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02-10-2013, 06:04 PM
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It's not the end of the world if they don't make the playoffs in this shortened season.
This is the difference between fans of a team like the Kings and fans of an 'elite' team year in and year out.

Fans of elite teams would never say 'its not the end of the world if our team doesn't make the playoffs.'

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02-10-2013, 06:06 PM
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Something less important, but why do networks still use purple to identify us? NBC's scoreboard graphic still had us in purple. Wasn't purple eliminated from our current team colors?
Did the Kings ditch their thirds? I thought the Kings still wore these:


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02-10-2013, 06:12 PM
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ha at least the Kings fans listen to me, many a Florida fan have pushed my thoughts aside b/c im only 16 and I apparently "don't know anything about hockey" even though I have been around hockey my entire life and have studied the game and certain plays as long as I can remember
I don't recall that at all; and I don't know that many knew you were 16. I can think of a few who may have been callous, but they're like that with me and others as well. We kinda liked having you around, I thought.

If Ellerby can keep playing those minutes and can play with guys like Doughty, he should improve. There were just guys ahead of him and something had to give. He's gonna make mistakes, but he'll learn.

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02-10-2013, 06:25 PM
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Something less important, but why do networks still use purple to identify us? NBC's scoreboard graphic still had us in purple. Wasn't purple eliminated from our current team colors?
I'm more surprised that NBC didn't confuse us with an inferior basketball team to the north of us...

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Did the Kings ditch their thirds? I thought the Kings still wore these:

Probably. They haven't worn that this season yet. Maybe there's a new third coming next season? But what would be the color? We're simply black and white now. Do we still have silver?

BTW, how do Canadians watch NBC games (not counting online)?

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02-10-2013, 06:31 PM
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Probably. They haven't worn that this season yet. Maybe there's a new third coming next season? But what would be the color? We're simply black and white now. Do we still have silver?

BTW, how do Canadians watch NBC games (not counting online)?
um...on NBC.

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02-10-2013, 06:32 PM
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um...on NBC.
Canada has NBC?

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02-10-2013, 06:32 PM
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Heartbreaker? More like ballbreaker. Still continue to be flummoxed as to how we have no offense.
Sorry, but this game we had offense, just we went up against a goalie who was crazy good. 99/100 we play like that we get four or five goals. Even the commentators said we should have had a number of goals, just Howard was unreal.

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...The Kings suck right now. Does last year even matter? No. As a matter of fact, it makes it even worst that we won last year and probably won't even make the playoffs...
Did you even watch the game? How did we suck? We totally outplayed the Wings most of the game, but Howard was great and Quick wasn't. And how are we 'probably' not making the playoffs? Plenty of games to go and if we play like that going forward we'll easily get in.

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I really don't expect to see Bernier tomorrow. Sutter seems to ride his number one after a Cup appearance. When the Flames went in 2004, the next season after the lockout Kiprusoff played 74 games.
If your backups were Phillippe Sauve and Brian Boucher (during his bad years) you'd roll with your starter a lot too. I think Boucher and Sauve had a combined save percentage of .875 that season.

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Overall we did great, but man we have no finishers at all.
On this game, I don't agree. Howard made some ridic saves today, the one on Brown in the first being a prime example.

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The last goal is on Stool. He's the winger on the play. So why the **** is he not covering Ericsson ? Doughty made the correct play. Stool should have been on the side wall to continue the chip out.
Totally agree. Stoll made no effort to even get out to the point until the puck went out there. He was playing low for some reason right from the faceoff.

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02-10-2013, 06:33 PM
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Probably. They haven't worn that this season yet. Maybe there's a new third coming next season? But what would be the color? We're simply black and white now. Do we still have silver?

BTW, how do Canadians watch NBC games (not counting online)?
on NBC.


By the way if goal scoring woes continue:

Carter - Kopitar - Nolan/Toffoli
Gagne - Richards - Williams
Clifford - Stoll - Brown
Richardson - Fraser - Lewis/Nolan

Load up the 1st line with Carter & Kopitar.

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02-10-2013, 06:44 PM
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i really like our centres as Kopitar, Carter, Richards and Stoll - play 3 good lines with evenish time and Stoll gets extra time with PK
Trouble is - how do we pick up a goal scoring winger that doesn't want paid too much
don't want to lose one of these centres, so we don't have much of value to trade and no 1st

Bernier, King and a 2014 1st (what/who could that fetch)

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02-10-2013, 06:48 PM
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i really like our centres as Kopitar, Carter, Richards and Stoll - play 3 good lines with evenish time and Stoll gets extra time with PK
Trouble is - how do we pick up a goal scoring winger that doesn't want paid too much
don't want to lose one of these centres, so we don't have much of value to trade and no 1st

Bernier, King and a 2014 1st (what/who could that fetch)
Only way to find a scoring winger that isn't paid much is to draft and develop one. If they're looking at one via trade, they'll have to move some salary to fit him in.

I'm thinking that they'll look for outside help this summer as they'll be clearing up quite a bit of cap space due to UFA departures.

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We looked very good for long stretches of this game and clearly our struggles are largely due to our missing Dmen.

I can't believe anyone is talking about us not making the playoffs. One its way too early to even have a clue how things will end up going and two we have made the playoffs the past three seasons and won the cup last year.

I know panicking and going off all knee jerk seems fun but it is also kind of sad. Losing sucks and is very frustrating but we aren't even close to being out of it at all yet and I still believe we will put things together and be fine heading into the playoffs.

That is all that matters.

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02-10-2013, 06:57 PM
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Doughty is now an NHL worst -10. Bad turnovers every game and zero offense.


Didn't Carolina miss the playoffs after winning the cup?
For some reason that is quite surprising to me. Trade him for JMFJ!!!

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02-10-2013, 07:02 PM
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Canada has NBC?
Yes we do. I believe its set up like a regional deal as well. Vancouver being close to Seattle would get the Seattle feed. Southern Ontario would get Detroit and so on. TSN2 in Canada shows randon NBC games from all over as well. I know where I live (interior of B.C.) we get EST american network too. Wall to wall hockey for sure.

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02-10-2013, 07:09 PM
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Well im glad sutter is pleased. on another note, that is completely unrelated, why is it so hard to find a college?
How are you looking? Have you spoken with your counselor and asked to give some direction on colleges to look at?

My two biggest mistakes when I was your age is I didn't know what I wanted to do, and I didn't utilize any additional resources. You seem to know what you want to do, so I suggest both asking your school counselor and possibly writing an e-mail to the Rochester Americans training staff and see if they can give you some direction/ideas.

Anyway, onto the game, it's definitely heartbreaking. I got home a bit later and only saw the second half of the game, but the Kings looked like they were in control. These collapses and defensive miscues HAVE to stop.

Either way, good on Howard for having a great game.

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This board and our negative fans disgust me. I'm gonna take a nap.
Exactly.

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I'm starting to agree with the Toffoli call up. Switch things up, make Mike Richards a healthy scratch or something
Scratch Richards? What a joke.

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Winning the Cup will do that to a fanbase.
No, being Kings fans will do that. That's the way this fanbase has been since 2002 on this forum.

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bringing up Tofolli and Vey signals the Season is over, and the Kings are not serious about making the playoff's

cause both of those guys are going to have ineffective games, they are going to make mistakes.

They are Rookies.
Bringing up rookies means we aren't serious about the playoffs? So we weren't serious when we brought up King and Nolan?

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Sometimes grinding it out isn't the answer.
It was the answer 16 times last playoff.

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So who's taking bets that the Kings will make Brian Elliott (or the Blues third string goalie) look like an all-star goalie tomorrow?
Halak was activated today.

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Exactly.



Scratch Richards? What a joke.



No, being Kings fans will do that. That's the way this fanbase has been since 2002 on this forum.



Bringing up rookies means we aren't serious about the playoffs? So we weren't serious when we brought up King and Nolan?



It was the answer 16 times last playoff.



Halak was activated today.
When you throw those two young guns into the TOP SIX and say "Save our season" (like the posters on this board want).

Yes that's saying the season is over. Cause that means Management has ZERO faith in the current top Six to turn around the scoring woes.

And if Tofolli ,Vey is the only answer....Well Columbus enjoy that Top five pick.

King and Nolan were brought for size and Energy, they were not asked to save the season.

Or solve the Kings scoring woes.

What solved the Kings scoring problems last season, was the Top six playing like a Top Six.

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You're right. I am not a fan. I originally liked the trade and appreciated his contribution in the playoffs after a poor season, but come on, look how much money he is making and is going to make. Richards salary this year was 8 million, you think he is an $8 million player?

I have no issues with him as a 3rd line center, but with a cap hit close to $6 for the next 7 years, I think if someone made an offer the Kings would be dumb not to take it. How many 3rd line players are making that much money?

I know he is a favorite of yours, but come on, the Kings traded for and took on that massive deal expecting something close to the 07-10 version of MR, not a 3rd line center.
Didnt you have the same gripe with Ryan Smyth? Too much money, cap space, the dude sucks and is over paid for what he contributes...

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And for people wondering about the Datsyuk goal:



Not that it really matters considering the Kings tied it up and had plenty of other chances to blow the Wings out, but I was curious when I saw it live and on replay...
I'm glad i wasnt the only one who saw it as offside. Home ice call for sure.

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The other thing is, When was the last time the Wings had a losing record at home ?

15 years ago ?

They are really tough to beat in Hockey Town. Just like Minnesota never seems to lose at their barn ether.

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02-10-2013, 07:42 PM
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Some of the mentioned get criticized a lot on here (Brown), while others (Richards, Williams) never..
LOL! You need to just stop right now. Your posts are just getting more and more absurd by the moment

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Thought we played really well today.

Love the new lines. Awesome creativity by Sutter.

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I've seen this game before. Kings dominate the old folks home over there in Detroit, tie it, then promptly give up another goal.

Anyone remember this?

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I've seen this game before. Kings dominate the old folks home over there in Detroit, tie it, then promptly give up another goal.

Anyone remember this?
Quite reminiscent of their game against the Oilers not too long ago. The Kings find ways to disappoint us.

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Didnt you have the same gripe with Ryan Smyth? Too much money, cap space, the dude sucks and is over paid for what he contributes...
Diffent situations. Smyth was a ridiculously poor short sighted trade for a player who was grossly overpaid, had no upside and was actually on the decline.

I don't fault Lombardi for the Richards trade, the Kings could not go another season with Stool as the #2 center, and they didn't want to wait for Schenn to develop (if he ever did), so the trade made a ton of sense. I don't know if DL made the trade expecting the 08 version of Richards or the 2011 one, but I know he certainly didn't make the trade thinking MR would be struggling to hold down a 2nd line spot.

If MR is a 3rd liner going forward that's ok, the issue is the Kings will need to find a 2nd liner to replace him, and one who isn't expensive since our 3rd line C will have the cap hit of a 1st or very good 2nd line center.

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