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02-07-2013, 02:03 PM
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I'm not sure where DD's talent can lead him, but what I do know is that if Cole and Pacioretty were working as hard as he is since 3-4 games, nobody would talk about that.

Despite his 5 points, I find Pacioretty pretty invisible, and Cole seems absolutly uninterested on the ice. Last year, he was driving the puck to the net on almost every shift, which gave DD and Pac a lot of opportunities. Cole is the key to this line's success.

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02-07-2013, 03:56 PM
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I'm not sure where DD's talent can lead him, but what I do know is that if Cole and Pacioretty were working as hard as he is since 3-4 games, nobody would talk about that.

Despite his 5 points, I find Pacioretty pretty invisible, and Cole seems absolutly uninterested on the ice. Last year, he was driving the puck to the net on almost every shift, which gave DD and Pac a lot of opportunities. Cole is the key to this line's success.
Cole to me still looks in preseason form, hasn't regained his skating stride. His skating was a big asset last year. He's at the same spot he was last year minus preseason so I'm not worried yet.

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02-07-2013, 04:20 PM
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I'm not sure where DD's talent can lead him, but what I do know is that if Cole and Pacioretty were working as hard as he is since 3-4 games, nobody would talk about that.

Despite his 5 points, I find Pacioretty pretty invisible, and Cole seems absolutly uninterested on the ice. Last year, he was driving the puck to the net on almost every shift, which gave DD and Pac a lot of opportunities. Cole is the key to this line's success.
Yes. DD has played well for 3 games now. I don't understand why people
though he played poorly against Boston. He often controlled the puck on the
boards, he got to the front of the net, and he made some nice passes.

It is the wingers that are the problem !

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02-08-2013, 11:30 AM
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Yes. DD has played well for 3 games now. I don't understand why people
though he played poorly against Boston. He often controlled the puck on the
boards, he got to the front of the net, and he made some nice passes.

It is the wingers that are the problem !
Of course...it's the wingers.

So it would be fair to say that DD last prodcutive season was due to Cole and Pacioretty, right?

The DD line got the top minutes in PP in the last three games.
Not a single point from DD....and the PP start to look weak now (2 in 14 in the last three games)

This line is -2 last night.

Cole got 25 hits so far....best forward on the team , create time and space for others.
Pacioretty got 6 points in 6 games, 4 of them with a certain Markov involved.

We talked about two good snipers....who's feeding them?
DD is a playmaker right?

2 passes in 10 games (And both on the PP).....Prust got as much.

Cole and Pacioretty are +1
How come DD is -2 playing with those guys?

Cole had a lot of good year in the NHL.
Pacioretty is first round who produce as well with Gomez and Gionta than this line.

But still....DD got the benefits of the doubts compare to BOTH of them
And you don't know why poeple talk negatively about DD?

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02-09-2013, 10:25 PM
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DD was horrible tonight, yes everyone was horrible tonight but hes generating ****.

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02-09-2013, 10:28 PM
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When he's not playing left-over minutes, he's not a centre. I'm not saying he's not an NHL player, but he's not a top2 centre on a good team. Either ship his ass to the wing or ship his ass to the Western conference because we have a log-jam of mediocre and he does not fit.

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02-10-2013, 07:05 AM
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He's ****ing embarrassing, I'm so sick of seeing him stop and try and poke at the puck instead of going into the boards and trying to take a hit to get the puck. So ****ing soft and terrible defensively.

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02-10-2013, 07:51 AM
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Of course...it's the wingers.

So it would be fair to say that DD last prodcutive season was due to Cole and Pacioretty, right?

The DD line got the top minutes in PP in the last three games.
Not a single point from DD....and the PP start to look weak now (2 in 14 in the last three games)

This line is -2 last night.

Cole got 25 hits so far....best forward on the team , create time and space for others.
Pacioretty got 6 points in 6 games, 4 of them with a certain Markov involved.

We talked about two good snipers....who's feeding them?
DD is a playmaker right?

2 passes in 10 games (And both on the PP).....Prust got as much.

Cole and Pacioretty are +1
How come DD is -2 playing with those guys?

Cole had a lot of good year in the NHL.
Pacioretty is first round who produce as well with Gomez and Gionta than this line.

But still....DD got the benefits of the doubts compare to BOTH of them
And you don't know why poeple talk negatively about DD?
The whole line is the problem. They ****ing suck.

The only guys that should really stay together right now are;

Bourque - Plekanec and Galchenyuk-Gallagher.

Every other forward on this team is playing like garbage (except Prust but he really should be a 4th liner).

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02-10-2013, 10:02 AM
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When he's not playing left-over minutes, he's not a centre. I'm not saying he's not an NHL player, but he's not a top2 centre on a good team. Either ship his ass to the wing or ship his ass to the Western conference because we have a log-jam of mediocre and he does not fit.
thank you you cant win with him a top 6 forward

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02-10-2013, 10:04 AM
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I thought he's played better than he was during the start of the season. However, I think it's now time to mix things up because it clearly isn't working anymore.

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02-10-2013, 10:11 AM
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16 goals allowed by the habs at 5 on 5 so far.
DD was on the ice for 9 of them....and he's playing about only 15 minutes a games and not against top offensive line.

We may bench White for making two mistakes.
We may bench Eller for one bad game.

But what about the guys that make mistakes in 90% on the games?

I know, i know.....the effort is there. We can't blame him on that.
DD gave it all on the ice.

But that's even more scary, cause if the effort is there....well, it means that he won't getr any better!

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02-10-2013, 11:00 AM
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16 goals allowed by the habs at 5 on 5 so far.
DD was on the ice for 9 of them....and he's playing about only 15 minutes a games and not against top offensive line.

We may bench White for making two mistakes.
We may bench Eller for one bad game.

But what about the guys that make mistakes in 90% on the games?

I know, i know.....the effort is there. We can't blame him on that.
DD gave it all on the ice.

But that's even more scary, cause if the effort is there....well, it means that he won't getr any better!
Thats a messed up stat

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02-10-2013, 11:16 AM
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16 goals allowed by the habs at 5 on 5 so far.
DD was on the ice for 9 of them....and he's playing about only 15 minutes a games and not against top offensive line.

We may bench White for making two mistakes.
We may bench Eller for one bad game.

But what about the guys that make mistakes in 90% on the games?

I know, i know.....the effort is there. We can't blame him on that.
DD gave it all on the ice.

But that's even more scary, cause if the effort is there....well, it means that he won't getr any better!
Price and Budaj have combined for about a .865 SV% when Desharnais (.860%) and Pacioretty (.872%) on the ice. Markov (.890%) isn't much higher at this point either.

That is ridiculously low and won't keep up. That's the kind of stat-line that 4th line grinders like George Parros have.

Another example is Mike Richards. Right now he's sitting pretty at -6 while his goalies have posted a .784 SV% while he's on the ice. Richards is generally considered a very solid two-way player.

Again, no way the SV% stays that low.

Plekanec has been on the ice for 8 ESGA and Markov for 9 ESGA as well.

For comparison sake, only three players finished below .900 on the team last year, and only two guys who played more than 25 games. Dumont finished with a .750, but that was only 3 games. Could have been something like 3 saves on 4 shots. Gionta (.894) and Emelin (.897), where the only others.

Basically, it's an oddity to this point. Just like Price/Budaj have combined for a 1.000 SV% while Ryan White & Yannick Weber have been on the ice.

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02-10-2013, 11:43 AM
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Price and Budaj have combined for about a .865 SV% when Desharnais (.860%) and Pacioretty (.872%) on the ice. Markov (.890%) isn't much higher at this point either.

That is ridiculously low and won't keep up. That's the kind of stat-line that 4th line grinders like George Parros have.

Another example is Mike Richards. Right now he's sitting pretty at -6 while his goalies have posted a .784 SV% while he's on the ice. Richards is generally considered a very solid two-way player.

Again, no way the SV% stays that low.

Plekanec has been on the ice for 8 ESGA and Markov for 9 ESGA as well.

For comparison sake, only three players finished below .900 on the team last year, and only two guys who played more than 25 games. Dumont finished with a .750, but that was only 3 games. Could have been something like 3 saves on 4 shots. Gionta (.894) and Emelin (.897), where the only others.

Basically, it's an oddity to this point. Just like Price/Budaj have combined for a 1.000 SV% while Ryan White & Yannick Weber have been on the ice.
For Plekanec and Markov, i noticed that too.....but both are playing 20 to 25 minutes a game and against the top offensive line!!!!
And at least, both are producing offensively!!!

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02-10-2013, 11:54 AM
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For Plekanec and Markov, i noticed that too.....but both are playing 20 to 25 minutes a game and against the top offensive line!!!!
And at least, both are producing offensively!!!
Yup, there's no excuse for his poor offensive production (or the line as a whole, in fact). Although, one big game and his production is right back on track. I think they really need to be split up or just get really lucky.

But like I said, the SV% is an oddity and won't stick.

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02-10-2013, 04:08 PM
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Whether he plays well or he plays poorly, DD as a top 2 line centerman is not sustainable. Even when he was playing last year you could see that he would not last at this clip. He playued with the two biggest, best wingers on the team. Got easy minutes, terrible at faceoffs and got pushed around easily...lost many board battles (due to his size, not his fault). None of this is surprising. I wanted him traded last year. Now he has lost value and will garner nothing more than a mid/late draft pick.

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Whether he plays well or he plays poorly, DD as a top 2 line centerman is not sustainable. Even when he was playing last year you could see that he would not last at this clip. He playued with the two biggest, best wingers on the team. Got easy minutes, terrible at faceoffs and got pushed around easily...lost many board battles (due to his size, not his fault). None of this is surprising. I wanted him traded last year. Now he has lost value and will garner nothing more than a mid/late draft pick.
I don't care. Trade him for anything. ANYTHING. I can't watch him anymore. Too many manlets on this team!

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I guess its time for an "I told you so" post..

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02-10-2013, 04:36 PM
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I can't watch this guy on the ice anymore.

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I don't care. Trade him for anything. ANYTHING. I can't watch him anymore. Too many manlets on this team!
I think the hardest part is last year there were many here who thought he was a legit #1 center and that we should trade Pleks.

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02-10-2013, 05:01 PM
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i want to see Pacioretty with Galchenyuk

the future is with Galchenyuk, we draft him to be our first line center, our best winger is Pacioretty ( maybe not right now, but he is first line winger )

Those tow guys gonna play together soon or later, so why not now

put Eller or Prust with DD

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If he can't make it as a winger on the top 6 he's basically a PP specialist 3rd or 4th liner.

Last year it was Pacioretty and Cole carrying the load which enabled DD lots of space so he can set them up. This year., Cole has lost a step and the whole line is out of sync. DD can't pick up the slack because he was relying too much on them.

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I'd like to see Eller with Cole and Pacioretty. He's been playing well on the fourth line.

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I think the hardest part is last year there were many here who thought he was a legit #1 center and that we should trade Pleks.
lol yeah I recall this..

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I honestly don't see the big deal on DD's game this year... his wingers have like 2 goals, and it's obviously the whole enchilada of his playmaking *plus* the power winger duo that made the line so good last year. It could still be like that. It just needs everybody going, which means Cole and Pacioretty getting goals. DD is a good/smart little player, but we already knew he was going to need complementary wingers... didn't we?

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