denver CO
Country: United States
Posts: 7,048
vCash: 500
Send a message via Yahoo to Bonzai12
How O'Reilly feels about anyone in the organization, and how they feel about him is really a moot point.

I don't understand why people think it's going to have some sort of effect. It's a multi-billion dollar business. As in all boardrooms or organizations, there is always dissention. It's inevitable. There's stories of the Broncos coaches telling each other to ********* off and they were going to quit in the middle of Super Bowl years. You've got lots of money, lots of egos, and lots of aggressive athletes in the same building. It's never going to be Little House on the Prairie.

Bonzai12 is offline  
Old
02-09-2013, 09:19 PM
  #794
Av-merican
@Av_merican
 
Av-merican's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: The Frozen Wasteland
Country: Scotland
Posts: 11,498
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lonewolfe2015 View Post
I'm going to assume he will sign in the offseason at this rate, probably for a year deal and around the same price as Duchene, maybe 3.75. We'll aggressively consider moving Stastny and instantly regret losing him as he tears it up with a new team.

We'll have Barkov or Drouin on the team to start the season and a UFA defender will sign for 3 years after we trade SOB and let ROB go.
I imagine the Avs will move heaven and earth to avoid a one-year contract. He's up for arbitration right after the end of that contract, leading to more headaches and ugliness for everyone.

Av-merican is offline  
Old
02-09-2013, 09:40 PM
  #795
Colorado Sports Fan
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Denver, Colorado
Country: United States
Posts: 5,424
vCash: 500
The hyperbole around ROR is just amazing at this point from both directions. he s either a godly young center or a self centered ass. Has anyone even considered that last year might really just be an aberration? Or does that just not factor in? I still expect to see him get traded Drury style in the offseason.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lonewolfe2015 View Post
We'll aggressively consider moving Stastny and instantly regret losing him as he tears it up with a new team.
Us Stastny defenders will be disappointed and be even bigger ***** about "good" Stastny than Dater is about all the ex-Avs like Shattenkirk, Anderson, etc.. Stastny haters will just harumph and complain "well...why didn't he do that when he was here". It was nice to hear Frei and Clough sticking up for him on the Fan late this afternoon, while calling most Stastny haters idiots, comparing him to Andre Igoudala of the Nuggets and conceding he s overpaid.

I'm almost curious to see him get traded just to see who everyone blames for everything that goes wrong.

Colorado Sports Fan is offline  
Old
02-09-2013, 09:50 PM
  #796
Huis Clos*
Creamy Hamstrings
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Ballarado
Country: United States
Posts: 6,020
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Avs_19 View Post
You and Drij seem very bitter.
Bitter? Absolutely not. I truly find it funny when professional athletes squabble over money. Especially over a contract that would pay him millions. And he's willing to lose a year of his career over it. Careers that are often quite short. Kid is nuts.

Huis Clos* is offline  
Old
02-09-2013, 10:23 PM
  #797
Kschey
Avs/BorussiaDortmund
 
Kschey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Country: Poland
Posts: 3,043
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by hek View Post
Bitter? Absolutely not. I truly find it funny when professional athletes squabble over money. Especially over a contract that would pay him millions. And he's willing to lose a year of his career over it. Careers that are often quite short. Kid is nuts.
By the way, O'Reilly is not being paid any salary at this point, is he?
So if he really decides to play it hard for a whole year, he loses 3,5 million $ (as this seems to be what the avs offered)?

Kschey is offline  
Old
02-09-2013, 10:51 PM
  #798
CobraAcesS
Registered User
 
CobraAcesS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Seattle
Country: United States
Posts: 4,378
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kschey View Post
By the way, O'Reilly is not being paid any salary at this point, is he?
So if he really decides to play it hard for a whole year, he loses 3,5 million $ (as this seems to be what the avs offered)?
3.5M prorated... All contract salaries are based on a 82 game season regardless.

CobraAcesS is offline  
Old
02-09-2013, 10:53 PM
  #799
NWAvs
Registered User
 
NWAvs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Seattle
Country: Germany
Posts: 4,869
vCash: 500
What is the worst case scenario for us?

NWAvs is offline  
Old
02-09-2013, 10:57 PM
  #800
CB Joe
Registered User
 
CB Joe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,507
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by NWAvs View Post
What is the worst case scenario for us?
I guess that depends on your take.

O'Reilly holds out. Avs grow impatient and trade him. The return is ****.

Avs cave and sign O'Reilly to a large contact. Duchene, Landeskog, Downie, and Varlamov now think they are entitled to a big payday. Avs have little money left to improve the roster through free agency.

CB Joe is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:14 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.