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02-10-2013, 11:45 AM
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Man the more I see of the Habs centres the more I hope the Habs find a way to trade for O'Rielly. He's a face-off specialist, very very strong defensively and can put up some points. A Patrice Bergeron-type player. I'm not sure what his upside is offensively - probably like Pleks 60-70 pts, but it is everything else he brings to the game. Habs need a player like him.

Pleks, O'Rielly, Galchenyuk is a very solid top 3 with better size and skill. DD can either move to the wing, or back to the 4th line. We don't have any quality centres coming up.

I really don't expect it to happen, but ROR is an organizational need.
Eller has the potential to do the same. He has been playing very well since MT sat him. Was one of our few good players last night with Pleky.

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I'd be interested in Brian Boyle right now, he's been getting scratched with the Rangers and played very well with Prust in NYR. He's solid defensively and on faceoffs and loves to throw his weight around.

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02-10-2013, 01:09 PM
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Man the more I see of the Habs centres the more I hope the Habs find a way to trade for O'Rielly. He's a face-off specialist, very very strong defensively and can put up some points. A Patrice Bergeron-type player. I'm not sure what his upside is offensively - probably like Pleks 60-70 pts, but it is everything else he brings to the game. Habs need a player like him.

Pleks, O'Rielly, Galchenyuk is a very solid top 3 with better size and skill. DD can either move to the wing, or back to the 4th line. We don't have any quality centres coming up.

I really don't expect it to happen, but ROR is an organizational need.
ROR would be a great addition. I don't consider him coming to Montreal a possibility because of our lack of cap space, and because of Bergevin's similar contract dispute with Subban. The trade or offer sheet will have to involve a team that doesn't mind spending ~$5mil/yr on a second contract.

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02-10-2013, 02:15 PM
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Eller has the potential to do the same. He has been playing very well since MT sat him. Was one of our few good players last night with Pleky.
I'm a big fan of Eller, but there's no chance he vere becomes as good defensively as Radar is right now.

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02-10-2013, 02:41 PM
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At this point we got crushed by toronto and as fans we are upset. I think we need to look at the future and present to make our team stroner and better. Prust was a good acuisition but we had guys like moen and armstrong that do f all to protect the team. I hope bergevin will be able to make some huge trades to make this team a scary elite team to play against. We have talented players and if we are looking out of a playoff picture i hope we will be selling.

Although i do dream of drafting Jones and zadarov lol. Our defense would be scary!!

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02-10-2013, 04:14 PM
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I'm a big fan of Eller, but there's no chance he vere becomes as good defensively as Radar is right now.
When RoR was drafted no one thought he'd become as good as he is. Things change for better, or worse.

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If you had to give up a young RH defenseman in a package deal would it be Morgan Ellis, Greg Pateryn or Darren Dietz and why.

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If you had to give up a young RH defenseman in a package deal would it be Morgan Ellis, Greg Pateryn or Darren Dietz and why.
Thrower, because no one is more deserving.

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If you had to give up a young RH defenseman in a package deal would it be Morgan Ellis, Greg Pateryn or Darren Dietz and why.
Depends on who we're getting in return. Are we talking O'Reilly?

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I'd like to trade with Winnipeg for Little. With Scheiffele coming on board for them next year, they'll have to move somebody and he's the most redundant. Leblanc, plus either a 2nd or a prospect should be enough. A 30 goal - 50 point winger/centre not that physical but versatile and good enough to be a 2nd line winger for either Pleks or Eller.

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02-10-2013, 06:33 PM
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Avs desperately need defense. Something like Eller and a defender might get it done - but not Weber or Kaberle. I'm not sure it's a good idea to take one step back somewhere else just for ROR. I don't think ROR will be nearly as good as Bergeron, or even Plekanec offensively, but he probably would be more valuable to use than Eller.
I was looking at their line-up & they are deathly thin in skilled talent on the blueline outside of EJ. A lot of defensive defenseman. Diaz is cheap and skilled and not that old. We also have a 2nd that we could give up (rumours are they want a 2nd). I really doubt it happens but it is a nice dream.

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02-10-2013, 07:47 PM
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I've been giving the trade route a little thought,as a solution to building a bigger, stronger,skilled while still speedy team.I keep coming back to trading personnel for draft picks as the only solution.UFA's are costly and the Habs would have to make sure someone is off the books before signing a usually costly UFA.Trading a smaller veteran for a bigger player with likewise talent doesn't happen,so draft picks are the option left. This gives the team an opportunity to choose the type of player with the upside deemed necessary and the time to train the player.Without the Salary Cap coming into the equation until the player has reached or is reaching his potential.This of course depends also on the management feeling the same way as most of their fans about size and strength being important as well as talent and speed.Given that everyone is on the same page,then there is an opportunity to move ahead finally instead of spinning the Habs tires for another decade.There will be no quick fix for the Habs,if there is then I believe they are doomed to fail once again.That's going to be once too often for this old codger (almost 60) and much to my chagrin,hockey may as well just go the way of the Dodo bird as far as I'm concerned.Between the lockouts,failing franchises the refereeing and the backdoor Gifts that knowledgeable fans are more than aware of Jacobs,Burke,Bettman & Campbell,I had more than a gutful of your disrespectful Bull.


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02-10-2013, 08:56 PM
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^^^^We can all be quick on the triger. At the same time, wen you haven't won a cup in 20 years, patients runs tin with fans. 24 cup(s), We missed the playoffs like how many times since 93?
Anyways, TT has done a good job and let's hope that MB surpassed expectation. The habs have a good core, but perhaps changing some of the core could help. But I would like for us to land a star player and who wouldn't.
The way I look at it, habs have to many of the same type of player. So as a fans it's a matter of preference.
PLayers I think the habs could get fair values for are:
Diaz/Yemelin/Eller/Cole/Prust/Moen/Gionta/White/Weber/DD/Gorges

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02-10-2013, 09:37 PM
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^^^^We can all be quick on the triger. At the same time, wen you haven't won a cup in 20 years, patients runs tin with fans. 24 cup(s), We missed the playoffs like how many times since 93?
Anyways, TT has done a good job and let's hope that MB surpassed expectation. The habs have a good core, but perhaps changing some of the core could help. But I would like for us to land a star player and who wouldn't.
The way I look at it, habs have to many of the same type of player. So as a fans it's a matter of preference.
PLayers I think the habs could get fair values for are:
Diaz/Yemelin/Eller/Cole/Prust/Moen/Gionta/White/Weber/DD/Gorges
Going off what you're saying here, I have to say I agree for the most part. Some of those guys are worth keeping, but of course, once the right deal comes along, you need to trade quality to get quality, however, of those guys I wouldn't think about trading at all are:

Emelin:Hitting machine, should only get better, as bad as he was against the leafs, his puck handling and outlet passing has been vastly improved. For a big hitter he has very good mobility.
Gorges:Great stay at home D who would be way more effective if we had a better D core/The guy is the future captain, he's cut from the cloth of former habs leaders, even if he isn't as good
Prust:Is the ideal 4th liner for us. He doesn't take bad penalties, good teammate,etc

These are the guys who fill out a team. A lot of people erroneously think that trading away these types of players doesn't matter because they are not elite players but each of these guys have tons of character and more importantly they are very good role players. When it comes time for a team to have their shot at contention, when their "window" opens, its not just about having your stars going. It's about giving them the support system they need to play to their level.

So where Elite players/Core Players are definitely more important pieces to the puzzle, you still need the other pieces to complete the puzzle. So say the habs trade those guys off, and they eventually start amassing some good top end talent on their main roster, they still need to make sure those guys are supported, and then we would have threads and discussions about where we can find a 4th line fighter who can play (Prust) or a big hitting, shot blocking D with size (Emelin), etc. It seems backwards, but keeping these guys around, especially since they are still youngish, makes completing that puzzle way easier than shipping them out and finding them all over again.

Some of the guys we have are useful to a contending team (Gionta, Cole) or they don't really fit our style under MT or going forward under MB, even though they are talented (Diaz, DD) So IMO they should be shipped out for picks and prospects that fit the new mold. If we shed the fat and we shed what doesn't fit us, we get back value in picks, prospects, and players that do fit us. It helps our cap, it helps our team make up, and it helps our future. It allows us to dictate our own division of roles between top6/bottom 6 and our Dcore and sort of gives us a 'fresh start' without "blowing it up". Pac, PK, GallyA, GallyB, Price, Plek, Markov, Gorges, Emelin are all solid pieces that we can keep and improve on, so shedding the fat won't cripple our team in the now in terms of talent and starpower. That is how we get a true culture change.

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02-10-2013, 10:03 PM
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02-11-2013, 01:33 AM
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I'd be interested in Brian Boyle right now, he's been getting scratched with the Rangers and played very well with Prust in NYR. He's solid defensively and on faceoffs and loves to throw his weight around.
That's a good idea, never thought about him. He was great in the playoffs last year against the Senators. Boyle for Moen.

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Thrower, because no one is more deserving.
Why Dalton Thrower?

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A couple small proposals that would help bring a bit more size/grit and depth to the lineup.

To Montreal: Shane O'Brien
To Colorado: Tomas Kaberle

Reasoning: Colorado's powerplay is terrible and Shane O'Brien hasn't been playing much this year, he's not a great defenseman but he'd be a nice #7 to play against teams like Toronto/Boston. Downside with O'Brien he's signed for 2 more years after this but a change of scenery might help him out.

To Montreal: Brian Boyle
To NYR: Yannick Weber and 4th round pick

Reasoning: Montreal could use a big defensive centre who can help win faceoffs on the fourth line and help our PK, Boyle has struggled this year but has been great with Prust in the past. Weber can help out the Rangers bottom pairing as guys like Stralman and Eminger have struggled for them this year.

Bourque - Plekanec - Gionta
Eller - Desharnais - Cole
Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Gallagher
Prust - Boyle - Moen
White/Armstrong

Markov - Emelin
Gorges - Subban
Bouillon - Diaz
O'Brien

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Avs desperately need defense. Something like Eller and a defender might get it done - but not Weber or Kaberle. I'm not sure it's a good idea to take one step back somewhere else just for ROR. I don't think ROR will be nearly as good as Bergeron, or even Plekanec offensively, but he probably would be more valuable to use than Eller.
Offensive or defensive D?
Id be willing to give either Diaz or Emelin + Eller fo ROR.

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I would trade for Brian Boyle.

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Going off what you're saying here, I have to say I agree for the most part. Some of those guys are worth keeping, but of course, once the right deal comes along, you need to trade quality to get quality, however, of those guys I wouldn't think about trading at all are:

Emelin:Hitting machine, should only get better, as bad as he was against the leafs, his puck handling and outlet passing has been vastly improved. For a big hitter he has very good mobility.
Gorges:Great stay at home D who would be way more effective if we had a better D core/The guy is the future captain, he's cut from the cloth of former habs leaders, even if he isn't as good
Prust:Is the ideal 4th liner for us. He doesn't take bad penalties, good teammate,etc

These are the guys who fill out a team. A lot of people erroneously think that trading away these types of players doesn't matter because they are not elite players but each of these guys have tons of character and more importantly they are very good role players. When it comes time for a team to have their shot at contention, when their "window" opens, its not just about having your stars going. It's about giving them the support system they need to play to their level.

So where Elite players/Core Players are definitely more important pieces to the puzzle, you still need the other pieces to complete the puzzle. So say the habs trade those guys off, and they eventually start amassing some good top end talent on their main roster, they still need to make sure those guys are supported, and then we would have threads and discussions about where we can find a 4th line fighter who can play (Prust) or a big hitting, shot blocking D with size (Emelin), etc. It seems backwards, but keeping these guys around, especially since they are still youngish, makes completing that puzzle way easier than shipping them out and finding them all over again.

Some of the guys we have are useful to a contending team (Gionta, Cole) or they don't really fit our style under MT or going forward under MB, even though they are talented (Diaz, DD) So IMO they should be shipped out for picks and prospects that fit the new mold. If we shed the fat and we shed what doesn't fit us, we get back value in picks, prospects, and players that do fit us. It helps our cap, it helps our team make up, and it helps our future. It allows us to dictate our own division of roles between top6/bottom 6 and our Dcore and sort of gives us a 'fresh start' without "blowing it up". Pac, PK, GallyA, GallyB, Price, Plek, Markov, Gorges, Emelin are all solid pieces that we can keep and improve on, so shedding the fat won't cripple our team in the now in terms of talent and starpower. That is how we get a true culture change.
Well put, cause that's what I was thinking. The only difference in my thinking is that we have tones of picks this coming draft so draft picks aren't what I would look for.
Few players mention here that I would love to get on this roaster:

Boyles-Big defensive center who can fight, plays big, team 1st kind of guy.

Matt Kassian-Big strong boy who will, can and win fights good 13th forward

ROR-the best player mention around that wouldn't come cheap, but I bet there's a move to be made

Marco Scandella-Big Defender with mixed skills, not sure what the price could be.

Justin Falk-Big boy, young, with shutdown potential, I would rather have him then Weber for #7-8 on the depth chart

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Offensive or defensive D?
Id be willing to give either Diaz or Emelin + Eller fo ROR.
That's pricy if you ask me. Eller's value has alwways been there and with the past week or so, it has done nothing but going up.
Low ball offer like Diaz+prospect or Emelin plus prospect could get the talks going. The only problem I have in moving Emelin is that he brings a different set of skills that only Tinordi brings in the depth chart.

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Depends on who we're getting in return. Are we talking O'Reilly?
These guys are all average prospects. You aren't going to get an established NHLer with them at the centre of the deal.

Give your head a shake.

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When RoR was drafted no one thought he'd become as good as he is. Things change for better, or worse.
That's the truth, no one expected him to be this good (well to be fair maybe Rick Pracey who had him in his top 10 going in the draft) defensively before the draft, but after 20+ games in the NHL it was pretty obvious he's going to be a special player when it comes to defensive side of the game. After that no one doubted in his defensive game, his offensive game was the question mark.

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Andrei markov to st.louis for david perron and 1st round pick.

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