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02-09-2013, 10:09 PM
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This. But why would even bother to consider logic on these boards? The biggest problem with this team is they have looked slow thus far until kreider came back and miller was called up. Now we want to add a guy who makes us slow again? Why, because he can fight and add some hits? Its stupid. Clowe would absolutely not play on our top 6 like the other poster said.


Yes he would.

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So, your logic is this team is slow? Really? Three of the fastest forwards in the league on the same club and they are slow? Not to mention the McDonough on the blue line. Or the new kid Powe who has wheels and a motor to go with it. Speed is certainly not an issue.
Powe is not fast. He has adequate skating abilities. Don't make it more than it is. And you clearly don't get what I mean by slow. The team has in their game has been slow. A player like Powe helps that problem. They have been slow closing off space as well as when it comes to finishing checks; the play is already gone and/or moving the other way. Until the last couple games we didn't have Miller and Kreider. They traded Rupp to get quicker. If fighting and toughness was more important to them they would have kept him. Torts wants his team to be quicker. Clowe is slow.
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Clowe can't play top 6 minutes on our team but can play top 6 for the Sharks


Clowe has scored 52, 57, 62 and 45 points the last 4 seasons...

He would be our answer to Lucic...but we don't need that...let's trade for Jussi Jokeien.
Don't compare him to Lucic. Lucic is a far more effective player than Clowe. And I never said Clowe was a bad player. I said he is dubinsky but slower. He has hit 60 points only once so you cant claim he is a 60 point player. He is a 45-55 point player. Sounds a lot like Dubinsky to me. Similar games but again slower. And with Thornton, Marleau, Havlat, Pavelski, Couture...if Clowe is in the top 6 he is the 6th guy himself. He wouldnt be in our top 6.

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Yes he would.
Oh yeah? Over who? Over Gaborik, Richards, Hagelin, Nash, Stepan, Pyatt? Those players are either more talented or quicker. And if you want to claim Pyatt as the out Torts likes him, he has been great on the boards, stands in front of the net, possesses the puck, is smart, and has been effective. Similar game to Clowe but Pyatt is bigger. Next.

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Oh yeah? Over who? Over Gaborik, Richards, Hagelin, Nash, Stepan, Pyatt? Those players are either more talented or quicker. And if you want to claim Pyatt as the out Torts likes him, he has been great on the boards, stands in front of the net, possesses the puck, is smart, and has been effective. Similar game to Clowe but Pyatt is bigger. Next.

Over Pyatt and Hagelin.


Also Clowe is a better player than Dubinsky.

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Over Pyatt and Hagelin.
Ok guy. Over Hagelin who is one of the fastest players in the league and plays right to Torts is liking. I told you why no on Pyatt but you seemed to ignore reason and logic, not surprising.

Clowe is not a better player than Dubinsky. But thanks for basing that on his point totals.

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Powe is not fast. He has adequate skating abilities. Don't make it more than it is. And you clearly don't get what I mean by slow. The team has in their game has been slow. A player like Powe helps that problem. They have been slow closing off space as well as when it comes to finishing checks; the play is already gone and/or moving the other way. Until the last couple games we didn't have Miller and Kreider. They traded Rupp to get quicker. If fighting and toughness was more important to them they would have kept him. Torts wants his team to be quicker. Clowe is slow.

Don't compare him to Lucic. Lucic is a far more effective player than Clowe. And I never said Clowe was a bad player. I said he is dubinsky but slower. He has hit 60 points only once so you cant claim he is a 60 point player. He is a 45-55 point player. Sounds a lot like Dubinsky to me. Similar games but again slower. And with Thornton, Marleau, Havlat, Pavelski, Couture...if Clowe is in the top 6 he is the 6th guy himself. He wouldnt be in our top 6.
I'm certainly not trying to make anything more than what it is. Your changing your slow comment to the team being slow, which makes no sense. They are not slow. There are so many players that can skate on this team that they can afford a player that is on the slow side, bit even though a guy like Clowe Mary nit be the best skater he doesn't seem to have problems finishing checks. He's a physical player.

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Just get clowe and put him in boyles spot. There problem solved

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Just get clowe and put him in boyles spot. There problem solved
Clowe can play shutdown center role? lol.

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Ok guy. Over Hagelin who is one of the fastest players in the league and plays right to Torts is liking. I told you why no on Pyatt but you seemed to ignore reason and logic, not surprising.

Clowe is not a better player than Dubinsky. But thanks for basing that on his point totals.

Clowe and Pyatt play similar games (you even said it yourself). If Torts likes Pyatt he'd love Clowe who is clearly a superior player.

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Powe is not fast. He has adequate skating abilities. Don't make it more than it is. And you clearly don't get what I mean by slow. The team has in their game has been slow. A player like Powe helps that problem. They have been slow closing off space as well as when it comes to finishing checks; the play is already gone and/or moving the other way. Until the last couple games we didn't have Miller and Kreider. They traded Rupp to get quicker. If fighting and toughness was more important to them they would have kept him. Torts wants his team to be quicker. Clowe is slow.

Don't compare him to Lucic. Lucic is a far more effective player than Clowe. And I never said Clowe was a bad player. I said he is dubinsky but slower. He has hit 60 points only once so you cant claim he is a 60 point player. He is a 45-55 point player. Sounds a lot like Dubinsky to me. Similar games but again slower. And with Thornton, Marleau, Havlat, Pavelski, Couture...if Clowe is in the top 6 he is the 6th guy himself. He wouldnt be in our top 6.
Guy your points are weak....top 6, bottom 6, I don't care...if he replaces Boyle he is an upgrade and he would be an upgrade over Hagelin as well...this guy can actually score...I love Dubi but his highest point total was 54 and something tells me that might be one of his highest totals in his career.

Lucic was always rated low on this board but now for your convienence he is a more effective player....Clowe will give you 50 points, 150 hits, 150 PIM


Lucic is a 60 point scorer, with 135 PM and 200 hits...is Lucic a better player...in my eyes he is in the top 10, but if we can get Clowe and it is not for a king's ransom...you do it in a heartbeat!

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02-09-2013, 10:37 PM
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Ok guy. Over Hagelin who is one of the fastest players in the league and plays right to Torts is liking. I told you why no on Pyatt but you seemed to ignore reason and logic, not surprising.

Clowe is not a better player than Dubinsky. But thanks for basing that on his point totals.
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I'm certainly not trying to make anything more than what it is. Your changing your slow comment to the team being slow, which makes no sense. They are not slow. There are so many players that can skate on this team that they can afford a player that is on the slow side, bit even though a guy like Clowe Mary nit be the best skater he doesn't seem to have problems finishing checks. He's a physical player.
I didn't change my comment . I clarified it for you. Torts doesnt want slow players no matter what you think they can afford to take on. They have quick players but they havent played that way. Miller, Kreider, and Callahan have changed that a lot. To your last sentence...thats what they got Powe for.

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Clowe can play shutdown center role? lol.
I didnt exactly mean his exact role lol. Also with the way Miller is playing, boyles job is far from safe imo

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I would take Clowe but what are we giving up in said scenario?

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I didnt exactly mean his exact role lol. Also with the way Miller is playing, boyles job is far from safe imo
I'd say Halpern is closer to taking Boyle's role on the team than Miller.

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I'd say Halpern is closer to taking Boyle's role on the team than Miller.
Miller has been responsible defensively so far. Will he keep it up? who knows but if he does boyle better be worried

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Miller has been responsible defensively so far. Will he keep it up? who knows but if he does boyle better be worried
Miller hasn't even lined up against the best players from the other teams yet like Boyle has done for the past 2 seasons. Miller is a very sheltered rookie while Boyle is a very rugged, shutdown defensive specialist. Two vastly different roles on the roster.

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Clowe and Pyatt play similar games (you even said it yourself). If Torts likes Pyatt he'd love Clowe who is clearly a superior player.
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Guy your points are weak....top 6, bottom 6, I don't care...if he replaces Boyle he is an upgrade and he would be an upgrade over Hagelin as well...this guy can actually score...I love Dubi but his highest point total was 54 and something tells me that might be one of his highest totals in his career.

Lucic was always rated low on this board but now for your convienence he is a more effective player....Clowe will give you 50 points, 150 hits, 150 PIM


Lucic is a 60 point scorer, with 135 PM and 200 hits...is Lucic a better player...in my eyes he is in the top 10, but if we can get Clowe and it is not for a king's ransom...you do it in a heartbeat!
Again Clowe is not a shutdown center so he is not replacing Boyle.

I never rated Lucic low. Still think he is better.

Pyatt is similar to Clowe but has better size. How is Clowe superior? Because he has higher point totals from playing with better players on better teams for the majority of his career? That doesn't mean he has gifted hands and can score goals with the best of them.

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on the main board, these were the offers for Boyle

Sabres offer Leopold + Adam + 3rd for Boyle + 4th.
Sabres offer Weber + Adam for Boyle.
Habs offer Eller + Weber for Boyle.
Sharks offer Murray + Clowe for Boyle + pick.
The point of the deal with the sharks is Murray and Clowe for Boyle + pick.
I am not sure if this deal will even go down, but if it does, Murray would definitely solidify the D.
Girardi - McD
Staal - Mdz
Stralman - Murray
Eminger/Gilroy/Bickell
looks good to me.
Clowe is a quality forward that can play up and down the line up.
He is a not a top 9 forward in this line up, unless there is an injury, otherwise he would be a 4th liner.
Powe/Asham - Halpern - Clowe is a pretty good 4th line.

Again, this assumes Boyle is on the block. Like I said in another post, I doubt Boyle is moved this season, there is too much risk involved with trying to integrate 2 new players and letting go of a player that knows tort's system and is trusted in key situations by the coach.
This is a short season, I think Sather is done tinkering with the forwards, maybe another move for a physical 6th D is what's in the plans.

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Miller has been responsible defensively so far. Will he keep it up? who knows but if he does boyle better be worried
IMO, we are not giving anybody away, and that is proper.
If we need the roster spot and there are no good offers, we work around or cut Asham, rely on Bickel as 4th line / 7th emergency D to do the heavy fighting.

Otherwise we consider if there are any good offers for anybody.
Don't expect people like Hagelin that we prefer to keep we will get overwhelming offers.

But we may get nominal overpay for Boyle, and larger overpay for Stepan.

Let's see what rolls in..........

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I do not condone trading Boyle unless it is for an upgrade
Part of a piece in getting Clowe - you can surely count me in
But I doubt the Sharks do that deal
A trade for the sake of trading Boyle is not really adding anything to the team NOW
And we are in the WIN NOW mode.
We have already had a lot of roster turnover
Boyle knows the system
I see him sticking, unless...

Would not mind to take a flyer on John Erskine if Washington were to continue to slide (won yesterday though) and they blow it up. This I would do asap. A PP D could be also added at the deadline for depth. If we then deem we need it.

Eminger, 3rd, Noreau for Erskine

Yes - that is for a rental
We gotta give to get
They "owe us" one though for the Kundratek debacle
The Jagr deal is time barred by now - no?
This and next year is our real window
Maybe we would need to add some more
I would even add more on the level of the prospect
Andersson? MSC?

What do you think?
I think Sather is looking into going all in this year. And next.
We will see some prospects being moved that we will all dislike

Erskine giving Big George Parros a lesson yesterday


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Petrecki became waiver eligible this season. He was exempt for the first 3 years.

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im dying for Palmieri to get a chance and I really want bobby ryan..

what do you guys think of something starting around Gaborik for Ryan for the start of next season..

Nash- Richards - Palmieri

Hagelin - Stepan - Ryan

Kreider - Miller - Callahan

Powe - Boyle - Asham/Haley (1way next year)

I am not saying Ryan is better then Gaborik.. I just want another power FW that has that goal scoring touch, whos younger and fits this teams mold more!

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Petrecki became waiver eligible this season. He was exempt for the first 3 years.
how does it work now with waivers, if a guy was waived on Sat was it not Mon at noon where they clear? Is it at 12 moon Sun now?

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im dying for Palmieri to get a chance and I really want bobby ryan..

what do you guys think of something starting around Gaborik for Ryan for the start of next season..

Nash- Richards - Palmieri
Hagelin - Stepan - Ryan
Kreider - Miller - Callahan
Powe - Boyle - Asham/Haley (1way next year)

I am not saying Ryan is better then Gaborik.. I just want another power FW that has that goal scoring touch, whos younger and fits this teams mold more!
I liked the Palmieri pick-up, and I've not seen much of him lately, but, I am fairly certain when I say that Palmieri is good depth guy now (something we have lacked for a long time, which has forced us to go with D's as forwards in important situations which is insane for a contender) -- and someone who has potential at least one and more likely two or three or even four years down the line.

IE, he has good size, he is hard nosed, he moves decently on the ice, he has decent hands and so forth. But by himself, he is not much of a force out there. If you have a certain kind of use/hole in your lineup, you might try to plug him in. On 4th line, he might even contribute right away in some situations. But if he ever is going to become a valued part of a team he needs to become a complete and heady hockey player, and he is far from being that as of now. There is nothing that holds him back from becoming like a Ruslan Fedtenko type -- but he needs to work extremely hard to get there.

Some of these kids has a mentality of kind of trying to get somewhere by drinking and chasing girls while never looking back or over your shoulder, kind of. Don't get me wrong, but that can kind of work. Its a tough job to play in this league and by being confident and fearless you pass a couple of big tests atleast. But there are many guys out there who goes that route and if you don't make it -- you need to think again. Palmieri won't play as it is. What can he add to his game? If he becomes a good PKer, a coach can find more use of him. If he becomes better around the boards in terms of making the small plays, he would be of more use to a center who is strong when heading down ice. He could improve infront of the net, a Holmström became like a borderline HHOFer by his play just infront of the net. And so forth. But it will take alot of hard work and focus to get there. He needs to start taking on the game as a profession. If Gernander really could get through to him...


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