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01-24-2013, 08:42 PM
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Here's a preview with likely entrants for the Holy Bull.

http://sportschatplace.com/horseraci...takes-preview/



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http://www.equibase.com/static/entry...13USA-EQB.html
Here are the PP's.
http://www.bloodhorse.com/pdf/HolyBullS2013.pdf

I read where Frac Daddy's work was so impressive, it convinced McPeek to run here instead of an allowance.

Need to review......although I'm on a losing streak with these.

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Calvin won the race for himself right out of the gate when he cut off the 3 horses inside of him, securing the rail.
You get a good view from the overhead showing Super Saver never getting any mud at him until the moment he split horses turning for home.
I hate the mud.
I thought Looking At Lucky could have been a good one.
I liked Lucky from the earlier prep races but there's little chance I'd bet any #1 in a Derby. Randy Moss said a few years ago that it's time to start tossing some of these Derby notions, and he's been proven right as some have been erased, but #1 is a tough position historically with the larger fields.

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More about the Holy Bull.

http://espn.go.com/horse-racing/stor...ield-holy-bull

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After four weeks of featuring supporting players and new faces, the star of the show, Shanghai Bobby, makes his eagerly awaited debut on the Kentucky Derby trail Jan. 26 when he faces nine opponents in the 1 1/16-mile Holy Bull Stakes at Gulfstream Park.

It is obvious by the size of the field that rival trainers hold little fear of last year's 2-year-old champion, as several of them will be sending out their big guns in an effort to catapult to the top of the list of leading Derby contenders.

In addition, Shanghai Bobby did not draw an ideal post, breaking from the rail. Expected to provide the biggest challenges are Frac Daddy and Dewey Square, who finished second and third, respectively, in last fall's Kentucky Jockey Club Stakes; Bern Identity, a fast-closing second in the rich Delta Downs Jackpot ; Itsmyluckyday, a 6 3/4-length winner of the Gulfstream Park Derby; and Tulira Castle, who has two wins and two seconds in four career starts, including an impressive score in an allowance/optional claimer at Gulfstream Dec. 8.

Shanghai Bobby is undefeated in five starts, including dominating victories in the Champagne Stakes and Hopeful Stakes and a gutsy win in the Grey Goose Breeders' Cup Juvenile.

Following his victories in the Hopeful and Champagne, the son of Harlan's Holiday -- Steelin', by Orientate showed his courage in the Breeders' Cup Juvenile, digging in gamely the length of the stretch to out-battle longshot He's Had Enough, winning by a head in his first start without Lasix and having to travel cross-country.

"He's grown up; filling out; all the things you want to see from him going into his 3-year-old year," trainer Todd Pletcher said. "His last work went great. It looks like he's right on schedule."

Bred in Kentucky by Stonehaven Steadings, Shanghai Bobby was purchased by Starlight Partners, headed by Jack Wolf and Don Lucarelli, at the Keeneland September yearling sale for $105,000.

Shanghai Bobby has turned in a series of steady five-furlong works at Palm Meadows training center, his last being 1:00 4/5 breezing Jan. 20. He will be ridden by Rosie Napravnik, who has been on the colt in all of his starts.

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A good point made in that story is the full field.

I can't imagine Pletcher having Shanghai Bobby wound tight.
That said, it was quite an accomplishment for him winning a 1st time two turn race on a track he'd never run on.

This is a classic race of class against up and comers.
The favorites being 1-2 post means they'll go.
Now, are they good enough to separate from the field the whole way?

There are interesting 'other' horses in here. They are:
3. Clearly Now - sprinter pedigree, and a rider who likes the front.
4. Bern Identity - Paco chooses him over impressive winner Itsmyluckyday. He's a graded winner and works sharply.
5. Sr. Quisqueyano - never been worse than 2nd in 7 starts, all in Florida.
6. Dewey Square - class test, works sharp.
7. Itsmyluckyday - big # over the track.
8. Tulira Castle 9. Fredericksburg - how often do you get Castellano & Johnny V on
30-1 shots in a big race?
10. Joshua's Comprise -needs the race to fall apart.

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^ The 7 intrigued me all week. I erred in not boxing an exacta. Went Bobby/Lucky.

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^ The 7 intrigued me all week. I erred in not boxing an exacta. Went Bobby/Lucky.
Looks like we have another player, although he's a Langfuhr.

Cohen pulling Frac Daddy back eliminated him from the race.

Wonder how Paco is feeling tonight?

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Looks like we have another player, although he's a Langfuhr.

Cohen pulling Frac Daddy back eliminated him from the race.

Wonder how Paco is feeling tonight?
We have the potential of a fun Florida Derby. The pressure could be on Rosie/Pletcher.

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“I’m very thankful for Mr. Plesa, who gave me the opportunity to ride Itsmyluckyday,” said Trujillo, who rode the Kentucky-bred for the first time Saturday after Paco Lopez honored a commitment to ride troubled fifth-place finisher Bern Identity. “This was the trip Mr. Plesa and I hoped for.”
Trujillo heeded Plesa’s pre-race advice to a ‘T.’

“I told Elvis, ‘If you’re seven-wide on the first turn and four-wide heading for home, you’re not going to win the race.' I just wanted the best horse to win the race; I believe that’s what happened today. I didn’t see anybody that had any big excuses as far as wide trips. That’s what I wanted for our horse; I wanted a fair chance to win the race,” Plesa said.
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“The winner was very good today. We were second best. We got a good trip and didn’t expect to break the track record by three-fifths of a second in order to win,” Pletcher said. “I was happy. We got the trip. We got the trip we anticipated.”
http://www.horseraceinsider.com/Pres...d-in-holy-bull
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“I thought it was a big race,” Pletcher said. “The winner was very good. We were second-best.”
Shanghai Bobby easily finished second, 11 lengths ahead of Clearly Now and Luis Saez.
“He ran well. He was relaxed on the lead and went right to the front today,” said Rosie Napravnik, who has been aboard Shanghai Bobby in all his starts. “When the other horse came to him, he tried really hard.”
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Plesa said he wasn’t sure when his fast-improving contender would run next. He seemed to be leaning toward the March 30 Florida Derby, but the new Derby points system might dictate entering the Fountain of Youth Stakes on Feb. 23. Both races are at Gulfstream Park.

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We have the potential of a fun Florida Derby. The pressure could be on Rosie/Pletcher.





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Only 10 pts for that victory.

I'd look to the Fountain Of Youth. The 1 1/8 miles Florida Derby might be out of his range.

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Was about to post this...

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Trainers Eddie Plesa Jr., who conditions Holy Bull victor Itsmyluckyday, and Todd Pletcher, who oversees 2012 juvenile champion Shanghai Bobby, cited the 1 1/8-mile Florida Derby at Gulfstream March 30 as the likely next stop for their respective charges.

Plesa pronounced Itsmyluckyday to be "110 percent" the morning after the Holy Bull when reached at Calder Casino & Race Course. Itsmyluckyday posted a two-length win over the previously unbeaten Shanghai Bobby, who set the pace in the 1 1/16-mile Holy Bull as the even-money favorite.
Read more on BloodHorse.com: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...#ixzz2JEVemGnX

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This horse has caught my eye but I wondered what happened to him:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...oxley/1867579/

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Uncaptured's schedule was hampered by a bruised a foot following the Kentucky Jockey Club. Casse says he's doing well and is targeting Keeneland's Toyota Blue Grass, with an undetermined prep beforehand. Dynamic Sky is targeted for Saturday's Sam Davis at Tampa.

Oxley says he's never seen such a hard-worker or anybody with Casse's eye for picking out yearlings and 2-year-olds at auction.


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Marquetry was euthanized after a stall accident.


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A lengthy article but one that paints a step-by-step picture of Secretariat's run culminating with his cover boy stature:

http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/horse...ter-of-73.aspx

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It was his spectacular record-breaking Triple Crown sweep, his photo on the covers of Newsweek, Time, and Sports Illustrated, his shocking upsets at the hand of The Giant Killer Allen Jerkens, and his magnificent fall victories in the Marlboro Cup, Man o’War Stakes, and Canadian International that would define Secretariat’s career.

But the legend was born in the winter of 1973, when Secretariat evolved into Big Red and took those important first steps that would lead him into the pantheon of immortals. It was there he would become the standard by which greatness is measured.
Career performances: http://www.secretariat.com/past-performances/

And his 1973 Belmont race, one of the most dominating sports performances ever:



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A lengthy article but one that paints a step-by-step picture of Secretariat's run culminating with his cover boy stature:

http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/horse...ter-of-73.aspx



Career performances: http://www.secretariat.com/past-performances/

And his 1973 Belmont race, one of the most dominating sports performances ever:

They sure weren't afraid to run them back then.

I like the traditional (back then) route he took. Bayshore 7f, Gotham 1M, Wood 1 1/8M, Derby.
Now they diminished the Gotham by making it an essentially meanless race on the lately dangerous inner track.

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Everything changes, Val. Remember when the owner of Spend A Buck willingly skipped the Preakness after winning the Derby? Different reasons, of course, but it would be odd to see that happen in current times.

By the way, anyone have the $150k superfecta on Sunday at Aqueduct? 55-1 shot won the race?

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Can Unbridled Command make it six in a row? Career Statistics: Starts: 10, Firsts: 6, Seconds: 1, Thirds: 2.

A New Yorker that won in California in his last race, his first time out of the home state. Now he heads to Florida and faces the big boys. It is setting up as a three-horse race. Point of Entry is a nice animal. Animal Kingdom is a Derby winner. Unbridled Command is rock steady.

The Turf Stakes:

http://www.drf.com/news/gulfstream-p...ridled-command

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HALLANDALE BEACH, Fla. – Unbridled Command has won his last five starts including the Grade 1 Hollywood Derby. But despite such an imposing resume, the talented turf specialist figures to play not only second but third fiddle to Animal Kingdom and Point of Entry in Saturday’s Grade 1 Gulfstream Park Turf Handicap.

Unbridled Command quietly rose to the top of the 3-year-old turf division during the second half of 2012, coming out of New York-bred allowance races to win both the Grade 3 Saranac and the Hollywood Derby against open company during the latter part of the year.
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The Donn:

http://www.gulfstreampark.com/racing...-donn-handicap

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The 57th edition of the Donn has drawn an intriguing top-class field of 10 with B.J. Wright’s 5-year-old Ultimate Eagle invading from California, Bourbon Lane Stable and Wayne Lynn’s 4-year-old Bourbon Courage flown in from New Orleans and Preston Stable’s 7-year-old Flat Out, the 3-1 morning line favorite, making his first start since finishing third in the Breeders’ Cup Classic (G1) at Santa Anita on Nov. 3.

The Donn is one of five stakes races on Saturday's program at Gulfstream. The 12-race program also includes the $300,000 Kitten's Joy Gulfstream Park Turf Handicap featuring 2011 Kentucky Derby (G1) winner Animal Kingdom and the multiple Grade I winning Point of Entry.

Jockey John Velazquez gets aboard Take Charge Indy for the first time in his first start since a game runner-up effort in the Clark Handicap (G1) at Churchill Downs on Nov. 23 when beaten a length by Shackleford. That good effort came following a third-place finish in the Fayette Stakes (G2) at Keeneland in his first race since the Kentucky Derby (G1),
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Donn is a great betting race.

Looks to be ample pace available.

Flat Out is the clear class, but at 7yrs old, he may need one.
I like Bourbon Courage with the switch to Castellano.

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I want to see how Johnny V. handles Take Charge Indy (last five races with Borel) but ultimately I may play Graydar in with the two you mentioned.

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Can Unbridled Command make it six in a row? Career Statistics: Starts: 10, Firsts: 6, Seconds: 1, Thirds: 2.

A New Yorker that won in California in his last race, his first time out of the home state. Now he heads to Florida and faces the big boys. It is setting up as a three-horse race. Point of Entry is a nice animal. Animal Kingdom is a Derby winner. Unbridled Command is rock steady.
Had the top 3. Unbridled Command at 15-1 was asinine. He was bet down.

Doh. $13 trifecta.


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Good call.
Rather short on that exacta. $57?

Pletcher defies handicapping logic.
The winner was eligible for a non winners of 2, had never been around 2 turns, then wires a Gr 1 field???

I must've missed that class.

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Odd prices. $23 superfecta with Point of Entry winning. That is as low as I have ever seen.

Pletcher said this after the race about his win with Graydar:

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"You see horses win grade I races early in their careers, like 2-year-olds, with not very many starts," Pletcher remarked. "But I'd say it's extremely rare for a horse in his fourth lifetime start against seasoned horses like this to be able to do it. It's a real tribute to the horse. It was fun for us. For these connections we lost a tough head-bob with Mission Impazible in this race (in 2012). It's sweet to get one for them the next year."
Not an impressive ride on Animal Kingdom, Johnny V was some spot on criticism:

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"I know Animal Kingdom well," Velazquez remarked. "If (Rosario) would have waited behind me he probably would have beaten me from the quarter pole home. He made a move so big that he changed his style to my horse's style, so it worked out to my advantage. I had my horse running so much by the time we got to the 3/16 pole my horse got his momentum going. It worked out for us."
http://www.equibase.com/racingnews/article/View.cfm

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Odd prices. $23 superfecta with Point of Entry winning. That is as low as I have ever seen.

Pletcher said this after the race about his win with Graydar:



Not an impressive ride on Animal Kingdom, Johnny V was some spot on criticism:



http://www.equibase.com/racingnews/article/View.cfm
Regarding Pletcher's quote.
The only way a horse like that wins is on the front end, then run your eyes out.
He probably wouldn't been able to track down much more seasoned horses.
Gulfstream has always been a speed favoring oval with a short stretch.

I watched the turf race on TVG right after it had run.
This was one of those impossible races for a closer like Animal Kingdom to win. The pace was 50 for the half on a rock hard fast turf.
The rider sensed this and moved on the rail. Johnny V saw what was happening and picked up his pace at the exact same time.
Animal Kingdom had no shot with that pace, especially against a 4 time Gr1 winner who had tactical speed.

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It's part the job of the trainer, but also the state of older horses. Graydar wasn't a long-shot upset winner, he was 5/1 G1 winner the first time he tries a graded stakes event, beating horses who are 7 and 8. Full disclosure: I did pick him.

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SAN FRANCISCO, CA (February 7, 2013) – Comcast SportsNet Bay Area, the home of “Authentic Bay Area Sports,” will present comprehensive on-site coverage of the El Camino Real Derby, Northern California’s official Kentucky Derby prep, live from Golden Gate Fields in Berkeley, Calif., on Saturday, Feb. 16 from 4-5 p.m. PT. The network’ s one-hour coverage will feature in-depth race preview and analysis, interviews, retrospectives of the Bay Area’s historic racing legacy, culminating with the 32nd running of the El Camino Real Derby.

The Grade 3 $200,000 El Camino Real Derby is Northern California’s premiere race for Kentucky Derby hopefuls. Three-year-olds will be in the spotlight in this 1 1/8-mile (nine furlongs) test on Golden Gate Fields’ synthetic Tapeta racing surface. California Derby winner Zeewat, who has Hall of Fame connections in trainer Jerry Hollendorfer and jockey Russell Baze, will head the field in this year’s El Camino Real Derby.

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