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02-10-2013, 03:02 AM
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Swamp Devils pick

Daniel Alfredsson, RW




Top 20 finishes
Goals: 9, 9, 9, 12
Assists: 8, 11, 13, 13, 13, 17
Points 4, 7, 9, 15, 17, 19

Award voting finishes
Hart: 5, 16, 17
All Star: 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9
Selke (all forwards): 3, 10, 11, 15
Selke (wingers only): 2, 3, 4, 4 (these might be off by a rank or two if I incorrectly accounted for multi-positional guys, but I think they are right)


Obviously, the stuff about "on the decline" is not applicable to the ATD since in our little fantasy world, these guys are ageless wonders.

PMing Hawkey Town now
The perfect captain and one of the best all-around players I've seen. Nice pick!

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02-10-2013, 03:23 AM
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Swamp Devils pick

Daniel Alfredsson, RW




Top 20 finishes
Goals: 9, 9, 9, 12
Assists: 8, 11, 13, 13, 13, 17
Points 4, 7, 9, 15, 17, 19

Award voting finishes
Hart: 5, 16, 17
All Star: 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9
Selke (all forwards): 3, 10, 11, 15
Selke (wingers only): 2, 3, 4, 4 (these might be off by a rank or two if I incorrectly accounted for multi-positional guys, but I think they are right)


Obviously, the stuff about "on the decline" is not applicable to the ATD since in our little fantasy world, these guys are ageless wonders.

PMing Hawkey Town now
That's who we just decided on as our 1st line RW... you suck....

Don't forget his international scoring records - they are pretty good.

1998 Olympics 11th in Points
2002 Olympics 11th in Points
2006 Olympics 3rd in Points, 3rd in Goals, 4th in Assists
2010 Olympics 7th in Goals

2004 World Cup 3rd in Points, 1st in Assists

1999 World Championship 3rd in Points, 4th in Goals, 4th in Assists
2001 World Championship 7th in Points, 6th in Assists
2005 World Championship 4th in Points, 4th in Assists

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02-10-2013, 03:48 AM
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Alfredson's goal and assist finishes are surprisingly crappier than I thought.

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02-10-2013, 03:51 AM
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02-10-2013, 04:04 AM
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Alfredson's goal and assist finishes are surprisingly crappier than I thought.
Indeed.

Top 10 finishes
Goals: 9, 9, 9
Assists: 8

But he brings intangibles like leadership, hard work, puck recovery and clutch play. He is an all-time great second line glue guy, the third option on a line in the scoring department.

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02-10-2013, 04:08 AM
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The Whalers (via Cincinnati's pick) select Theo Fleury, RW


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02-10-2013, 07:27 AM
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Exactly. No recreational drugs could be used as a realistic means of enhancing athletic performance in the long-term. It simply doesn't work that way. Perhaps unfortunately for all the world's dopeheads, the body adapts very quickly to the introduction of foreign substances in the neurotransmitter system. Hormones are a different matter.

Krutov's specific case is so suspicious not because of the allegations, which would be nothing but a footnote in the career of a normal player, but because the allegations align perfectly with the highly unusual profile of his playing style (small, but incredibly strong), and the otherwise inexplicable crash in his performance that is there for all the world to see. Depression, cheezburgers, vodka, truth, justice and the american way...none of this explains adequately why one of the greatest players in the world turned into useless slug in a matter of months at the age of 29 without any kind of injury.
They can and they have. Sure, cocaine specifically is best when used right before doing some that doesnt take along time but requires focus (aiming competitions, ski jumping, slalom etc) but in small doses it works very well.

Now how come you dont think, increase of focus, euphoria, energy and motor activity is not enhancing someone performance?

Infact you can prolong the effects of cocaine by taking it orally instead of snorting and there is loads of ways to use it during games without anyone noticing.

About the burning out thing, yea I guess the player just drafted kinda contradicts that? Fleury played 16 seasons and an undrafted who also had a successful career. Obviously there is more people.

Those people who actually burn out do more than coke (alcohol, heroin, partying all night) and/or starts to take high doses and/or injecting/smoking it.

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02-10-2013, 07:44 AM
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The Whalers (via Cincinnati's pick) select Theo Fleury, RW

Bollocks.....he's my kind of guy.

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02-10-2013, 08:21 AM
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One of these days, I'm going to return to the draft and build an ATD party team. Busher Jackson can bartend for the first line, and when he can be bothered, try to work the puck to Phil "Thunder and Lightning" Esposito and Theo Slurry. Would they ever win the puck? Who knows, but they'd have a good time trying!

For the second line, I'd like to go for an all-burnouts unit. Krutov next to pumpkinhead Lindros who I don't think ever took anything other than headache medication, but painkillers will have to do. On the RW, I dunno. For an all-party team, the left wing is actually a much deeper position, which is kinda wierd. I may have to switch a natural LW to the right, like Brendan "all your wife are belong to us" Shanahan.

Third line will be taken directly from the early-70's Bruins. The coach, too.

On the defense, the top pairing will obviously be Doug Harvey and Harry Cameron. After that, it gets kinda tough. An undrafted can play on the second pairing as the team dealer, but after him I can't think of any shady defensemen off the top of my head. Let's just go with Sprague Cleghorn to complete the second pairing. He can be the team bouncer.

Grant Fuhr in goal, with Ed "billion dollar" Belfour backing him up.

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02-10-2013, 08:26 AM
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One of these days, I'm going to return to the draft and build an ATD party team. Busher Jackson can bartend for the first line, and when he can be bothered, try to work the puck to Phil "Thunder and Lightning" Esposito and Theo Slurry. Would they ever win the puck? Who knows, but they'd have a good time trying!

For the second line, I'd like to go for an all-burnouts unit. Krutov next to pumpkinhead Lindros who I don't think ever took anything other than headache medication, but painkillers will have to do. On the RW, I dunno. For an all-party team, the left wing is actually a much deeper position, which is kinda wierd. I may have to switch a natural LW to the right, like Brendan "all your wife are belong to us" Shanahan.

Third line will be taken directly from the early-70's Bruins. The coach, too.

On the defense, the top pairing will obviously be Doug Harvey and Harry Cameron. After that, it gets kinda tough. An undrafted can play on the second pairing as the team dealer, but after him I can't think of any shady defensemen off the top of my head. Let's just go with Sprague Cleghorn to complete the second pairing. He can be the team bouncer.

Grant Fuhr in goal, with Ed "billion dollar" Belfour backing him up.
don't forget Chelios , he might have been forgotten as a partier because of his long career but he was a nutcase here.

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02-10-2013, 08:30 AM
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I have a list for HawkeyTown. He selects left wing Paul Thompson.

edit: I have pmed vecens and Dreak.

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02-10-2013, 08:49 AM
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I have a list for HawkeyTown. He selects left wing Paul Thompson. ...
That's a nice pick. I think he's the best pre-50s player not in the HHoF. Not looking at all where he was picked/value, he's my pick of the draft.

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02-10-2013, 08:53 AM
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I have a list for HawkeyTown. He selects left wing Paul Thompson.

edit: I have pmed vecens and Dreak.
One of those guys who is good value every year. This feels like the right spit.

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And the award for the slowest couple days of the draft goes to...

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02-10-2013, 09:52 AM
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And the award for the slowest couple days of the draft goes to...
Hey now, JFA and I got through 4 picks in 8 minutes on Saturday night.

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Hey now, JFA and I got through 4 picks in 8 minutes on Saturday night.
yeah but we stalled pretty hard for a weekend after that!

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On the bright side, I believe that was our first skipped pick. 227 picks before one person missed their clock is unheard of for the ATD, and is something to be commended. Let's make it another 227 before out next skipped pick.

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02-10-2013, 11:27 AM
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On the bright side, I believe that was our first skipped pick. 227 picks before one person missed their clock is unheard of for the ATD, and is something to be commended. Let's make it another 227 before out next skipped pick.
Somehow, the fact that it was a trade on the clock that led to the first missed clock is kind of appropriate.

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02-10-2013, 11:32 AM
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Alfredson's goal and assist finishes are surprisingly crappier than I thought.
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Indeed.

Top 10 finishes
Goals: 9, 9, 9
Assists: 8

But he brings intangibles like leadership, hard work, puck recovery and clutch play. He is an all-time great second line glue guy, the third option on a line in the scoring department.
Alfredsson is a balanced scorer who can play the role of playmaker or goal scorer as needed, which is a big part of his value.

Of course his goals or assists finishes will be worse than a similarly talented player who is more biased towards goals or assists. For a balanced offensive player like Alfredsson, points are the only fair thing to look at.

Top 10 points finishes of every post-consolidation NHL right wing drafted since Round 5:

Rick Middelton: 10, 10
Yvon Cournoyer: 6, 8
Bryan Hextall, Sr: 1, 2, 6, 7
Rod Gilbert: 5, 5, 8, 7, 9
Martin St Louis: 1, 2, 5, 6
Mark Recchi: 3, 4, 5, 10
Lanny McDonald: 8, 10
Glenn Anderson: 9
Ilya Kovalchuk (): 2, 5, 6, 8, 10
Ace Bailey: 1, 4, 6
Daniel Alfredsson: 4, 7, 9
Theoren Fleury: 6, 7, 8

Points finishes probably underrate the output of a pure goal scorer like Cournoyer (or Kovalchuk) a little bit, though. And of course, top 10 finishes say nothing about consistency or ability without the puck.

Not everyone can draft Alexander Maltsev in the 160s, MB

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We're going Sergei Gonchar, D.

I was pretty remarkably surprised by his All-Star and Norris voting records:

Norris voting – 4th(2002), 4th(2003), 4th(2008), 5th(2000), 6th(2001), 7th(2007), 9th(2004), 14th(2010)

All-Star voting – 3rd(2003), 4th(2002), 5th(2000), 5th(2008), 6th(2001), 7th(2007), 9th(2004), 12th(1996), 16th(1999), 17th(2010)

Points – 1st(2002), 1st(2004), 2nd(2007), 2nd(2008), 4th(2003), 5th(2001), 6th(2000), 6th(2010), 8th(2006)

He'll QB the PP for the Alaskans.

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We're going Sergei Gonchar, D.

I was pretty remarkably surprised by his All-Star and Norris voting records:

Norris voting – 4th(2002), 4th(2003), 4th(2008), 5th(2000), 6th(2001), 7th(2007), 9th(2004), 14th(2010)

All-Star voting – 3rd(2003), 4th(2002), 5th(2000), 5th(2008), 6th(2001), 7th(2007), 9th(2004), 12th(1996), 16th(1999), 17th(2010)

Points – 1st(2002), 1st(2004), 2nd(2007), 2nd(2008), 4th(2003), 5th(2001), 6th(2000), 6th(2010), 8th(2006)

He'll QB the PP for the Alaskans.
His record is probably boosted a little bit by playing in an era where there's an offensive defensemen bias , but he's still a good choice either way.

Ideally he'll need a very strong defensive defenseman as his partner because in an ATD setting his defensive game will get exposed.

He is an excellant powerplay quarterback , very good choice for this role.

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02-10-2013, 12:03 PM
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His record is probably boosted a little bit by playing in an era where there's an offensive defensemen bias , but he's still a good choice either way.
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His record is boosted a lot, there is no probably about it. IIRC, Gonchar was a #5 defenseman on his own team at even strength in a couple of the years he received Norris and All Star votes from a handful of lazy writers! But he did round out better later in his career.

Great specialist though, and I think if you wanted an offensive ringer from the blueline, he was probably the way to go.

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His record is boosted a lot, there is no probably about it. IIRC, Gonchar was a #5 defenseman on his own team at even strength in a couple of the years he received Norris and All Star votes from a handful of lazy writers! But he did round out better later in his career.

Great specialist though, and I think if you wanted an offensive ringer from the blueline, he was probably the way to go.
I was just trying to be nice

EDIT: wow , guess I catched that post too quickly for your taste lol.

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Got a few I really like right now including this one that I'm not going to pass up.

The Boston Mules select C/D Ebbie Goodfellow


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Got a few I really like right now including this one that I'm not going to pass up.

The Boston Mules select C/D Ebbie Goodfellow

was drafted ages ago

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