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02-09-2013, 05:32 PM
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It is indeed a nice top 2 d "pair" but i find it humourous and somewhat ironic that you are discounting the overall effectiveness of selective pairs due to injury concerns/history while largely ignoring Markov's obvious limitations as one of/if not the most injury prone d man in the entire league. Leafs fan, not hating.....just saying. Hope we have a well played competitive game tonight. Looking forward to my first live look at Chucky....
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02-09-2013, 05:44 PM
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Letang-Orpik is pretty good
Doughty-Mitchell
Byfuglien-Enstrom is real good
Weber-Josi is good
Karlsson-Methot
Boyle-Vlasic
Yandle-OEL

There's lots of good ones, and Markov and Subban don't even play together besides the PP.
Wich one is better in duo than ours ? there's better single dmans but not many are as good in pair.
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Keith is one of the most overrated players.

Since his big Norris year (69 pts), his second best season is 45 pts (and he played the full 82 games).

Markov is on a different level and he's always good for AT LEAST 55 pts (over an 82 games season) if healthy.

+Markov is not lucky enough to play with Kane, Toews, Hossa, Sharp and has to generate more offense on his own as opposed to Keith.
Keith is overated to me. But that comes pretty much with most of the team. Toews is horribly overated, so is Seabrook. Ironically, their best player is the least hyped and not even ''considered'' by the so-called specialist the best on his team..


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I would take Keith and Seabrook over Markov and Subban anyday. Markov is slower this year than I've ever seen, he's 34 and aside from the PP, he isn't that good on defense. Subban is strong and dynamic, he's better than Seabrook and dare I say Keith, but Keith and Seabrook are big time performers.
Do you mean Subban is not a big time performer ?




All in all I'm happy I was right, i always knew that Markov would come back and be good, Heh, what can you do, CH fan's are the most pessimistic kind in the league or is it the other way around ?

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lol creepy....no pecker checker here....

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02-09-2013, 07:21 PM
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i did mention markov is slower and hes 34 so i think its better to move him for something. looks like he got beat in the first goal.

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02-09-2013, 07:28 PM
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Do you mean Subban is not a big time performer ?




Yes, it is what I'm saying. Until PK wins the Cup, he won't be Keith and Seabrook.

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02-09-2013, 08:21 PM
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That's it, I'm done...turned off the T.V. Have a good one guys....

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02-09-2013, 08:24 PM
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Top 1-2 in the league? Good one.

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02-09-2013, 08:37 PM
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Gorges/Subban are a great second pairing, or a pretty weak first pairing. Markov is a PP specialist at this point, and Emelin is a #6.

No.

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Nope.

Simple as that.

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02-09-2013, 09:32 PM
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for me Chara and a cone , weber and cone, doughty and cone are better that pk and markov together

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It's one game...

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Are Markov and Subban the best 1-2 D combination in the league? I think the only other combinations of top two blue liners that are comparable are Pietrangelo/Shattenkirk and Keith/Seabrook. The Rangers have a strong top 3 with Girardi/Staal/McDonagh but none of them are true #1s and Chara/Seidenberg are good but imo Seidenberg is more of a #3.

I like the Pietrangelo/Shattenkirk pairing the most but Markov/Subban are definitely debatable as the top 1-2 combination in the league.
Are you serious? Man you way overrate these two guys. I doubt Markov stays healthy and PK is undisciplined.

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02-10-2013, 02:33 AM
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Orpik a is a defensive D so he's not a #2.
Same thing with Mitchell
Buff and Enstrom are just as good as Markov-Subban offensively, however we all know how much Big Buff cares about D.
Josi is not a #2 D.
Methot: see Orpik
Subban is better than Vlasic
Yandle and OEL are very good but Markov is still better than them which gives us the advantage.

So yes we do have the best D combination possibly tied with St. Louis.
Keith and Seabrook are two #1 d-men as well, and arguably better, unfortunately.

San Jose could run any combination of Boyle, Vlasic and Burns and be an instant contender for top pairing in the league though! Still have it a three horse race with Chicago, then Montreal/San Jose, although I'd have Phoenix and St. Louis as very likely contenders in the near future.

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02-10-2013, 02:47 AM
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I wouldn't have them as #1 but they are probably in the top-5. One thing against them is the age difference, a lot of the other combos have 2 guys of a similar age.

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LOL Markov has good offensive numbers, but he has become slow, which hinders his defensive play, Subban is still learning, so no we dont have the best top 2

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02-10-2013, 03:56 AM
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LOL Markov has good offensive numbers, but he has become slow, which hinders his defensive play, Subban is still learning, so no we dont have the best top 2
When has Markov ever been fast? Skating has never been his strength. Chara might be even slower but he's still an elite D.

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02-10-2013, 04:02 AM
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Keith and Seabrook are two #1 d-men as well, and arguably better, unfortunately.

San Jose could run any combination of Boyle, Vlasic and Burns and be an instant contender for top pairing in the league though! Still have it a three horse race with Chicago, then Montreal/San Jose, although I'd have Phoenix and St. Louis as very likely contenders in the near future.
Seabrook is definitely not a #1. He doesn't have enough offensive talent to be considered as such.

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02-11-2013, 10:33 AM
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We could have one of the top 4 pairings in the NHL if they switched it around.
Emelin isn't all that comfortable on the right side. Markov also needs to play less.

Markov-Gorges
Emelin-PK

IMO, that's a really solid top 4, especially with Emelin playing on his natural side where he's most comfortable. His positioning is still somewhat of an issue when playing on the right, especially when he's chasing a guy.

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When has Markov ever been fast? Skating has never been his strength. Chara might be even slower but he's still an elite D.
Markov has never been fast yes, but his speed has never hindered him like it has the past couple of games.

Chara also has the benefit of being 6'9 which makes up for his lack of speed

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We could have one of the top 4 pairings in the NHL if they switched it around.
Emelin isn't all that comfortable on the right side. Markov also needs to play less.

Markov-Gorges
Emelin-PK

IMO, that's a really solid top 4, especially with Emelin playing on his natural side where he's most comfortable. His positioning is still somewhat of an issue when playing on the right, especially when he's chasing a guy.
Those pairings make a lot of sense, however I wonder if there would be communication problems between pk and emelin since emelin hardly speaks any english.

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We could have one of the top 4 pairings in the NHL if they switched it around.
Emelin isn't all that comfortable on the right side. Markov also needs to play less.

Markov-Gorges
Emelin-PK

IMO, that's a really solid top 4, especially with Emelin playing on his natural side where he's most comfortable. His positioning is still somewhat of an issue when playing on the right, especially when he's chasing a guy.
There you go again with the "players perfom better in their natural position" stuff again. That is just silly! I can name 4 players in the NHL that have done this... I can't wait to see us draft 3 wingers next year and play them as centers

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I might be biased, but Vlasic and Mitchell are two of the very best defensive defensmen in the league and they're most certainly top pairing defensmen. And Doughty plays with Scuderi not with Willie.

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Seabrook is definitely not a #1. He doesn't have enough offensive talent to be considered as such.
He's a consistent 30 point defensive-defenceman with a career high of 48 points a couple of years ago... definitely not enough offensive talent..............

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There are better Ds than Markov out there for sure, but very few of them have a guy like Subban to back them up.

Keith and Seabrook are definitely #1, as for the rest it is debatable.

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