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02-10-2013, 01:23 PM
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Gillis won't give the twins a 2 yr deal, he'll max out their contracts as it'll be their last before they're 35+, I imagine both will be given a 5 yr front loaded deal and then everyone will just go with it

does everyone forget that they're only 32?
I hope he doesn't sign them at a high cap hit until they're 38.

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02-10-2013, 01:28 PM
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I hope he doesn't sign them at a high cap hit until they're 38.
It will likely take a deal that takes them to 37 or 38 to keep them around. There are a ton of other teams that will be lining up to offer that and more. Would you really rather let them go for nothing?

The only chance we have of signing them to a shorter deal is if they have a retirement age in mind already because they want to go back and play in Sweden or something.

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02-10-2013, 01:33 PM
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It will likely take a deal that takes them to 37 or 38 to keep them around. There are a ton of other teams that will be lining up to offer that and more. Would you really rather let them go for nothing?

The only chance we have of signing them to a shorter deal is if they have a retirement age in mind already because they want to go back and play in Sweden or something.
Then letting them go is a better option than signing bad contracts long-term. How do you feel about paying $12M to two 40-60 point players in a couple years?

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02-10-2013, 01:35 PM
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Then letting them go is a better option than signing bad contracts long-term. How do you feel about paying $12M to two 40-60 point players in a couple years?
Better than I feel about missing the playoffs because we have nobody to replace them. We'll turn into the prime example of mediocrity — not good enough to compete in the playoffs, not bad enough to get a Top 10 pick.

I doubt Sedins sink below 65-70 points until they're 38+.

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02-10-2013, 01:39 PM
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Better than I feel about missing the playoffs because we have nobody to replace them.
If we haven't won a Cup by the time they hit UFA then our best chance to win a Cup would have already come and gone. Signing them long-term to big contracts again just prolongs the inevitable. They aren't playoff players, and I don't expect that's something that will develop now at this stage.

Like Gillis cut ties with Naslund, Ohlund, Mitchell, and Salo when the time came I anticipate the same will be said for the Sedins.

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02-10-2013, 01:42 PM
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^ Sign and trade lol.

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02-10-2013, 01:45 PM
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If we haven't won a Cup by the time they hit UFA then our best chance to win a Cup would have already come and gone. Signing them long-term to big contracts again just prolongs the inevitable. They aren't playoff players, and I don't expect that's something that will develop now at this stage.

Like Gillis cut ties with Naslund, Ohlund, Mitchell, and Salo when the time came I anticipate the same will be said for the Sedins.
You lack vision. You couldn't see how Kassian could possibly be ready to play in the top 6 either... I wish someone was keeping score.

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02-10-2013, 01:49 PM
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You lack vision. You couldn't see how Kassian could possibly be ready to play in the top 6 either... I wish someone was keeping score.
Kassian? That 4th line scrub

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02-10-2013, 06:08 PM
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Well, going into a $64 million cap last time, Brad Richards got $6.7 million per year taking him until he is 40. Erik Cole got the exact same deal as Alex Burrows (covering the same ages) and to that point he had broken 60 points once. Ville Leino and Tomas Fleischmann got $4.5 million on long term deals and each had broken 40 points once.

Even if the Canucks get the Sedins at $5-$5.5 million on a short term deal (2-3 years), they're taking a paycut and a pretty hefty one at that.
"so how about instead of $6m/y we give you each $4m per and $2m+2m per to your favourite children's hospital. you can hand over the cheque"

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If we haven't won a Cup by the time they hit UFA then our best chance to win a Cup would have already come and gone. Signing them long-term to big contracts again just prolongs the inevitable. They aren't playoff players, and I don't expect that's something that will develop now at this stage.

Like Gillis cut ties with Naslund, Ohlund, Mitchell, and Salo when the time came I anticipate the same will be said for the Sedins.
that only makes sense if you have someone better to replace them with.

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02-10-2013, 06:13 PM
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that only makes sense if you have someone better to replace them with.
Gaborik+Heatley> Sedins

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The twins have another 4 or 5 years left of what we're seeing this year and last imo.

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Gaborik+Heatley> Sedins
I think it's Ovechkin and MPS that the Pauser Scouting Bureau are pushing for now.

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It will likely take a deal that takes them to 37 or 38 to keep them around. There are a ton of other teams that will be lining up to offer that and more. Would you really rather let them go for nothing?

The only chance we have of signing them to a shorter deal is if they have a retirement age in mind already because they want to go back and play in Sweden or something.
Botch said yesterday the Sedins want to do 1 year contracts every year until they retire (Gillis is salivating) and that the only thing that might be in the way is whether their agent will let them.

0% chance they leave Vancouver before they retire.

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Botch said yesterday the Sedins want to do 1 year contracts every year until they retire (Gillis is salivating) and that the only thing that might be in the way is whether their agent will let them.
LOL. Botch is aware that their agent works for them, right?

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02-10-2013, 07:18 PM
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LOL. Botch is aware that their agent works for them, right?
You're forgetting this is Botch. Botch is a freaking idiot.

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LOL. Botch is aware that their agent works for them, right?

An agent still has to advise his clients as to the best course of action. Part of agency in general.



Switch gears: Looking at the roster, and the Gilman mentioning Kesler may be moved to wing, the number 1 organizational need is centremen. We have Gaunce, so that's a good start. Mallet may also follow, but obviously a less than sure option. So we need more prospects to complete the depth at that position. Any Luongo trade would have to return a C prospect. Beyond that, I think the team will target another C prospect at the draft. Have to start building that position from within...

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An agent still has to advise his clients as to the best course of action. Part of agency in general.



Switch gears: Looking at the roster, and the Gilman mentioning Kesler may be moved to wing, the number 1 organizational need is centremen. We have Gaunce, so that's a good start. Mallet may also follow, but obviously a less than sure option. So we need more prospects to complete the depth at that position. Any Luongo trade would have to return a C prospect. Beyond that, I think the team will target another C prospect at the draft. Have to start building that position from within...
Gaunce looks good and could slot into a 3rd line NHL role someday but that's nothing. Remember when Rodin was going to be a 2nd line winger? or Andersson was going to be the next 'Edler'.

I hope Gillis gets us a #1 center prospect in the off season. I would love a Ryan Johansen but that'll be tough to pry him out of Columbus and get Loungo to go there..

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LOL. Botch is aware that their agent works for them, right?
Right, but an agent has a lot of leverage when it comes to advising clients. I'm sure "let" is just a figure of speech in this instance.

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Gaunce looks good and could slot into a 3rd line NHL role someday but that's nothing. Remember when Rodin was going to be a 2nd line winger? or Andersson was going to be the next 'Edler'.

I hope Gillis gets us a #1 center prospect in the off season. I would love a Ryan Johansen but that'll be tough to pry him out of Columbus and get Loungo to go there..

I don't want a high profile C prospect. Johansen would skew value too much. I'm fine with someone like Shore + 1st. Need the 1st. That way, they can supplement the position by getting a near roster player _and_ draft another high end prospect C in this draft. Getting both goes a long way in replenishing that position within the pipeline. While getting one better one likely doesn't allow that 1st to come along with it.


After all, a guy like Bjugstad was drafted 19th overall.

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Can someone please remind me why GMMG sent Sulzer over to buffalo on top of CoHo? I thought the CoHO for Kassian was more than fair for a dollar for dollar swap that filled the needs for both teams. It kind of sucks since Sulzer is actually producing and Gragnani is...well...gone.

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Can someone please remind me why GMMG sent Sulzer over to buffalo on top of CoHo? I thought the CoHO for Kassian was more than fair for a dollar for dollar swap that filled the needs for both teams. It kind of sucks since Sulzer is actually producing and Gragnani is...well...gone.
generally speaking, it's bad practice to keep a legit NHL contributor on your team as a spare. sulzer deserves to play in the NHL and it wasn't going to happen here. otherwise you're basically wade reddening him. whereas alberts is a fringe NHL guy and it's okay to keep him around as a #7.

grags was a high risk/high reward. but if sulzer had to go anyway, you might as well take that gamble on the off chance that he...

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Can someone please remind me why GMMG sent Sulzer over to buffalo on top of CoHo? I thought the CoHO for Kassian was more than fair for a dollar for dollar swap that filled the needs for both teams. It kind of sucks since Sulzer is actually producing and Gragnani is...well...gone.
Not sure who Sulzer replaces currently in our lineup

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Can someone please remind me why GMMG sent Sulzer over to buffalo on top of CoHo? I thought the CoHO for Kassian was more than fair for a dollar for dollar swap that filled the needs for both teams. It kind of sucks since Sulzer is actually producing and Gragnani is...well...gone.
AFAIK there was two separate deals: CoHo for Kassian and Sulzer for MAG

Still don't understand the trade other than maybe hoping MAG would be something better than Sulzer and knowing he was a rental and they wanted money off the books???

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They aren't playoff players
this is bad thinking. please fix it

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