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Which defenseman would you rather have for a cup run?

View Poll Results: Which defenseman do you want on your team for a playoff push?
Chara 169 58.28%
Weber 47 16.21%
Karlsson 62 21.38%
Other 12 4.14%
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02-10-2013, 05:51 PM
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I'd much rather have two of the most physical defenseman in the league when it comes to playoff time. Not only that but Chara and Weber are leaders on there respective teams that have been in the playoffs. Karlesson is so overrated.
Chara is the overrated one. I would bet money that I've seen him play more games than you have. And I've seen more Karlsson play more games than you have.

Karlsson is the superior player who can match up against any type of player. Chara has problems with quick shifty forwards.

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Chara is the overrated one. I would bet money that I've seen him play more games than you have. And I've seen more Karlsson play more games than you have.

Karlsson is the superior player who can match up against any type of player. Chara has problems with quick shifty forwards.
Doubt you've seen Chara more than Bruins fans in the last 8 years. Karlsson has played at the top level for a short amount of time. Kalsson's strength is the transition game, for which there's no evidence of immunity to a defensive system.

Chara has won a cup but it doesn't mean very much as he has had many chances at it, never mind that winning is a team game. It's easy to guess how Karlsson would do in the playoffs, but he has to actually do what we think he can do. Chara is my answer.

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02-10-2013, 06:09 PM
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From a team with a greater need for offense from the back end more than shut down guy I'll say Karlsson. Its really between him and Chara I believe, depending on a teams needs. Salvador really came through last playoffs scoring more goals in the playoffs than the whole regular season and it helped the team immensely.

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Chara of course.

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02-10-2013, 06:38 PM
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Doubt you've seen Chara more than Bruins fans in the last 8 years.
Why are you picking some arbitrary number of years?

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Karlsson has played at the top level for a short amount of time.
So? Chara's been around for a long time. Does that mean that he's regressing now?

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Kalsson's strength is the transition game, for which there's no evidence of immunity to a defensive system.
Karlsson doesn't have one strength. He has many. He is strong at winning the puck in corners. He's strong at getting the puck on net. He's strong at stripping attackers of the puck. And his strength at the transition game is that he can skate around the opposition and he can consistently put a perfect tape to tape pass on the stick of a rushing forward.

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Chara has won a cup but it doesn't mean very much as he has had many chances at it, never mind that winning is a team game. It's easy to guess how Karlsson would do in the playoffs, but he has to actually do what we think he can do. Chara is my answer.
Karlsson has been consistently excellent in the playoffs. Chara has not.

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02-10-2013, 06:38 PM
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Chara's play is a lot weaker than it was when the Bruins won the Cup. The Pacioretty hit has really changed him.

Karlsson is a beast on skates so I'd take him.

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Chara... he single handedly made Ottawa relevant post lockout before he was traded, what makes you think he wasn't a major part of Boston winning the cup?


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Chara's play is a lot weaker than it was when the Bruins won the Cup. The Pacioretty hit has really changed him.

Karlsson is a beast on skates so I'd take him.
The Pacioretty hit was before the Bruins won the cup

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Chara is the overrated one. I would bet money that I've seen him play more games than you have. And I've seen more Karlsson play more games than you have.

Karlsson is the superior player who can match up against any type of player. Chara has problems with quick shifty forwards.
How many Bruins games do you watch?

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How many Bruins games do you watch?
If you want a non biased response, he's not the person to talk to. He called Karlsson god in an earlier thread

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How many Bruins games do you watch?
Enough. And Chara's career didn't begin with the Bruins.

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The Pacioretty hit was before the Bruins won the cup
Ah, my bad. Still don't think he was as good as he was, but he's proven he can win the Cup as a #1 dman since the hit. My bad.

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Chara... he single handedly made Ottawa relevant post lockout before he was traded
There's so much wrong with this post.

To start off, Chara wasn't traded. He was let go in favor of Wade Redden to free agency due to the incompetence of John Muckler.

Secondly, he didn't single-handedly make the Sens relevant. Not even close. Sure, he was a good #1 defenseman in the league, but he wasn't even the best Senator. The entire Pizza Line was the talk around the league with the Sens. Alfie was a 40G+, 100P+, Selke nomination player. Heatley was a young 50G, 100P player. Spezza was an elite #1 center.

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Chara cant control an entire game like Karlsson.
I love how "controlling the game" is some thing that only young guys can do, not vets like Chara

Please... Chara knows more about the game right now than Karlsson probably ever will

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I'd much rather have two of the most physical defenseman in the league when it comes to playoff time. Not only that but Chara and Weber are leaders on there respective teams that have been in the playoffs. Karlesson is so overrated.
And people act like Chara isnt great offensively too... Oh please

Hardest slapshot, and pretty incredible vision and passing. He is so big and hard to knock off the puck that he can actually bring it into the zone pretty well too

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Chara only because he has actually won a cup and was a large reason why his team won the cup. I'd rather have Karlsson on my team in the regular season though.

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Chara's play is a lot weaker than it was when the Bruins won the Cup. The Pacioretty hit has really changed him.

Karlsson is a beast on skates so I'd take him.
Yeah, that hit that happened before the Cup run really hurt him.

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Chara for sure..

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What was so moronic about it? you *don't sign* Chara because you think Redden was better, you end up trading both and sens take a nosedive in the standings while the Bruins win the cup with kelly and chara being big help. That's the truth isn't it?
you end up trading both? What? What are you even talking about?

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Actually he's right.
As good as those 3 players are Boston has a lot of depth on their team and would still be very good.

Same thing with Nashville and Ottawa, these are not one trick pony teams that would fall to the bottom of the league just like that with those single players out.

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As good as those 3 players are Boston has a lot of depth on their team and would still be very good.

Same thing with Nashville and Ottawa, these are not one trick pony teams that would fall to the bottom of the league just like that with those single players out.
List ottawa's D without Karlsson. Don't include LTIR players. Tell me that team would be good.1,2,3 Go.

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Offense dries up in the playoffs. Teams are line matching hard and studying lots of game tape, which is why depth becomes so valuable in the playoffs relative to the regular season.

Karlsson is the kind of player that is more immune to those kinds of match-ups than others, by virtue of his position.

Yea, the Bruins won a cup. That doesn't mean that in every thread all of their players are individually better than other players who haven't won a cup. It's horrendous logic that seems to pervade nearly every sports discussion ever. Boston fans should know better, having seen Ray Bourque go cup-less for 21 seasons despite being one of the best players in the game.
Wait, Karlsson is immune to certain match-ups "by virtue of his position." Don't Chara and Weber play the same position?




Karlsson looked like a very good defensemen in the playoffs last season, but only contributed a single point. Certainly not a 'generational offensive defensemen' as I've heard him called over the past 12 months.

The physicality that Chara and Weber bring in a four round, best of seven tournament can't be ignored. For a single game seven it isn't as large of a factor, but over the course of potentially 28 games, it matters.

Karlsson has yet to prove he can play both ends of the ice effectively in the playoffs. The one season he contributed offensively, he was a wreak defensively. Last year he played good defense, and was held to a single point in seven games.

To me, it comes down to Chara vs. Weber until Karlsson proves he can play both ends effectively.

I'd probably go with Chara for the extra size, as the extras that Weber brings doesn't make up for it in my mind.

Now, Karlsson is young, and has more room to develop than Weber or Chara. So in the future it could change. But currently? I'll take the proven guy with unmatched size and great physicality.

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I love how "controlling the game" is some thing that only young guys can do, not vets like Chara

Please... Chara knows more about the game right now than Karlsson probably ever will
It has nothing to do with age. The only other players than have the ability to control a game like Karlsson are Crosby and Malkin.

Karlsson at 22 is better than Chara has ever been.

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Karlsson? I've seen ten rookies this year who are miles better in their own end than he is. Maybe as a specialist, but he'd get crushed as a number one in a long playoff run.

Easily Chara.

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