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02-09-2013, 10:40 PM
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More like 4 guys under 5"10 and one over 6'2 and that the goalie.
Yea, and then fans get surprised when we lose every single physical battle.

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02-09-2013, 10:44 PM
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Well, we need a bigger back line and it's time to replace Gionta and possibly Desharnais with bigger and hopefully better players. At the same time the smurf Gallagher was probably the only skill guy who showed up besides Eller and Plekanec.

This team definitely needs better balance. We need defenders who can clear the crease.
Exactly !!

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02-09-2013, 10:45 PM
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I'm tired of Smurfs. Keep Gallagher and trade DD, gionta, bouillon, etc.

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Our defence core has to be the smallest in the league and they aren't overly fast either.

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Our defence core has to be the smallest in the league and they aren't overly fast either.
D doesn't need speed, it needs agility, positioning, concentration and size.

Emelin for instance does not have the positioning or concentration whatsoever while Diaz, Gorges lack the size.

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When we play against bigger teams guys like Plekanec, Desharnais, Gionta disappears, where the heck is Cole? We need to change the environment, give Prust the C.


PLEK AND DESHARNAIS ARE PLAYING SCARED.
We can all see that, has long has those two are in the top two center role, we will never be a contender.

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02-09-2013, 10:58 PM
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DD is awful. Enough said.
Agree. I would like to package DD, Pleks, Cole, and Gionta for some hockey pucks.

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This is a preview of what playoff hockey is like. Fewer calls, rougher games, size matters...

Bottom line is that we STILL have too many small guys in the lineup. Gionta, Gallagher, DD... I'm sorry but we get outmatched out there. It's a weakness and we still need to address it.

As for the Leafs... they'll still miss the playoffs. But there's still Boston, Philly and others to face. We don't need to be a bunch of goons but we need to be bigger.

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02-09-2013, 10:59 PM
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D doesn't need speed, it needs agility, positioning, concentration and size.

Emelin for instance does not have the positioning or concentration whatsoever while Diaz, Gorges lack the size.
Then there's Boullion, who lacks it all but effort, and is on the PP.

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If I was Stubbs, I'd invite Kostopoulos to Moshies for a steak ASAP to hear his opinion on the Habs this year and how his family copes with travelling.
More Dave Stubbs jokes please

Edit: WhiskeySeven's on a roll tonight. Thanks for making some of us laugh after that dismal display by "Les Glorieux"

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Then there's Boullion, who lacks it all but effort, and is on the PP.
Don't you get it man, Bouillon has the power of heart and that's the greatest power.
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More Dave Stubbs jokes please
I hope you saw my little blurb in the GDT. I spent five minutes on that one.

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Small up front, small at defense. Only our goalie is big. Too bad he can't play forward or defense.

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Desharnais is a guy who needs sheltered minutes and to big dudes doing the work for him. McQuaid can just check him into the boards and neutralize him.

Hopefully, we can trade him to some team that needs a set up man on their 3rd line.

Aso, Gio is just as stony handed as Bourque ; it's just that he still had a bunch of chances to score 29 goals in past seasons.

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I hope you saw my little blurb in the GDT. I spent five minutes on that one.
Yeah I did. "The waltz"

By the way Whiskey, just found this picture on Buzzfeed. Time to change the avatar again.



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Yeah I did. "The waltz"

By the way Whiskey, just found this picture on Buzzfeed. Time to change the avatar again.

"in six games..."

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Trade everyone, sign heavyweights, no more soft Euros

Seriously though, this is a slump that had to happen eventually, people need to be a little less reactionary. Gio is a fine captain

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We don't need goons, OK maybe 1. What we really need is to size the team up. It's impossible to play hockey when half of your team is 5"10.

So funny, I was thinking about it, when I was bantam \ midget I was around 5'10 170 lbs, and I was the smallest on my team at that time. Habs do have smaller guys than this. That's really weird as to why pros can build up a team with small guys, after watching the playoffs in the last few years. Defense, physical play and intimidation wins championships.

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02-10-2013, 11:14 PM
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So funny, I was thinking about it, when I was bantam \ midget I was around 5'10 170 lbs, and I was the smallest on my team at that time. Habs do have smaller guys than this. That's really weird as to why pros can build up a team with small guys, after watching the playoffs in the last few years. Defense, physical play and intimidation wins championships.
Ya but that should change. Big, slow and tough teams are not the future of the NHL. Teams are drafting smaller every year now because they realise that slow goons that cant skate are going to be the demise of the sport. I much rather watch smurfs that can play a talent and speed game then a bunch of thugs that just slow the game down and turn it in to a punchfest rather than a sport. If hockey becomes more popular in the states, its because that culture is slowly changing.

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Ya but that should change. Big, slow and tough teams are not the future of the NHL. Teams are drafting smaller every year now because they realise that slow goons that cant skate are going to be the demise of the sport. I much rather watch smurfs that can play a talent and speed game then a bunch of thugs that just slow the game down and turn it in to a punchfest rather than a sport. If hockey becomes more popular in the states, its because that culture is slowly changing into a game with smaller but faster players.

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Pleks didn't disappear in that game at all - he just somehow had the worst finish all game.

that breakaway

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Ya but that should change. Big, slow and tough teams are not the future of the NHL. Teams are drafting smaller every year now because they realise that slow goons that cant skate are going to be the demise of the sport. I much rather watch smurfs that can play a talent and speed game then a bunch of thugs that just slow the game down and turn it in to a punchfest rather than a sport. If hockey becomes more popular in the states, its because that culture is slowly changing into a game with smaller but faster players.
But there are plenty of players available every year in the draft who are big, can play and are at least reasonably fast. If teams are drafting smaller, they're not drafting guys who are 5ft7 they are drafting guys who are 5ft10, who are just an inch below league average. Plekanec, for example, despite some of the hate he gets on this board, doesn't have an issue with bigger players, he certainly knows how to handle himself, and with that said, he obviously would benefit more from big wingers. We shouldn't be for drafting huge knuckle draggers or smurfs, we should be looking at players who have enough of both worlds, like Pacioretty. He IMO is an example of the future mold of the NHL, big enough to not get pushed around, but skilled and fast enough to keep up with the water-bugs and the speedsters of the league. We need a mix of both, and if you look around at the successful teams of the NHL, they have done that.

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But there are plenty of players available every year in the draft who are big, can play and are at least reasonably fast. If teams are drafting smaller, they're not drafting guys who are 5ft7 they are drafting guys who are 5ft10, who are just an inch below league average. Plekanec, for example, despite some of the hate he gets on this board, doesn't have an issue with bigger players, he certainly knows how to handle himself, and with that said, he obviously would benefit more from big wingers. We shouldn't be for drafting huge knuckle draggers or smurfs, we should be looking at players who have enough of both worlds, like Pacioretty. He IMO is an example of the future mold of the NHL, big enough to not get pushed around, but skilled and fast enough to keep up with the water-bugs and the speedsters of the league. We need a mix of both, and if you look around at the successful teams of the NHL, they have done that.
Key words here. I see to much of the same.

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When we play against bigger teams guys like Plekanec, Desharnais, Gionta disappears, where the heck is Cole? We need to change the environment, give Prust the C.


PLEK AND DESHARNAIS ARE PLAYING SCARED.


Insult to my intelligence.. Plekanec is always battling hard, he is our most constant foward and by far..

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When we play against bigger teams guys like Plekanec, Desharnais, Gionta disappears, where the heck is Cole? We need to change the environment, give Prust the C.


PLEK AND DESHARNAIS ARE PLAYING SCARED.
Sorry? Do I miss something?

EDIT: We're 6-4-1 and people are going insane.

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So many terrible posts in this thread it is difficult to single out the worst. Typical crybaby antics following a tough loss.

Gionta is a fantastic leader and a legitimate top 6 forward. Desharnais is and always was a stop-gap player and he will be here until we can replace him with a big two-way center. Unfortunately Eller is failing miserably in that regard.......

This fanbase is so bi-polar it can be embarrassing at times to be lumped in with them. The only player that the fans should be pissed with is Cole as he simply isn't putting in the effort and this isn't the first time in his career that he has pulled this disappearing act.

My biggest concern is Therrien's ability to concieve and implement an effective system and the possibility that Lefebvre might be an unmitigated disaster as head coach in Hamilton. At the moment these are just my concerns and there is plenty of time for them to prove me wrong. What is wrong however, is fans who overreact after a loss and do 180 degree swings in their opinions on players and other various issues.

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