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02-10-2013, 09:52 AM
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Is Lars Eller a bust? Almost 24 and cant even crack a line up?
Eller has been playing, what are you talking about?

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Eller was our best centerman. He was 9 and 10.

The rest
Not centres:
Cole 0-5
Pacioretty 0-1
Armstrong 1-0
Gionta 0-1
Prust 2-1



Centres:
Plekanec 4-15
Galchenyuk 2-4
Desharnias 5-10

Being completely serious here. Habs should acquire Steckel. He's great on faceoffs. Leafs don't play him and don't need him anymore,

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Eller needs to be put in Desharnais's spot as fast as possible.

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Leafs fan coming in peace.

My question to you is, why did Therrien leave Price in for the whole game? Is he known for doing that quite often?

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Sad sad game, beaten and beaten up. Honeymoon's over, this team still needs some serious work.

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Therrien got outcoached early and couldn't adjust. Habs got fustrated late in the game and tried to play a game they cant.

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Leafs fan coming in peace.

My question to you is, why did Therrien leave Price in for the whole game? Is he known for doing that quite often?
Probably because Budaj hasn't been very good this season.

So, no one knows why Bourque got a 10 minute misconduct at 19:14 of the 3rd ?

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My question to you is, why did Therrien leave Price in for the whole game? Is he known for doing that quite often?
I think it was a timing issue we didnt get blown out early so he kept Price in and by the 4th goal the team had bigger issues than Price.

Also I'm sure Price knows this loss isn't on him, he was shakey but not at fault.

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Sad sad game, beaten and beaten up. Honeymoon's over, this team still needs some serious work.
Can start by getting rid of Armstrong...

I think Bergevin and Therrien have the right "identity" in mind, but we have a bunch of gutless players. ****ing Kadri had the biggest hit last night. Forget losing 6-0, that's the biggest embarassment of the game.

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02-10-2013, 10:15 AM
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If I was slightly unhinged I'd look up your email, go through your posting history find out where you live and anonymously place smurf lawn decorations in provocative positions all season long.

Then I'd post pictures of you sleeping on the main boards under the title "Phil Kessel: win for the leafs?" And get thousands of views.
As bad as the game was, I feel more violated coming in here and having to deal with giddy "visitors" intentionally and unintentionally ******** all over our board. I know the leash is a lot shorter every where else.

Maybe we need to start a "Do we need a heavyweight mod enforcer?" thread.

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02-10-2013, 10:21 AM
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As I have said many times, this team is a fixer-upper. Based on last night it's apparent the process is just beginning.

Up to now the lack of strength, power, and in some cases even fighting ability has been explained away as being an unneeded luxury the team didn't need to possess to be successful. Some have made it a "size" issue that can be dismissed by the height and weight chart and the use of "averages" to positively compare te Habs to other teams.

If last night's game didn't get your attention to the issue this team has, then nothing will. It was the needed wake up call from an alarm clock that Gainey and Gauthier conveniently pushed the snooze button on for years.

I have long opined that the centre position was severely undersized and skilled, and that should be the team's top priority (even in the face of the Galchenyuk pick, though this helps) but at this point I think that even I miscalculated how beatable this team was in the alley.

People have rejected the pull-the-plug ideas because it throws babies out with the bathwater, throwing likeable (and loyal) players like DD, Plekanec and Gorges (just examples) into trade discussions when it's not evident that those players are directly part of the problem. I think fans need to rethink this for a longer term strategy.

Automobile metaphors are annoying but I am going to risk it here. The GM of the team needs to engineer a winning design and build/acquire the parts that make it a reality. The GaineyGoats approach was to try to build the best thing possible from the parts he was given and had lying around.

Players like DD Gionta, Plekanecs , Gorges etc. are not to blame. Management is.

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02-10-2013, 10:28 AM
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Therrien got outcoached early and couldn't adjust. Habs got fustrated late in the game and tried to play a game they cant.
So, once again the coach and the mismatch of players to strategy is to blame?

Not a chance, the team doesn't have the horses to play any game that any reasonably coached opponent will force it to play.

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02-10-2013, 10:32 AM
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So, once again the coach and the mismatch of players to strategy is to blame?

Not a chance, the team doesn't have the horses to play any game that any reasonably coached opponent will force it to play.
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As I have said many times, this team is a fixer-upper. Based on last night it's apparent the process is just beginning.

Up to now the lack of strength, power, and in some cases even fighting ability has been explained away as being an unneeded luxury the team didn't need to possess to be successful. Some have made it a "size" issue that can be dismissed by the height and weight chart and the use of "averages" to positively compare te Habs to other teams.

If last night's game didn't get your attention to the issue this team has, then nothing will. It was the needed wake up call from an alarm clock that Gainey and Gauthier conveniently pushed the snooze button on for years.

I have long opined that the centre position was severely undersized and skilled, and that should be the team's top priority (even in the face of the Galchenyuk pick, though this helps) but at this point I think that even I miscalculated how beatable this team was in the alley.

People have rejected the pull-the-plug ideas because it throws babies out with the bathwater, throwing likeable (and loyal) players like DD, Plekanec and Gorges (just examples) into trade discussions when it's not evident that those players are directly part of the problem. I think fans need to rethink this for a longer term strategy.

Automobile metaphors are annoying but I am going to risk it here. The GM of the team needs to engineer a winning design and build/acquire the parts that make it a reality. The GaineyGoats approach was to try to build the best thing possible from the parts he was given and had lying around.

Players like DD Gionta, Plekanecs , Gorges etc. are not to blame. Management is.
Oh lord. I bet you've been waiting quietly these 11 games to bust out a post like this. Fact is, outside of the Toronto game, the team has looked pretty good, even for me (I didn't think this team would be as good as they've shown so far). Taken as a totality, last night's game is an outlier, too early to tell if it is the rule or the exceptions (same thing goes for the good play prior to the leafs' game).

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02-10-2013, 10:33 AM
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As bad as the game was, I feel more violated coming in here and having to deal with giddy "visitors" intentionally and unintentionally ******** all over our board. I know the leash is a lot shorter every where else.

Maybe we need to start a "Do we need a heavyweight mod enforcer?" thread.
Our mods have taken the identity of the team. It starts from the top.

I keed I keed

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Leafs fan coming in peace, and surprised by the level of involvement of other Leafs fans in this (and related) thread(s)...

Any Leafs fan gloating over this win needs to remember that this is just one game. Every now and then a team collapses. The Leafs should know, because it happened to them twice against Boston last season, to our lasting embarrassment.

The Habs just weren't clicking last night. I witnessed a lot of good plays that might have led to a goal for the Canadiens if they were calmer with the puck, but it didn't happen. Don't write your team off because of one lousy performance.

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Oh lord. I bet you've been waiting quietly these 11 games to bust out a post like this. Fact is, outside of the Toronto game, the team has looked pretty good, even for me (I didn't think this team would be as good as they've shown so far). Taken as a totality, last night's game is an outlier, too early to tell if it is the rule or the exceptions (same thing goes for the good play prior to the leafs' game).
Wake up. Last night was the extreme demonstration of the problem the team has had for oh, a decade.

If you didn't see a problem in the Boston and Buffalo games, where other teams took over the game almost at will, combine it with the long history of 3rd period letdowns when the team wilted when the other team predictably went on it's "push" to tie or win
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Edit: as for waiting for 11 games you are ridiculous. You have made it your job to hide in the bushes and ambush anyone who has a critical thought about hockey, with not so much as a sniff of logic or idea, just so you can hide your shallowness in the guise of being a more "balanced" or dedicated fan. Instead of trying to stop people from sharing ideas you should stop reading ideas you can't handle or understand.


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Wake up. Last night was the extreme demonstration of the problem the team has had for oh, a decade.

If you didn't see a problem in the Boston and Buffalo games, where other teams took over the game almost at will, combine it with the long history of 3rd period letdowns when the team wilted when the other team predictably went on it's "push" to tie or win
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Boston and Buffalo took over the games at will? The habs were the better team in both games and I don't even need to explain why both opponents were lucky to come out with wins.

I don't think the team is very good on paper, but the Leafs' game is definitely an outlier out of the games the habs have played this season. It sounds more like you wanting to impose the "sky is falling" narrative that you've been trying to impose since you've been here and you've taken this one game as an opportunity to do so. I know it must have been hard waiting 11 games to jump the gun and proclaim the end of the world, but I think you and everyone else need to wait a little longer before we know what kind of team the habs are this year. It may very well be that they end up a crap team, but their play this season has indicated otherwise. Right now, I'm not sold on either aspect, i.e., with those saying we have a playoff team and those saying we are awful.

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Leafs fan coming in peace, and surprised by the level of involvement of other Leafs fans in this (and related) thread(s)...

Any Leafs fan gloating over this win needs to remember that this is just one game. Every now and then a team collapses. The Leafs should know, because it happened to them twice against Boston last season, to our lasting embarrassment.

The Habs just weren't clicking last night. I witnessed a lot of good plays that might have led to a goal for the Canadiens if they were calmer with the puck, but it didn't happen. Don't write your team off because of one lousy performance.

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try obnoxiousness. anyway appreciate your assessment and i agree

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As I have said many times, this team is a fixer-upper. Based on last night it's apparent the process is just beginning.

Up to now the lack of strength, power, and in some cases even fighting ability has been explained away as being an unneeded luxury the team didn't need to possess to be successful. Some have made it a "size" issue that can be dismissed by the height and weight chart and the use of "averages" to positively compare te Habs to other teams.

If last night's game didn't get your attention to the issue this team has, then nothing will. It was the needed wake up call from an alarm clock that Gainey and Gauthier conveniently pushed the snooze button on for years.

I have long opined that the centre position was severely undersized and skilled, and that should be the team's top priority (even in the face of the Galchenyuk pick, though this helps) but at this point I think that even I miscalculated how beatable this team was in the alley.

People have rejected the pull-the-plug ideas because it throws babies out with the bathwater, throwing likeable (and loyal) players like DD, Plekanec and Gorges (just examples) into trade discussions when it's not evident that those players are directly part of the problem. I think fans need to rethink this for a longer term strategy.

Automobile metaphors are annoying but I am going to risk it here. The GM of the team needs to engineer a winning design and build/acquire the parts that make it a reality. The GaineyGoats approach was to try to build the best thing possible from the parts he was given and had lying around.

Players like DD Gionta, Plekanecs , Gorges etc. are not to blame. Management is.
I'm convinced the Habs will 'pull-the-plug'. I think these games are just an evaluation process of the assets on hand...essentially the exact same team as last season (Gallagher+Galchenyuk+Prust aside). He always talks about building through the draft, witnessed first hand the Hawks rise to the cup after Toews/Kane with Dudley, and praises Timmins draft history (not perfect but impressive as a whole).

I think it's only a question of when he thinks it's time to dump veterans like Gionta/Cole/Kaberle etc and making bold moves like possibly dumping DD and other 'core' for players that fit his idea of a contender.

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I want to add one more thing I noticed at the Bell Center last night:

Habs chicks are wayyyyy hotter then leafs chicks...And it's not even close

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Therrien got outcoached early and couldn't adjust. Habs got fustrated late in the game and tried to play a game they cant.
Therrien doesn't seem to be adjusting well when his gameplan is broken, third period vs bruins last Wednesday was a good example.

I found it funny many Habs' fans' relief when we let Gomez go and at the same time their excitement about Gallagher coming in. Character remains small players ("with heart"), and seems we'll not change all that much.

Can still win games but when passion arrives and the gloves drop our boys will get rogered by a team like Toronto.

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Habs must've got blitzed friday night at the bars, it's not even about toughness or the usual bs, they couldn't even complete basic passes to transition out of zone it was like it was their first time on the ice in a year.

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As I have said many times, this team is a fixer-upper. Based on last night it's apparent the process is just beginning.

Up to now the lack of strength, power, and in some cases even fighting ability has been explained away as being an unneeded luxury the team didn't need to possess to be successful. Some have made it a "size" issue that can be dismissed by the height and weight chart and the use of "averages" to positively compare te Habs to other teams.

If last night's game didn't get your attention to the issue this team has, then nothing will. It was the needed wake up call from an alarm clock that Gainey and Gauthier conveniently pushed the snooze button on for years.

I have long opined that the centre position was severely undersized and skilled, and that should be the team's top priority (even in the face of the Galchenyuk pick, though this helps) but at this point I think that even I miscalculated how beatable this team was in the alley.

People have rejected the pull-the-plug ideas because it throws babies out with the bathwater, throwing likeable (and loyal) players like DD, Plekanec and Gorges (just examples) into trade discussions when it's not evident that those players are directly part of the problem. I think fans need to rethink this for a longer term strategy.

Automobile metaphors are annoying but I am going to risk it here. The GM of the team needs to engineer a winning design and build/acquire the parts that make it a reality. The GaineyGoats approach was to try to build the best thing possible from the parts he was given and had lying around.

Players like DD Gionta, Plekanecs , Gorges etc. are not to blame. Management is.
I would usually say ''typical post, lose badly and all hell breaks loose'', however I know this has been your opinion for a long time.

That being said, I don't think judging the team after a horrible performance is credible, just like doing it after everything clicked on the ice.

I don't follow trade proposal threads, they are useless, so I don't know the general opinion of the board, but I don't think anybody would have a problem trading Plekanec or DD or Gorges for bigger better players. Easier said than done though. I don't have any interest in trading them for 2nd round draft picks.

But like I said, yesterday wasn't a good indication, everybody played poorly, couldn't make a decent pass, it was just bad. But I'm also pretty sure this team is far from what Bergevin and Therrien have in mind. Bergevin said so when he took over, ''there's a lot of work to be done''. Won't happen in one off season though..


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Can start by getting rid of Armstrong...

I think Bergevin and Therrien have the right "identity" in mind, but we have a bunch of gutless players. ****ing Kadri had the biggest hit last night. Forget losing 6-0, that's the biggest embarassment of the game.
I am not impressed by Armstrong, but being patient and hoping for the best.

Was the most painful Habs game to watch since that time the bruins beat us in like five fights, Spacek got pummelled even. Ouch.

I hate fighting in hockey it's insane but as it's part of the sport we need to fight a lot better.

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Therrien doesn't seem to be adjusting well when his gameplan is broken, third period vs bruins last Wednesday was a good example.

I found it funny many Habs' fans' relief when we let Gomez go and at the same time their excitement about Gallagher coming in. Character remains small players ("with heart"), and seems we'll not change all that much.
When a website didgallagherscore.com pops up, then we will know nothing has changed.

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